Big 3 extensions, yes or no

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We have a big 3 to re-sign and I don't think they can afford to do all three deals. So IMO, 1 of 3 is the odd man out. Who's it going to be?

I know if we take a poll about extending Dak it's probably 50/50 if we should or shouldn't. And I completely understand both sides of the coin, I really do. But I'll go on record and say that I think we probably should extend him. Not because he's great and can carry this team to a SB ring. But because he's good enough to lead a good team to one. And the fact is we just don't have anyone close to his abilities to replace him with. I for one am not ready for a stretch of losing seasons while we try to find another quality QB in the draft or deal with signing aging vets as place holders until we do. I just hope they can get him to "not play for $" as he said. He needs to sign a reasonable contract, but leave some on the table so they have some $ leftover to sign other much needed players.

I think you have to sign Micah 100%. I know he hasn't been able to stay dominate through an entire season yet and that his contract will be absolutely ridiculous, but IMHO, his potential to be one of the all time great pass rushers is far too high to just let him walk out the door. Could you imagine if they let him go and he becomes a player far better than he already is? One most people think he most likely will be? You don't let all time greats out the door. Get the deal done and pray he stays healthy and hungry to prove he's worth it.

CeDe Lamb is also up for what is probably going to be an insanely expensive extension. And as great as he is, I'm not sure we should be the team who is signing him to that kind of deal. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome and has proven he can be the #1 and I absolutely want him on this team. But I'm not willing to lose basically all the top supporting cast players to keep him. Not when you dive deeper into the reality of the future.
I'm basing this take off of just two things:
1. Is the fact that WR, as a whole, seems to be one of the strongest position groups coming out of the draft almost every single year. Is it really worth paying a guy $150mil+ when you can replace him with a great WR but on a 5 year rookie deal? I know he'd most likely be better than any rookie, but how much better? $30M+/yr better?
2. If they sign him to a monster 5 year extension, that many think could be worth up to $175M, w/$135M guaranteed, he maybe worth it for the first year, two or three. But, history has shown us time and again that almost all WR's start to fall off (after their second contracts) as they approach age 30. And even though he's currently only 25, the reality is that he's going to start declining, most likely within the next couple/three years. Do you really want this team to lose out on several key free agents and instead be paying a declining WR 35+million dollars 3 or 4 years from now? I don't, and as much as it would hurt them/us/me to let him walk, he's the odd man out IMHO.
 

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CDL and Parsons are no brainers.

I think with Dak they want to keep him, but it'll come down to how talks go with France.
If Dak says get it done, and don't go for the killshot deal then I think they'll wrap it up.

Posters get too wrapped up into AAV numbers.
Look at Jeffersons numbers this and next couple of years.
This year was the 5th year tender at ~17-18mil
Gets re-signed.

Now his cap hit for 2024 is 8mil
2025 is 15mil
2026 it shoots up to 38mil, which is when he'll get restructured as his base jumps to 24.9mil and an option bonus of 6mil. 31 mil can be restructured.

Nick Bosa signed a 30mil AAV deal.
2023 cap hit(year 1) was 11mil
2024 cap hit(year 2) 14.67 mil
2025 cap hit(year 3) 20.5mil

These are all very reasonable cap hits. All 3 can definitely be kept.

By 2025/26 the cap will shoot up even more and 30mil/35mil AAVs will pale to the next big deal offered to edge/WRs.
 

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Daks the clear odd man out.

Already had 1 big contract and Jerry got burned on it.
Jerry has been burned on every contract since 1995 if your talking about winning..you really think he see things this way? you have WAY more faith in 81 year old Jerry turning a corner than you should...would'nt you think if he has really "Figured it out" the first move would have been a real GM?
 

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Jerry has been burned on every contract since 1995 if your talking about winning..you really think he see things this way? you have WAY more faith in 81 year old Jerry turning a corner than you should...would'nt you think if he has really "Figured it out" the first move would have been a real GM?
When’s he been burned twice by the same guy?
 

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yeah he has written several second and third contracts since 1995...you think Dak is the only player to get a second contract since 1995? or third?
Name the players that have burned Jerry twice.

By burned I mean getting a 2nd large contract and continue being a bum.

You're trying to twist it and ignore the “burned” part of the statement.
 

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Name the players that have burned Jerry twice.

By burned I mean getting a 2nd large contract and continue being a bum.

You're trying to twist it and ignore the “burned” part of the statement.
you cant be serious if by "Burned" you mean winning a championship .. you name the players that have not burned him since 1995? like Dak dont like Dak i dont care ..Jerry has paid other guys and NONE of them have won...maybe the problem isnt the players...Are you saying Jerry has never payed another player top money at his position and they didnt win a title? if you have a "Dak only " definition of burn then by all means lets hear it...
 

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We have a big 3 to re-sign and I don't think they can afford to do all three deals. So IMO, 1 of 3 is the odd man out. Who's it going to be?

