BIGDen's View of the OL

BIGDen

Dr. Freakasaurus
Messages
4,767
Reaction score
902
Since the Free situation has finally been settled, it looks like we pretty much know who we're going to camp with this year. I don't get the feeling that we're interested in Moore and the Winston option went away once Free took his pay cut.

I certainly would like for us to have addressed the trenches one more time on the first few rounds of the draft, but at least we took the top-rated center. I think Frederick, like any rookie, will have some growing pains but he should really give us some much-needed strength in the middle of the OL.

So let's look at what we have to work with this year:

OT:

Tyron Smith - A player who struggled early last year but steadily improved as the year went on. He is young, incredibly talented, and has a great work ethic/desire to be great. He is poised to have a very good year.

Doug Free - He has certainly been a major disappointment over the past 2 years, but he did play better at the end of last year and has played well at RT in the past. His improvement last year may have been due to technique changes, competition with Parnell, or both. Regardless of the reason, he played better and I believe that he will be better this year.

Jermey Parnell - A young, athletic tackle that has all of the measurables one could want in an OT. He got some valuable game experience late last year when rotating with Free and should finally be hitting his stride after coming into the league with limited football experience.

Darrion Weems - A player with upside that will, hopefully, show enough to earn a spot or compete at a high enough level to make those he's competing against better.

C/OG: (Having quite a few players with position flexibility here can only help us get the best 5 OL on the field)

Travis Frederick - A smart, powerful, center who can also play guard if Costa ends up being a better center than guard. His presence should help solidify the pocket and help immensely in short yardage/running situations.

Phil Costa - Everyone is aware of his T-Rex limitations, but he is a physically strong player who played very well against Baltimore last year. He also played well at the end of 2011. He may be hitting his stride and will push for one of those interior OL spots. At the very least he adds quality depth at the center position if he cannot beat out Frederick or one of the 2 guards.

Nate Livings - Appeared to be a solid OG until injuries seemed to derail his season last year. His level of play dropped a great deal once he started dealing with injuries. Hopefully, with a year under Callahan and Woicik, he can play his best this year.

Mackenzy Bernadeau - A guy who really never seem to get on top of his injury situations last year. Again he is dealing with rehabbing an injury (shoulder), but should be full strength for TC. He has the physical potential to be a solid guard or center, but needs to put it together and show it. He could end up being a valuable backup interior OL if he can't win a starting spot. He, like Livings, is also a candidate to be cut if his performance doesn't justify his salary.

Ronald Leary - The guy we're all hoping will make that big second year jump (like Carter and Harris did last year). He is powerful and nasty with feet that are, according to reports, good enough. Everyone will be watching him closely in TC/pre-season. If he doesn't win a starting spot he appears to be young, improving, quality depth on the OL.

Kevin Kowalski - Another guy who dealt with injuries last season. He showed potential in 2011 but never got to build on that last year. None of us know what we really have in this player, but he is yet another young player who can play G or C. If he plays well enough to earn a roster spot, it spells doom for Livings or Bernadeau.

Ryan Cook - Based on the numbers, he is going to have a tough time making the roster IMO. He was an absolute savior for us last season. He is a solid pass protector but a terrible run blocker. The fact that he can play any position on the OL, however, adds to his value.

David Arkin - How great is it that we will not be a "last second trade for Cook" away from starting this guy? Like many, I had hopes for this player. I no longer have any hope left for him. He is weak. Weak as in "not strong enough for the NFL" weak. Unless he got a hold of some good PEDs, I don't believe this guy can physically hold up in the NFL.

OVERALL:
I believe that there could be a pretty significant improvement in the OL this year. Drafting Frederick, another year under Callahan, improved health, and numerous players gaining experience/entering their prime, all bode well for this unit. There looks to be much better depth and competition along the entire OL than we've seen in years. I wanted another OL in the draft and for us to sign Clabo, but I do see the potential in this group. I can understand what the coaches are likely thinking about this unit. I'm a little more optimistic than I have been over the past few seasons that they might have gotten it right. With an improved OL, and the weapons we have at the skill positions, I think we're going to see some big-time offense this season.
 

Vertigo_17

Well-Known Member
Messages
2,278
Reaction score
56
Very nice analysis and I agree with most of it. I do however think Cook makes the team, as you pointed out he can backup any position on the OL.
 

RoyTheHammer

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,801
Reaction score
1,850
Nice read, I'm hoping Kowalski can push Costa off this team for good in TC, but looks like we should be much better overall this season.
 

