bernadeau play by play vs chargers

[jblaze2004]

again not by me...found on BTB

Also mentions some blocks by Arkin

1st and 10, swing pass, The defensive end and tackle stunt, Bernadeau is slow to pick up the stunt and the defensive end beats him to the inside, if this play was not a quick pass ( perhaps Romo picks up the missed block and dumps the ball) Romo would have had pressure right up the middle.

2nd and 2 Dal 22, Run right, behind Bernadeau, Good leverage turns the defensive tackle outside, not a dominating block but effective, there is the smallest of a lane but He and Arkin get it done,

1st and 10 Dal 27, Drop back pass, the DT pushes Bernadeau back into the pocket and almost gets a hand on Romo’s pass, Free is marching to the beat of his own drum, he fires off and goes downfield to pick up Phillips, the right side of the line is not on the same page,

2nd and 5 Dal 32, draw, the defensive tackle punches Bernadeau and shrugs him to the side, he is almost standing in front of Murray when the handoff is made, Murray makes a play and gets a few yards. It is a draw and Romo does not sell it very well, the tackle reads the play quickly, not all Bernadeaus fault,

1st and 10 Dal 37, swing pass to Murray, Bernie is in a fight with this tackle, the two fight hard at the line but Bernie wins this bout, does not allow the tackle into the pocket.

2nd and 1 Dal 46 run off center, Bernadeau pancakes his guy, not a lot of push but when the tackle tries to slip off the block he is driven into the turf hard,

1st and 10 Dal 48, play action pass, Dallas is showing run and throwing to Dez in single coverage, Bernadeau can not go to far from the line of scrimmage and sets up to block a linebacker but no one ever takes the invite, He has no one to block.

2nd and 10 Dal 48, run play, Bernadeau slips into the second level and picks up a linebacker, The play is blown up in the backfield so there seems to be little effort by the linebacker, Bernie did his job,

3rd and 14 Dal 44, Chargers come with a four man rush, Free, Bernadeau and Arkin switch off stunting linemen in an execution of beauty, Punt

1st and 10 Dal 39, Drop back pass, Bernadeau gets his hands on the chest of the defensive tackle and stones him on the line,

2nd and 2 Dal 47, Bernadeau gets to Spikes the Charges middle linebacker, he gets the angle and does his job, Arkin is called for holding, Arkins guys is being blocked and tries to turn and Arkin just continues the block, he is not holding,

2nd and 12 Dal 37, shotgun pass, Bernadeau and Arkin double the defensive tackle and stone him at the line, Jones is supposed to release into a pattern when there is not a blitz but he runs into the butt of Arkin, what is wrong with Felix Jones, is his vision so bad he cant see two O-linemen blocking in front of him? He has several HUGE lanes to release into his rout but runs straight into the linemen?

1st and 10 Oak 49, drop back pass, Romo gets flushed, Bernadeau has his guy locked up at the line and when Romo rolls out Bernadeau loses his man who pursues Romo,

2nd and 10 Oak 49, Run off Bernadeau’s right shoulder, Bernadeau gets to the second level and drives the linebacker straight back, his guy makes the tackle but it’s after a six yard run, Arkin makes a devastating pancake block on the defensive tackle, Arkin is getting some confidence,

3rd and 4 Oak 43, shotgun pass, swing pass to Jones, Bernadeau gets bull rushed back into Romo,

4th and 1 Oak 40, shotgun pass, slant to Dez, Bernadeau locks his guy up at the line of scrimmage, his guy is unable to get off block or move Bernadeau, Arkin gets bull rushed back into Romo,

1st and 10 Oak 30, penalty on Arkin downfield, Bernadeau holds his block for several seconds and then his guy beats him inside to put pressure on Romo, Romo dumps the ball off,

1st and 15 Oak 35, draw play to Jones, Bernadeau gets to the second level and seals off the linebacker creating a large hole, Jones falls down untouched, this might be a td if he doesn’t fall down,

2nd and 8 Oak 28, stones the defensive tackle at the line,

1st and 10 Oak 17, Run off Bernadeau’s left shoulder, Bernadeau turns the tackle and shields him out of the play,

2nd and 5 Oak 12, Dez almost catch, There is a stunt and Bernadeau picks up Shawn Phillips and punches him and knocks him back a few yards, Phillips takes a long loop around the opposite side of the line, Arkin gets called for holding, ummmmmm there is no holding not even close to holding, as a matter of fact it cant even be mistaken for holding, refs

