Bill Cowboy erm...Cowher.

[sureletsrace]

Anyone have feelings +/- on this idea?

I think he'd come in and straighten some things out real fast. I love Wade, how can't you? He's a fat jolly man that jumps in the air when we score, kinda like a fat kid jumps around when the cake timer goes off.

Regardless, anyone got anything to say about this situation?

How much would JJ have to pay Cowher to come coach for 3-4 years until Pete Carroll is ready?

 

[Hypnotoad]

Another coach for 3-4 years?

I am so sick of this 1-2 years, 2-4 year, 3-4 year nonsense. I would rather continue with wade until he is proven to be 100% a complete dud then go with another short term solution. I might have felt anger at first after the loss, but I dont think firing wade is best.

I am sure I'm in the minority, but I honestly believe long term success comes from consistency.

Just look at the last 5 superbowls...Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren, Bill Cowher, Andy Reid, John Fox

I am sure you see more of that if you look further back. These teams invested time with their coaches, they might not have given them GM authority or complete personnel powers, but they were still given a chance to prove themselves. I would be sad to see the entire team dismantled because expectations were too high.

 

[sureletsrace]

until he is proven to be 100% a complete dud

Like I said, I love Wade, but he's just too soft of a coach for what we NEED right now. We need MAJOR PAYNE.

 

[Hypnotoad]

Like I said, I love Wade, but he's just too soft of a coach for what we NEED right now. We need MAJOR PAYNE.

We just had major payne. It was great for media soundbytes and press conferences but we were a crappy yo-yo team who couldnt streak more than 2 wins in a row. If he stayed longer, who knows if that 13-3 team was his and how long he would have been able to continue that level of high performance. As of now, its Wade's record, he should have the benefit and continue building.

 

[Boysboy]

What we need is a YOUNG coach who'll give us CONTINUITY for YEARS.

In case you didn't know it, assuming Cowher will be coaching next year, he'll be 52...IOW, this is NOT the Cowher of 1992 when he was in his 30's and had all that energy. We're talking about a Cowher who's less than a decade from hitting his 60's...these guys' longevity are VERY hard to predict.

We just had major payne. It was great for media soundbytes and press conferences but we were a crappy yo-yo team who couldnt streak more than 2 wins in a row. If he stayed longer, who knows if that 13-3 team was his and how long he would have been able to continue that level of high performance. As of now, its Wade's record, he should have the benefit and continue building.

Again...he went 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7, plus 0-2 in the playoffs...really, say all you want how he made us "competitive again", but he really did nothing special.

 

[AKATheRake]

What we need is a YOUNG coach who'll give us CONTINUITY for YEARS.

In case you didn't know it, assuming Cowher will be coaching next year, he'll be 52...IOW, this is NOT the Cowher of 1992 when he was in his 30's and had all that energy. We're talking about a Cowher who's less than a decade from hitting his 60's...these guys' longevity are VERY hard to predict.



Again...he went 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7, plus 0-2 in the playoffs...really, say all you want how he made us "competitive again", but he really did nothing special.

Steve Spagnuolo or Jason Garret. I say if we lose the next 2 hand it over to Garret for the looksie. It works out then we have our HC and Jerry's original plan comes to fruition. If not, Spagnuolo looks good to me and he knows what a championship run looks like.

 

[Hypnotoad]

What we need is a YOUNG coach who'll give us CONTINUITY for YEARS.

...

Again...he went 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7, plus 0-2 in the playoffs...really, say all you want how he made us "competitive again", but he really did nothing special.

Not a Parcells lover here...

Jerry will never let a young guy coach unless he trusts him not to cut and run. The Rooney's put their faith in Tomlin. Someone who was never tested and was their "Rooney" rule candidate. Russ Grimm or Wisenhunt were the candidates, and he was a long shot to get the job. They were Impressed by his interview and let him take control. So far hes been able to fix some of the mess Cowher left. (Cowher did leave a mess btw aging offensive line, rooneys dont like to $$$ keep players, needing to draft RB.. surprised they are doing so well)

I think Jerry mentioned how he doesn't want to experiment with college coaches. You cant trust them to stay for the long term and the learning curve is too high. What tree is Garrett from? He was OC of a 13-3 team which not many people like to hear about now. He was a Miami QB coach prior to that, not sure whose tree hes from. Tomlin was a student of Dungys.