Thatkidbob

Active Member
Messages
556
Reaction score
172
RoyTheHammer;5085894 said:
Nice read, I'm hoping Kowalski can push Costa off this team for good in TC, but looks like we should be much better overall this season.

If Kowalski outperforms him, than by all means, but I wouldn't bet on it. Costs is better than a lot here give him credit for... His main problem now is staying healthy.
 

CoCo

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,603
Reaction score
187
Nice write-up. There's a whole lot of reasonable rationale for upside this year but not a whole lot of credentials to back it up once you get past Tyron and Frederick.

It will have to be done with guys playing beyond their draft position which isn't a real comforting thought. Nevertheless, I'm hopeful we can improve a couple notches. We'd better.
 
Messages
10,108
Reaction score
7,327
CowboysZone DIEHARD Fan
Even as a thoroughly jaded fan i have to admit there is some hope with "the process" and the possibility that some of these players might develop satisfactorily under Callahan. Still, there are multitude of reasons to doubt the current lineup(pedigree and past performance) and to question the GM's choices.

Fingers crossed...
 

Eskimo

Well-Known Member
Messages
12,821
Reaction score
496
Some might call you a Homer but I think most here are skeptical because of how bad OL play has been since 2009. Jerry got caught with an old OL and no young prospects and mini cap he'll because of overspending on old players under Wade.

I think we actually had okay OL play in the middle of 2011 when Holland came in, Free hadn't fallen apart, Tyrone was playing very well, Kosier hadn't fallen apart yet and Costa was closed to an average Center. Then Holland got hurt, Kosier and Free fell apart, Dockery came in and was terrible and the season was over.

I think the key is securing the Center and two OTHER spots and then getting okay OG play. I think we had trouble last year mostly due to injuries on the interior, Tyrone adjusting to LT and Free playing horribly. So now everyone believes we can't secure the OL without premium players everywhere but that is just going to rob the rest of the team of resources and results in a week team.

The current investment of a top 10 LT, a highly paid RT, a first round Center and two midtier vets is what most of the better OLs have. What we are missing is continuity which takes time with all the new players and the new OL coach. The only OL on our Oster who was with the team in 2010 was Costa as a UDFA bubble guy. We have made good investments we just now need to give it some time to gel and keep picking OL in the first two days of the Draft when a good one who fits our system falls.

Jerry is usually too reactionary but has shown a bit of restraint and has a long term POV at OL and Safety which is encouraging. I think we are on the right track and will surprise people if health permits. The only real vet I expect to see is Livings and the rest of the other guys will show considerable growth compared to last year.

The big key is the growth of Tyrone, Frederick and Costa giving us power in the interior for short yardage and Free or Parnell giving us average RT play. I think it happens and the offense takes it up a notch. I am much more worried about the defense but I hope the new coaches will utilize what we have better and find Safeties to protect us down field.
 

MichaelWinicki

"You want some?"
Staff member
Messages
47,997
Reaction score
27,917
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
CoCo;5085907 said:
Nice write-up. There's a whole lot of reasonable rationale for upside this year but not a whole lot of credentials to back it up once you get past Tyron and Frederick.

It will have to be done with guys playing beyond their draft position which isn't a real comforting thought. Nevertheless, I'm hopeful we can improve a couple notches. We'd better.

Every team needs a certain number of players to "excel" beyond their draft position in order to have a very successful season. With the offensive line needing 5 positions and with only 7 draft picks available every April and another 17 starters needed to fill out your offense and defense you can't fill your line with 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a 3rd. It just doesn't work like that.
 

CoCo

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,603
Reaction score
187
MichaelWinicki;5085914 said:
Every team needs a certain number of players to "excel" beyond their draft position in order to have a very successful season. With the offensive line needing 5 positions and with only 7 draft picks available every April and another 17 starters needed to fill out your offense and defense you can't fill your line with 2 firsts, 2 seconds and a 3rd. It just doesn't work like that.

Absolutely. And it does happen.

Just trying to stay grounded amidst the collective hope we have in a whole bunch of UDFA's and guys whose previous teams let them walk.

We're certainly in a better spot now with our unheralded guys (Costa, Kowalski, Parnell, Leary, etc.) having some experience under their belts, versus where things were starting in 2011. I'm hoping the NUMBER of candidates improves our chances of success. Cause the list of sure-fire guys is pretty short.
 