2nd and 15 Oak 22, shotgun pass, Bernadeau and Free do a good job of passing off blocks and maintaining a clean pocket,

3rd and 15 Oak 22, shotgun pass, again Bernadeau. Free and Arkin pass off blocks maintaining a clean pocket, Chargers are stunting like crazy and the line is doing well, Field goal,

Bernadeau is not really driving guys, maybe a lack of lower body strength? He is turning them and moving well, he gets to the second level and makes blocks, would like to see him pull or run more screens, He is good at creating lanes and maintaining a pocket, He riminds me of a slighly more mobile Gurode,

 

[CoCo]

I remember watching the bolded play a couple times over. I think it was a very ticky-tack call but to suggest there is nothing remotely like a hold is a bit exaggerated IMO.

 

[Nova]

Good stuff overall. There is improvement for sure. Seems like these guys will be fine with more time together. Not great, but fine.

 

[Hoofbite]

2nd and 1 Dal 46 run off center, Bernadeau pancakes his guy, not a lot of push but when the tackle tries to slip off the block he is driven into the turf hard,

This is entirely wrong. This is one of 3 plays I posted about in another thread.

Bernadeau does not pancake him at all. The defender holds Bernadeau up and then separates to dive at the legs of Murray. Bernadeau ends up going to the ground with the guy and landing on him but the DT still makes the tackle. Franklin played the play perfectly. Stood Bernadeau up at the line, created enough space at the right moment and made the tackle.

 

[burmafrd]

This is entirely wrong. This is one of 3 plays I posted about in another thread.

Bernadeau does not pancake him at all. The defender holds Bernadeau up and then separates to dive at the legs of Murray. Bernadeau ends up going to the ground with the guy and landing on him but the DT still makes the tackle. Franklin played the play perfectly. Stood Bernadeau up at the line, created enough space at the right moment and made the tackle.

yeah I believe this came from musiccitynorm on BTB; I have found mistakes like that before in his reviews of Oline players.

 

[Hoofbite]

yeah I believe this came from musiccitynorm on BTB; I have found mistakes like that before in his reviews of Oline players.

It's a pretty messy looking play in terms of getting a clean view of what Bernie is doing but if you look at the play, DT Franklin clearly makes the tackle.

Another play he mentions that Romo doesn't sell the draw real well and that's why Bernie isn't at complete fault for getting whipped at the line. I don't buy that.

And the last play that I specifically talked about was the play where Mack gets to the second level on Spikes but does a poor job of blocking him and Spikes made the tackle. The guy at BTB says the tackle comes after a 6 yard gain but I'm not sure why that's important. It's not like Bernie drove Spikes back from the line of scrimmage. If it was a 6 yard run, Spikes stepped up and met Mack around 2 yards, wrapped Jones up at 4 yards and momentum carried the play the rest of the way.

I'm not trying to say that Bernadeau did horribly but these are 3 plays that I specifically posted about in another thread. Other than these three plays, I think he did a solid job.

 

[AsthmaField]

This is entirely wrong. This is one of 3 plays I posted about in another thread.

Bernadeau does not pancake him at all. The defender holds Bernadeau up and then separates to dive at the legs of Murray. Bernadeau ends up going to the ground with the guy and landing on him but the DT still makes the tackle. Franklin played the play perfectly. Stood Bernadeau up at the line, created enough space at the right moment and made the tackle.

Well, that makes me question every play the guy writes about. If he blows sunshine on that one, he probably is on all of them.

 

[21Savage]

This is entirely wrong. This is one of 3 plays I posted about in another thread.

Bernadeau does not pancake him at all. The defender holds Bernadeau up and then separates to dive at the legs of Murray. Bernadeau ends up going to the ground with the guy and landing on him but the DT still makes the tackle. Franklin played the play perfectly. Stood Bernadeau up at the line, created enough space at the right moment and made the tackle.

He "sticks with the block" and that's why Franklin ended up on the ground. Although it wasn't a true pancake, Franklin didn't just dive at the legs of Murray because he could. He did what he had to do to make a tackle and that's reach while a 330 lb man is sticking to his block. This turned into a pancake after the tackle was made.