I know if we take a poll about extending Dak it's probably 50/50 if we should or shouldn't. And I completely understand both sides of the coin, I really do. But I'll go on record and say that I think we probably should extend him. Not because he's great and can carry this team to a SB ring. But because he's good enough to lead a good team to one. And the fact is we just don't have anyone close to his abilities to replace him with. I for one am not ready for a stretch of losing seasons while we try to find another quality QB in the draft or deal with signing aging vets as place holders until we do. I just hope they can get him to "not play for $" as he said. He needs to sign a reasonable contract, but leave some on the table so they have some $ leftover to sign other much needed players.

I think you have to sign Micah 100%. I know he hasn't been able to stay dominate through an entire season yet and that his contract will be absolutely ridiculous, but IMHO, his potential to be one of the all time great pass rushers is far too high to just let him walk out the door. Could you imagine if they let him go and he becomes a player far better than he already is? One most people think he most likely will be? You don't let all time greats out the door. Get the deal done and pray he stays healthy and hungry to prove he's worth it.

CeDe Lamb is also up for what is probably going to be an insanely expensive extension. And as great as he is, I'm not sure we should be the team who is signing him to that kind of deal. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome and has proven he can be the #1 and I absolutely want him on this team. But I'm not willing to lose basically all the top supporting cast players to keep him. Not when you dive deeper into the reality of the future.
I'm basing this take off of just two things:
1. Is the fact that WR, as a whole, seems to be one of the strongest position groups coming out of the draft almost every single year. Is it really worth paying a guy $150mil+ when you can replace him with a great WR but on a 5 year rookie deal? I know he'd most likely be better than any rookie, but how much better? $30M+/yr better?
2. If they sign him to a monster 5 year extension, that many think could be worth up to $175M, w/$135M guaranteed, he maybe worth it for the first year, two or three. But, history has shown us time and again that almost all WR's start to fall off (after their second contracts) as they approach age 30. And even though he's currently only 25, the reality is that he's going to start declining, most likely within the next couple/three years. Do you really want this team to lose out on several key free agents and instead be paying a declining WR 35+million dollars 3 or 4 years from now? I don't, and as much as it would hurt them/us/me to let him walk, he's the odd man out IMHO.
Micah=Yes
CD=Yes (if he wants 30 million trade him)
Dak=Is this a joke? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 

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We have a big 3 to re-sign and I don't think they can afford to do all three deals. So IMO, 1 of 3 is the odd man out. Who's it going to be?

I know if we take a poll about extending Dak it's probably 50/50 if we should or shouldn't. And I completely understand both sides of the coin, I really do. But I'll go on record and say that I think we probably should extend him. Not because he's great and can carry this team to a SB ring. But because he's good enough to lead a good team to one. And the fact is we just don't have anyone close to his abilities to replace him with. I for one am not ready for a stretch of losing seasons while we try to find another quality QB in the draft or deal with signing aging vets as place holders until we do. I just hope they can get him to "not play for $" as he said. He needs to sign a reasonable contract, but leave some on the table so they have some $ leftover to sign other much needed players.

I think you have to sign Micah 100%. I know he hasn't been able to stay dominate through an entire season yet and that his contract will be absolutely ridiculous, but IMHO, his potential to be one of the all time great pass rushers is far too high to just let him walk out the door. Could you imagine if they let him go and he becomes a player far better than he already is? One most people think he most likely will be? You don't let all time greats out the door. Get the deal done and pray he stays healthy and hungry to prove he's worth it.

CeDe Lamb is also up for what is probably going to be an insanely expensive extension. And as great as he is, I'm not sure we should be the team who is signing him to that kind of deal. Don't get me wrong, he's awesome and has proven he can be the #1 and I absolutely want him on this team. But I'm not willing to lose basically all the top supporting cast players to keep him. Not when you dive deeper into the reality of the future.
I'm basing this take off of just two things:
1. Is the fact that WR, as a whole, seems to be one of the strongest position groups coming out of the draft almost every single year. Is it really worth paying a guy $150mil+ when you can replace him with a great WR but on a 5 year rookie deal? I know he'd most likely be better than any rookie, but how much better? $30M+/yr better?
2. If they sign him to a monster 5 year extension, that many think could be worth up to $175M, w/$135M guaranteed, he maybe worth it for the first year, two or three. But, history has shown us time and again that almost all WR's start to fall off (after their second contracts) as they approach age 30. And even though he's currently only 25, the reality is that he's going to start declining, most likely within the next couple/three years. Do you really want this team to lose out on several key free agents and instead be paying a declining WR 35+million dollars 3 or 4 years from now? I don't, and as much as it would hurt them/us/me to let him walk, he's the odd man out IMHO.
This could have been a much shorter list, so didnt read it didn't have too!

we've already discussed this to death,

but here's my take and it's always been my take if you're not planning on keeping Prescott in 2025 then no to the rest and I'm trading CD Lamb, Micah Parsons ,Trayvon diggs and I'm cutting/trade Zach Martin and tank and we're rebooting for 25 that's what I would do if I'm a GM...