Angus

Active Member
Messages
5,097
Reaction score
20
CoCo;5085907 said:
Nice write-up. There's a whole lot of reasonable rationale for upside this year but not a whole lot of credentials to back it up once you get past Tyron and Frederick.

It will have to be done with guys playing beyond their draft position which isn't a real comforting thought. Nevertheless, I'm hopeful we can improve a couple notches. We'd better.

"Credentials" are not important. "NFL ability" is. Those are two different things often not found in combination. Be open to surprise.

:)
 

gimmesix

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Messages
40,008
Reaction score
37,150
Vertigo_17;5085885 said:
Very nice analysis and I agree with most of it. I do however think Cook makes the team, as you pointed out he can backup any position on the OL.

I'd definitely give him the edge over Weems, who right now is just a guy.
 

CoCo

Well-Known Member
Messages
5,603
Reaction score
187
Angus;5085930[B said:
]"Credentials" are not important.[/B] "NFL ability" is. Those are two different things often not found in combination. Be open to surprise. :)

Wide open to surprise. But credentials have their place.
 

speedkilz88

Well-Known Member
Messages
36,949
Reaction score
23,097
gimmesix;5085933 said:
I'd definitely give him the edge over Weems, who right now is just a guy.
I've seen Cook. Cook is worse than just a guy. A lot of the OL problems involved him, starting with the inability to run. He also had problems with Romo's cadence that made it difficult on the other linemen as far as when the snap was coming causing a lot of false starts and getting off the ball late.
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
I think we could have 3 players either at average or above average this season.

Tyron
THE Beard
And I am hoping someone at RT.

Guards- well one can hope.
 

gimmesix

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Messages
40,008
Reaction score
37,150
EGG;5085912 said:
Even as a thoroughly jaded fan i have to admit there is some hope with "the process" and the possibility that some of these players might develop satisfactorily under Callahan. Still, there are multitude of reasons to doubt the current lineup(pedigree and past performance) and to question the GM's choices.

Fingers crossed...

Sadly, the process of rebuilding the offensive line after Garrett decided to clean house by letting Davis, Colombo and Gurode go (with Kosier soon to follow) suffered a setback when Free failed to live up to the expectations he set.

Right now, we should have three foundation line players (Smith, Bernadeau and Free) and two hold-the-fort guys (Livings and Bernadeau) since Garrett has shown he wants to rebuild the line with youth. Instead, we're still at only stage 2 of 5 in the process.

Obviously, the process could accelerate if Free returns to form, Parnell takes the next step or someone like Leary makes a leap, but I really believe Garrett hoped to be further along at this point.
 

RoyTheHammer

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,801
Reaction score
1,850
Thatkidbob;5085898 said:
If Kowalski outperforms him, than by all means, but I wouldn't bet on it. Costs is better than a lot here give him credit for... His main problem now is staying healthy.

Well, Kowalski was certainly better than Costa the last year they were both healthy in 2011. One good game last year by Costa doesn't change how awful he was the entire year in 2011 for me. It may for others, and they're certainly entitled to their opinions, but i don't see him being a starter for us this year.
 

03EBZ06

Need2Speed
Messages
7,984
Reaction score
411
gimmesix;5085944 said:
Sadly, the process of rebuilding the offensive line after Garrett decided to clean house by letting Davis, Colombo and Gurode go (with Kosier soon to follow) suffered a setback when Free failed to live up to the expectations he set.

Right now, we should have three foundation line players (Smith, Bernadeau and Free) and two hold-the-fort guys (Livings and Bernadeau) since Garrett has shown he wants to rebuild the line with youth. Instead, we're still at only stage 2 of 5 in the process.

Obviously, the process could accelerate if Free returns to form, Parnell takes the next step or someone like Leary makes a leap, but I really believe Garrett hoped to be further along at this point.
I'm sure you meant Frederick?
 

RoyTheHammer

Well-Known Member
Messages
14,801
Reaction score
1,850
burmafrd;5085939 said:
I think we could have 3 players either at average or above average this season.

Tyron
THE Beard
And I am hoping someone at RT.

Guards- well one can hope.

I think Livings was at least average if not above average when he was healthy last year and i expect that will be the case again this year as Smith has another year of experience at LT and he has a big upgrade like Fred at C.
 

gimmesix

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life
Messages
40,008
Reaction score
37,150
03EBZ06;5086031 said:
I'm sure you meant Frederick?

Definitely. Would never want to confuse the two.
 
Top