I saw your previous post and it's pretty silly to put this play as a minus for Bernadeau. Even the all pro guards (Nicks, Mankins etc) wouldn't have made a better play single blocking a NT. What you really preach is for Linemen not to get shed, and hold on to their blocks like that hoping that your RB can break an "arm tackle".

I saw your whole write up. You seem to believe that guards in this league are capable of single handedly moving DTs out the way in face to face blocks. This is quite ridiculous.

 

[Hoofbite]

He "sticks with the block" and that's why Franklin ended up on the ground. Although it wasn't a true pancake, Franklin didn't just dive at the legs of Murray because he could. He did what he had to do to make a tackle and that's reach while a 330 lb man is sticking to his block. This turned into a pancake after the tackle was made.

After the tackle was made? The plays over, who cares what happens or what it is called what after the tackle was made?

Of course Franklin did what he had to, who said otherwise? I said he created enough separation to make the play.

Is that incorrect?

I saw your previous post and it's pretty silly to put this play as a minus for Bernadeau. Even the all pro guards (Nicks, Mankins etc) wouldn't have made a better play single blocking a NT. What you really preach is for Linemen not to get shed, and hold on to their blocks like that hoping that your RB can break an "arm tackle".

So nobody in the NFL could have blocked that better? Not a single player? If that's as good as it can possibly get, it's a shocker that teams would even ask a OG to attempt it.

I saw your whole write up. You seem to believe that guards in this league are capable of single handedly moving DTs out the way in face to face blocks. This is quite ridiculous.

My previous post was refuting the idea that the guy Mack locks onto never makes the play.

Is it also ridiculous to ask him to single handedly move a LB out of the way because there was an instance when he couldn't get that done either.

 

[gimmesix]

I remember watching the bolded play a couple times over. I think it was a very ticky-tack call but to suggest there is nothing remotely like a hold is a bit exaggerated IMO.

Agree. At least two of the holds by Arkin were called because he had a grip on the player between the shoulder pads and when the defender tried to pull away the ref could see his grasp. It wasn't much different than most linemen do except that he didn't stay in front of the defender so it showed.

 

[Rack]

Ok of the 2 holding calls against Arkin, one of them was DEFINITELY a hold. Whoever wrote this is making it out like neither were holds but one of them was a hold, no doubt.

 

[gimmesix]

1st and 15 Oak 35, draw play to Jones, Bernadeau gets to the second level and seals off the linebacker creating a large hole, Jones falls down untouched, this might be a td if he doesn’t fall down.

This writer seems to have it out for Felix. A lineman or linebacker tripped up Jones as he headed through this large hole causing him to stumble. It would have been a huge gain if he could have regained his balance, but he was definitely not untouched.

 

[21Savage]

After the tackle was made? The plays over, who cares what happens or what it is called what after the tackle was made?

Of course Franklin did what he had to, who said otherwise? I said he created enough separation to make the play.

Is that incorrect?

That's correct. Murray also got the 1st down on that play; the most important fact and one you seem to be glossing over. There are blocking schemes designed to pick up short yardage with man to man blocking as long as your blocker isn't weak and a complete liability. That was one of them.



So nobody in the NFL could have blocked that better? Not a single player? If that's as good as it can possibly get, it's a shocker that teams would even ask a OG to attempt it.


It was a block designed for short yardage. I don't like speaking in absolutes but I can almost guarantee you that better guards in this league wouldn't have gotten more movement from that position and against that particular NT. This is a guy who moves trucks for his workouts and has won smalltime strong man competitions. There are a lot of better guards in this league but not a lot that are stronger. This much was apparent when I watched is run blocking with Carolina in 2010 and 2011



My previous post was refuting the idea that the guy Mack locks onto never makes the play.

In the idea that the Dlineman would've been trying to stop a play of a 1st down then yes he doesn't make the play.

Is it also ridiculous to ask him to single handedly move a LB out of the way because there was an instance when he couldn't get that done either

LBs are moving targets and every guard in the league would miss on them from time to time. There would also be times where they move LBs out of the way once they get in the right position.

Here's an evaluation from someone who you would definitely call unbiased and a non-homer.