If they don't think they can get Prescott deal done either before the season starts or convince him to stay next year after he tests free agency and see what his true market offers are and maybe he comes back then I'm not giving any of these guys the money so if you see them pay CD land this year they are intending to bring Prescott back...
 

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When’s he been burned twice by the same guy?
Martin right now. If the standard is “resulted in wins” then Martin is the obvious one. In general though reaching a 3rd contract is rare for non QBs and Dak is the franchise QB the team has had to even be in that position (Romo was done by that point).
 

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you cant be serious if by "Burned" you mean winning a championship .. you name the players that have not burned him since 1995? like Dak dont like Dak i dont care ..Jerry has paid other guys and NONE of them have won...maybe the problem isnt the players...Are you saying Jerry has never payed another player top money at his position and they didnt win a title? if you have a "Dak only " definition of burn then by all means lets hear it...
Jason Witten, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith never won anything and got 2nd large contracts, but nobody can say Jerry didn’t get his moneys worth from them.

I’ll reword it for you.

Tell me the players that have gotten 2nd large contracts from Jerry when he didn't get his moneys worth (burned) out if the 1st large contract?
 

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Martin right now. If the standard is “resulted in wins” then Martin is the obvious one. In general though reaching a 3rd contract is rare for non QBs and Dak is the franchise QB the team has had to even be in that position (Romo was done by that point).
Martin has 3 straight 1st team All-Pro seasons going right now. Jerry is getting his moneys worth from Martin seeing as Martin is the best in the world at his job.
 

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Jason Witten, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith never won anything and got 2nd large contracts, but nobody can say Jerry didn’t get his moneys worth from them.

I’ll reword it for you.

Tell me the players that have gotten 2nd large contracts from Jerry when he didn't get his moneys worth (burned) out if the 1st large contract?
If we are defining “money’s worth” as not wins (I am so happy to hear it as that is how one should evaluate players) then the 2nd team all pro QB on the t-11th highest salary is certainly in that category.

We already established, by your own metrics, that making all pro does matter after all.
 

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Jason Witten, Zack Martin, Tyron Smith never won anything and got 2nd large contracts, but nobody can say Jerry didn’t get his moneys worth from them.

I’ll reword it for you.

Tell me the players that have gotten 2nd large contracts from Jerry when he didn't get his moneys worth (burned) out if the 1st large contract?
Jerry's money worth is staying relevant. And Dak has kept the Cowboys relevant. I just don't think Jerry's going to risk that on an unknown.
 

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If we are defining “money’s worth” as not wins (I am so happy to hear it as that is how one should evaluate players) then the 2nd team all pro QB on the t-11th highest salary is certainly in that category.

We already established, by your own metrics, that making all pro does matter after all.
1 2nd team All Pro does not equal highest paid player ever worthiness.
 

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Jerry has been burned on every contract since 1995 if your talking about winning..you really think he see things this way? you have WAY more faith in 81 year old Jerry turning a corner than you should...would'nt you think if he has really "Figured it out" the first move would have been a real GM?
If that's the case ,then you can go ahead and list all the other teams there are many teams that are getting their return on investment after paying a lot of big time players, especially at quarterback because they're not winning Super Bowls on a regular basis...

Click on that list how about you open your eyes and see all the other teams players not just at quarterback I mean show me where they're getting their return on investment to overpaying players especially at quarterback but it's more than just quarterback now I mean the TJ what since he's been in the league win a Super Bowl isn't he one of the highest paid pass rushers his last two contracts I believe been pretty high.. How about all the bosa brothers I know they're pretty high plate I I don't remember them having any trophies.. But click on that list it shows all the salaries how they are either AV cash how they hit on the salary cap and all that and you should open your eyes that this is a league problem and this is across all sports owners have to pay because they need people to fill seats because filling seats at stadiums are what's paying for this league to stay relative... You need fans and fans follow stars you can't just always cut your stars instead of pay them or you're gonna feel it in your back pocket..

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/_/year/2024

I mean go look at those top five in money qbs ,

I mean there are 10 quarterbacks making more money than Prescott and I only know one of them that's regularly winning the Super bowl besides Patrick Mahomes the rest of them are just burning their money from their owners as well...

I mean this goes for all the teams not just Jerry they've all been burned and eventually you have to trade guys or cut them like DeAndre Hopkins guys like him have now had to be traded after they got big contracts what did Michael Thomas do for the Saints but take the money and almost never play another snap... I mean this happens all over the league stop making this myopic as if this is a Dallas cowboy problem every team pays its stars eventually and just about all teams don't make it to the Super bowl and win it.. they're very few select teams that are making the Super bowl so the rest of the teams are supposed to what never pay their superstars and by the way you can extend that into the NBA Major League Baseball and all the other sports where they overpay their big-time stars and it doesn't usually pay dividends...

Let's be real here, I'm really tired of hearing about this is the Jerry Jones thing he's not the only one who does this I don't think they feel burned you have to take some risk this is like investments where you go for some stock and it doesn't work out and then you just hope to make it up somewhere else on the next deal...
 
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