Garrett could be next in line if Wade gets fired, but I am afraid with his current experience he wont be the answer. We would need a few years with him before he even learns how to be an effective coach (same with Spagnuolo).

I would rather go with Wade just because firing him means hitting the reset button. Why hit it now? The system is in place and we have an opportunity to rebound. If he fails, hit away but go after Carroll then, no need for a transition guy in the middle.

 

[WG5516]

Another coach for 3-4 years?

I am so sick of this 1-2 years, 2-4 year, 3-4 year nonsense. I would rather continue with wade until he is proven to be 100% a complete dud then go with another short term solution. I might have felt anger at first after the loss, but I dont think firing wade is best.

I am sure I'm in the minority, but I honestly believe long term success comes from consistency.

Just look at the last 5 superbowls...Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy, Mike Holmgren, Bill Cowher, Andy Reid, John Fox

I am sure you see more of that if you look further back. These teams invested time with their coaches, they might not have given them GM authority or complete personnel powers, but they were still given a chance to prove themselves. I would be sad to see the entire team dismantled because expectations were too high.

wow that was the most level headed response i've heard around here in a very long time.

 

[Beast_from_East]

wow that was the most level headed response i've heard around here in a very long time.

Didnt Cowher win like 1 SB in like 15 seasons with Pitt and that was because the refs had to personally hand Cowher the trophy???

I dont get the love this guy is getting, I really dont.

It is not like Pitt was winning 12 games every freaking year and just lost in the playoffs year after year.

Pitt had some seasons when they were barely even competitive under Cowher, seriously.

 

[Bleu Star]

I've said it weeks ago and I will continue to say it when the subject is brought up... This team needs a disciplinarian. They can't discipline themselves. Bill Cowher should definitely be on the short list.

 

[TNCowboy]

Didnt Cowher win like 1 SB in like 15 seasons with Pitt and that was because the refs had to personally hand Cowher the trophy???

I dont get the love this guy is getting, I really dont.

It is not like Pitt was winning 12 games every freaking year and just lost in the playoffs year after year.

Pitt had some seasons when they were barely even competitive under Cowher, seriously.

The only active coach with a higher winning % than Cowher is Tony Dungy, who has the benefit of coaching the Colts during Peyton Manning's prime.

How many SBs does Belichick have without Brady?

Cowher had no QB for most of his time there, frugal owners who won't spend $, and yet he kept them competitive for most of that 15 years.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

We need someone.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Didnt Cowher win like 1 SB in like 15 seasons with Pitt and that was because the refs had to personally hand Cowher the trophy???

I dont get the love this guy is getting, I really dont.

It is not like Pitt was winning 12 games every freaking year and just lost in the playoffs year after year.

Pitt had some seasons when they were barely even competitive under Cowher, seriously.

Tom Landry won only 2 in 29 years of coaching. So what's your point?

Bill Cowher by the year:

1992: 11-5, AFC Central Title, loss to the Bills in the divisional round (Buffalo went on to lose Superbowl to Dallas)

1993: 9-7, Wildcard loss to Joe Montana and the Chiefs (I believe the Chiefs made the AFC title game that year and lost to the Bills who went on to lose to Dallas in the Superbowl)

1994: 12-4, AFC Central Title, AFC Championship game lost to Chargers (Who went on to be crushed by the Niners in the Superbowl)

1995: 11-5, AFC Central Title, AFC Champions, lost Superbowl to Dallas

1996: 10-6, AFC Central Title, Wild card playoff win (Crushed Colts), beaten by New England in divisional round, New England went on to lose Superbowl to the Packers

1997: 11-5, AFC Central Title, AFC Championship game lost to Denver Broncos, who just happened to go on and win the Superbowl

1998: 7-9, missed playoffs

1999: 6-10, missed playoffs

2000: 9-7, missed playoffs

2001: 13-3, Divisional title, AFC Championship game loss to eventual Superbowl Champion Patriots.