"in watching Bernadeau on Saturday night, I was quite pleased. He is a very strong man and able to stay in front of his assignment. He also handles stunts well and gets to the second level to dig out a linebacker on running plays after being a part of a combo block at the line. He looks pretty secure at RG and now we await the return of Nate Livings at LG. If he can equal Bernadeau and just become a solid guy who does his job and you don't have to worry about him each play, the OL can be back in business and the center will look better just because those around him are better, too."


http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/0...nding_cowboys.html?blockID=778137&feedID=9348


I'll be the first to admit that I don't always agree with Sturm's point of view but at least he's done enough game evaluations to have his expectation of guard play to be "stay in front of your man" and not "single-handedly bulldoze your man out of the play". It was years ago I had this perception until I consistently saw the best guards in the league (the Nickses, Grubbs and Mankinses) get jerked or pushed back at the LOS by the Hatchers, Ratliffs and Lissemore's of the world.

 

[21Savage]

Btw, I just went back and looked at the other 2 plays you referred to.

Your take: On Murray's 2nd run of the game, the defender shucks Bernie and if not for a great move by DeMarco, it's a 3 yard loss.

13:28 left in the 1st quarter; 1st and 10 from Dallas' 32.

This is an obvious draw play and you can tell Mack starts by taking steps back in pass pro in order to sell the pass. The DT reads the draw and is too advance up the field, making Murray have to bounce the run. Bernadeau did nothing wrong on this play. It's the risk you take in calling a draw. You either catch them off guard on you can potentially be tackled for a big loss.


Your take: On the second drive right after Beasly's catch, Mack comes out of his stance and gets a free run at Spikes a few yards upfield. Felix is following but Spikes simply shoves Mack in the chest, separating enough to make the tackle.

6:03 left in the 1st; 2nd and 10 from the Sandiego 49.

Mack gets to the 2nd level and engages with Spikes 3 yards down the field. Spikes is able to disengage (moving backwards) and get in on the tackle 6 yards down the field to cause a 3rd and 4. Did you really expect a better play from any guard in this league in this circumstance? This was a straight up block and not one where the lineman gets position on the LB and shields for a long run. You sincerely have unrealistic expectations of guard play in the NFL.

 

[Hoofbite]

That's correct. Murray also got the 1st down on that play; the most important fact and one you seem to be glossing over. There are blocking schemes designed to pick up short yardage with man to man blocking as long as your blocker isn't weak and a complete liability. That was one of them.

It was a block designed for short yardage. I don't like speaking in absolutes but I can almost guarantee you that better guards in this league wouldn't have gotten more movement from that position and against that particular NT. This is a guy who moves trucks for his workouts and has won smalltime strong man competitions. There are a lot of better guards in this league but not a lot that are stronger. This much was apparent when I watched is run blocking with Carolina in 2010 and 2011]

Designed for short yardage?

Had Bernie's block been designed for normal yardage or big yardage, suddenly he holds Franklin up more effectively? Yeah, that's it. Had Bernie been instructed to do so, Franklin wouldn't have been able to make the play at all.

Here's the part where Franklin makes the play. If Murray gets through, it's guaranteed more yardage and possibly a big play. A short conversion being
made doesn't do anything to negate the prevention of a big play that would have occurred without that tackle.

As far as strength goes, it's only a piece of the puzzle. Dontari Poe should be unblockable this year. Betcha he won't be because he lacks good technique.

In the idea that the Dlineman would've been trying to stop a play of a 1st down then yes he doesn't make the play.

You're saying the only way he could have made a play is to have prevented a first down? I wonder how you classify a DL getting blown off the ball but eventually making the tackle 9 yards down the field on 1st and 10. No first down gained........must have made the play.

LBs are moving targets and every guard in the league would miss on them from time to time. There would also be times where they move LBs out of the way once they get in the right position.

What does this have to do with the play against Spikes? None of this happened.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't always agree with Sturm's point of view but at least he's done enough game evaluations to have his expectation of guard play to be "stay in front of your man" and not "single-handedly bulldoze your man out of the play". It was years ago I had this perception until I consistently saw the best guards in the league (the Nickses, Grubbs and Mankinses) get jerked or pushed back at the LOS by the Hatchers, Ratliffs and Lissemore's of the world.

I don't know why you are even mentioning Sturm. I said the guy had some positives in the game and that I was surprised. I'm not saying he absolutely couldn't do anything. I'm saying on these particular plays he could have done better.

 

[Hoofbite]

Btw, I just went back and looked at the other 2 plays you referred to.

Your take: On Murray's 2nd run of the game, the defender shucks Bernie and if not for a great move by DeMarco, it's a 3 yard loss.

13:28 left in the 1st quarter; 1st and 10 from Dallas' 32.

This is an obvious draw play and you can tell Mack starts by taking steps back in pass pro in order to sell the pass. The DT reads the draw and is too advance up the field, making Murray have to bounce the run. Bernadeau did nothing wrong on this play. It's the risk you take in calling a draw. You either catch them off guard on you can potentially be tackled for a big loss.


Your take: On the second drive right after Beasly's catch, Mack comes out of his stance and gets a free run at Spikes a few yards upfield. Felix is following but Spikes simply shoves Mack in the chest, separating enough to make the tackle.

6:03 left in the 1st; 2nd and 10 from the Sandiego 49.

Mack gets to the 2nd level and engages with Spikes 3 yards down the field. Spikes is able to disengage (moving backwards) and get in on the tackle 6 yards down the field to cause a 3rd and 4. Did you really expect a better play from any guard in this league in this circumstance? This was a straight up block and not one where the lineman gets position on the LB and shields for a long run. You sincerely have unrealistic expectations of guard play in the NFL.

Figure out the quote function.

Deleting my statements from your posts and fixing all the tags is almost a part time job.

Oh, and please refer to the OP of that thread where he said once Bernie locks on his man does not make the play.

Maybe a little context of the discussion will help.

 

[Risen Star]

This is entirely wrong. This is one of 3 plays I posted about in another thread.

Bernadeau does not pancake him at all. The defender holds Bernadeau up and then separates to dive at the legs of Murray. Bernadeau ends up going to the ground with the guy and landing on him but the DT still makes the tackle. Franklin played the play perfectly. Stood Bernadeau up at the line, created enough space at the right moment and made the tackle.

This is why I never ever take fan play breakdown seriously.

 

[21Savage]

This is why I never ever take fan play breakdown seriously.

But you're a sworn disciple of Bob Sturm. What do you think of his evaluation?

 

[21Savage]

Designed for short yardage?

Had Bernie's block been designed for normal yardage or big yardage, suddenly he holds Franklin up more effectively? Yeah, that's it. Had Bernie been instructed to do so, Franklin wouldn't have been able to make the play at all.

No, the blocking scheme would have been designed for such a play. At the most basic level, a combination block designed to move the NT out of the way with a guard or center getting off to seal off a LB at the second level. Maybe some misdirection. Do you even realize that at the snap, Mack was lined up to the right of the NT and had to reach across his face to make that block? No blocking scheme realistically expects a guard to make a reach block then push the NT backwards a few yards. Your football acumen is really coming into question on this one.


Here's the part where Franklin makes the play. If Murray gets through, it's guaranteed more yardage and possibly a big play. A short conversion being
made doesn't do anything to negate the prevention of a big play that would have occurred without that tackle.

A NT makes a 1 yard stop on 2nd and 9, he gestures pounding his chest, awaiting a 3rd down play. A NT does it on 3rd and 1 and gets up seemingly dejected. There's a difference there that you have to figure out.

As far as strength goes, it's only a piece of the puzzle. Dontari Poe should be unblockable this year. Betcha he won't be because he lacks good technique.

You're not making a point here. I'm telling you that strength is not the question; this is what I was illustrating. Nicks against Rat won't push him back any more than he would Poe in this instance. So expecting a guard to do that is unrealistic.

You're saying the only way he could have made a play is to have prevented a first down? I wonder how you classify a DL getting blown off the ball but eventually making the tackle 9 yards down the field on 1st and 10. No first down gained........must have made the play.

This is a caricature of an analogy Lol. Refer to my post above please.

I mean, we're trying to get better at short yardage as a team. Who knew that if we converted 90% of our 3rd and 4th and 1s this year for an average of 2ypc we would still be a disappointment in Hoofbite's eyes. Only if the team knew how far they have to go to be taken seriously.

What does this have to do with the play against Spikes? None of this happened.

The play against Spikes would be defined as a good block by a guard getting to the 2nd level. We can seek a 2nd opinion because I don't know how else I can convince you of this.

I don't know why you are even mentioning Sturm. I said the guy had some positives in the game and that I was surprised. I'm not saying he absolutely couldn't do anything. I'm saying on these particular plays he could have done better.

He failed to pick up the first stunt of the game. I'm telling you that there were mistakes made but the plays you picked were bad examples. Honestly.