2002: 10-5-1, Division title, Wild card win, divisional round playoff loss to Titans

2003: 6-10, missed playoffs

2004: 15-1, divison title, AFC Championship game loss to eventual Superbowl Champion Patriots

2005: 10-6, Won the Superbowl

2006: 8-8, missed playoffs


So, yeah, he coached them to a few down years there, as expected, but by and large I'd say he kept a pretty darn competitive team for the majority of his coaching career there.

I mean how many people wouldn't take at least an NFC Championship appearance at least 6 times in 15 years?

The Steelers made 6 AFC title games during his tenure and played in two superbowls.

Certainly not the best coach of all time, by any means, but hardly a guy who sucks.

I'd take results like that over going this long without even one playoff victory, let alone a NFC Championship game appearance.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The only active coach with a higher winning % than Cowher is Tony Dungy, who has the benefit of coaching the Colts during Peyton Manning's prime.

How many SBs does Belichick have without Brady?

Cowher had no QB for most of his time there, frugal owners who won't spend $, and yet he kept them competitive for most of that 15 years.

This is a great point as well. If you got him in here next year he'd have a great QB to start with, and have playing for him for another 6 or 7 years anyway, and an Owner who absolutely has no problems with spending the money to field a winning team. I'd say Cowher would have at least a shot to do good here with those things working in his favor.

Now, again, I'm not saying he's going to be here, or that he should or whatever, but I certainly wouldn't be unhappy about it, at all, if he were.

 

[LucaBrasi]

He's a terrific motivator, and not much of an x's and o's guy. But if he would be willing to work with Jerry, I'd take him in a heartbeat.

As far as the "mess" Mike Tomlin had to fix when Cowher left, Cowher left Tomilin a team one year removed from a SB victory and currently 19 of 22 starters on a 5-1 team. That's some mess.

 

[aikemirv]

The only active coach with a higher winning % than Cowher is Tony Dungy, who has the benefit of coaching the Colts during Peyton Manning's prime.

How many SBs does Belichick have without Brady?

Cowher had no QB for most of his time there, frugal owners who won't spend $, and yet he kept them competitive for most of that 15 years.

I definitely agree. I would like it if Jerry fired Wade tommorrow and made Garrett head coach but that puts our defense over the edge.

I have no problem with Cowher coming in tommorrow either, but without Romo I still think we are going to be hard pressed tocome out with a win in the next 2 games no matter who was the coach so you might as well see if Wade can do something with the mental attitude of this team in the next 2 weeks.

That is all I would give Wade - 2 weeks.

 

[STSINAZ]

What we need is a YOUNG coach who'll give us CONTINUITY for YEARS.

In case you didn't know it, assuming Cowher will be coaching next year, he'll be 52...IOW, this is NOT the Cowher of 1992 when he was in his 30's and had all that energy. We're talking about a Cowher who's less than a decade from hitting his 60's...these guys' longevity are VERY hard to predict.



Again...he went 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7, plus 0-2 in the playoffs...really, say all you want how he made us "competitive again", but he really did nothing special.

We can't win with flozell henry gurode spears canty bradie roy w. Get rid of them and you can win. Hard to do that. Jerry overpaid.

 

[Hypnotoad]

If this team cant handle a 4-3 record after a 13-3 season...

How will we ever handle a

1998: 7-9, missed playoffs

1999: 6-10, missed playoffs

from cowher? He would be fired by the end of 1999.

Patience people. Success comes with consistency.

 

[lewpac]

The reason we're in this mess in the first place, is because Phillips, Garrett, and the rest of the coaching staff are the "yes-men" the Jerry requires.
Someone said to me: "What about Parcells? He's no "yes-man"???
If you buy that, you're living in a dream world. Don't think for a nano-second that Parcells OBEYING, at on level or another, wasn't part of the deal.
Look what THAT got us, either way!!!
Nah, I'm afraid I have to invoke the "R" words. As in Ron Rivera. The guy we SHOULDA' hired two years ago!! Place the call NOW, find him, and have him in place after the bye-week.
Maybe then, we'll have the "circle the wagons" story that the Giants got away with last year and win it all down the stretch.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hypnotoad, good posting. You make too much sense.

That won't go over too well here.