Bill Walsh Passed Away 7/30/07 *MERGE*

Wow, just the name brings back memories, you will be missed coach.
 
Someone's gotta' do this, so here goes.............
Nice guy. Good Coach. Sorry to his family for the loss.

BUT......(football only here)...................

If people just leave what he did in SF alone, and let his legacy live on that merit alone, then that's fine with me. But when all this baloney about "genius" and "influence on the game" and "the Lord's Offensive came down from heaven" and "the WCOffense wins where ever it goes", blah, blah, blah.........I got serious problems with THAT!
If the West Coast Offense was all the "rage" that "everyone" grabbed onto......then explain Dallas' dominance in the early 90's? Explain the Patriots, who don't run the West Coast Offense? Name for us all the coaches and teams where "it wins championships where ever it's played"? Explain Ray Rhodes and Denny Green?
There was extreme and serious sports media bias back in those days. Where everyone from Chris Berman on down just creamed over the Niners. Here's just a sample listing of some of the outrageous bias and unfounded crap that got heaved on the Niners back then, only because they were the "darling" of the NFL and the "Anti" Dallas:

1. Barry Switzer wins a Ring in Dallas TWO YEARS after J.J. leaves, and he gets no credit. Just brushed off as a fool tending to the house that Johnson built. George Seifert wins a ring ONE YEAR after Walsh leaves, and it's touted as an extension of that "Niner Perfection" and genius jauggernaut that can't be stopped.
2. "The Catch". A routine play that happens a dozen times ever Sunday in the NFL. But it's forever lauded as "one of the greatest plays ever", not because of the play; but because WHO it happened against!
3. Dionne Sanders. The year he played for the Whiners, he played a limited schedule due to baseball. They gave him the Defensive MVP award, he appeared on the front page of every magazine, and was just loved to death by everyone, a real media darling. The very next year, he was just another big mouth, punk, "everything wrong with the league" wise-*** who doesn't tackle. Why? He changed uniforms from the Niners to the Cowboys.
4. Many, MANY teams have had long-standing success for decades in the NFL equal to or more than the Niners of the 80's. The Cowboys, Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Packers, etc..............yet you never hear about "The Deep in the Heart of Texas Offense" or the "Shula Genius" or the "Madden Genius" or the "Chuck Knoll Offense"..............Only Bill Walsh.
5. Ed Debartolo is a convicted mafiaso criminal felon, found guilty of countless underworld crimes, and all you heard was "Oh, Mr. Debartolo appreciates all the support from the Niner community in his time of need". The ONLY OWNER EVER who had his team taken from him for criminal convictions. Yet, nothing but sympathy. Had that been Jerry Jones........???

Call me crazy, call me "conspiracy" if you like. But these and MANY other examples lead to alot of "spin" about those Niner teams, and all this over-blown bull**** about Bill Walsh "changing the game" and being some kind of "genius". Like I said, give him credit for what he did in SF, and leave it at that. Nice guy, smart guy, gutsy guy who had alot of talent to work with. All the "scheme's" in the world ain't worth spit without the talent, and he had a ton of it. That, and an extremely weak division in those days (Rams, Falcons and Saints, who averaged around 5 wins between them all during that time.) A time when Dallas had to get through wars with the Eagles, Giants and Skins just to get to meet the Niners.
If his "genius offense" is so perfect, where's the fruit of it? Not only around the league, but with the Whiners since his departure? Nah, sorry. Not trying to "kick a guy when he's down", but I ain't buying it. But that's all we're going to here in the coming days...........................
 
Yes, it is possible to loathe a team but greatly admire its head coach. I suspect more than few people also felt the same way about Tom Landry. Farewell, Bill.
 
I remember watching a game between the Giants and the 49ers during the strike years ago. At one stage, the 49ers came out with the Wishbone offense and you could see Parcells laughing on the sideline and yelling something to Walsh. The MNF crew were killing themselves and the funniest moment was when Walsh looked over to the Giant's bench, looked at Parcells and shrugged. It was one of the funnier moments I've seen in football. Walsh was doing what he did best, namely making the best use of his talent. On that night, it was the Wishbone offense and the option play.

I will remember Walsh as a classy, articulate coach, who had a long lasting influence on the game and on coaching at the NFL level. One of the game's true scholars, not unlike Tom Landry.
 
lewpac;1569886 said:
Someone's gotta' do this, so here goes.............
Nice guy. Good Coach. Sorry to his family for the loss.

BUT......(football only here)...................

If people just leave what he did in SF alone, and let his legacy live on that merit alone, then that's fine with me. But when all this baloney about "genius" and "influence on the game" and "the Lord's Offensive came down from heaven" and "the WCOffense wins where ever it goes", blah, blah, blah.........I got serious problems with THAT!
If the West Coast Offense was all the "rage" that "everyone" grabbed onto......then explain Dallas' dominance in the early 90's? Explain the Patriots, who don't run the West Coast Offense? Name for us all the coaches and teams where "it wins championships where ever it's played"? Explain Ray Rhodes and Denny Green?
There was extreme and serious sports media bias back in those days. Where everyone from Chris Berman on down just creamed over the Niners. Here's just a sample listing of some of the outrageous bias and unfounded crap that got heaved on the Niners back then, only because they were the "darling" of the NFL and the "Anti" Dallas:

1. Barry Switzer wins a Ring in Dallas TWO YEARS after J.J. leaves, and he gets no credit. Just brushed off as a fool tending to the house that Johnson built. George Seifert wins a ring ONE YEAR after Walsh leaves, and it's touted as an extension of that "Niner Perfection" and genius jauggernaut that can't be stopped.
2. "The Catch". A routine play that happens a dozen times ever Sunday in the NFL. But it's forever lauded as "one of the greatest plays ever", not because of the play; but because WHO it happened against!
3. Dionne Sanders. The year he played for the Whiners, he played a limited schedule due to baseball. They gave him the Defensive MVP award, he appeared on the front page of every magazine, and was just loved to death by everyone, a real media darling. The very next year, he was just another big mouth, punk, "everything wrong with the league" wise-*** who doesn't tackle. Why? He changed uniforms from the Niners to the Cowboys.
4. Many, MANY teams have had long-standing success for decades in the NFL equal to or more than the Niners of the 80's. The Cowboys, Raiders, Dolphins, Steelers, Packers, etc..............yet you never hear about "The Deep in the Heart of Texas Offense" or the "Shula Genius" or the "Madden Genius" or the "Chuck Knoll Offense"..............Only Bill Walsh.
5. Ed Debartolo is a convicted mafiaso criminal felon, found guilty of countless underworld crimes, and all you heard was "Oh, Mr. Debartolo appreciates all the support from the Niner community in his time of need". The ONLY OWNER EVER who had his team taken from him for criminal convictions. Yet, nothing but sympathy. Had that been Jerry Jones........???

Call me crazy, call me "conspiracy" if you like. But these and MANY other examples lead to alot of "spin" about those Niner teams, and all this over-blown bull**** about Bill Walsh "changing the game" and being some kind of "genius". Like I said, give him credit for what he did in SF, and leave it at that. Nice guy, smart guy, gutsy guy who had alot of talent to work with. All the "scheme's" in the world ain't worth spit without the talent, and he had a ton of it. That, and an extremely weak division in those days (Rams, Falcons and Saints, who averaged around 5 wins between them all during that time.) A time when Dallas had to get through wars with the Eagles, Giants and Skins just to get to meet the Niners.
If his "genius offense" is so perfect, where's the fruit of it? Not only around the league, but with the Whiners since his departure? Nah, sorry. Not trying to "kick a guy when he's down", but I ain't buying it. But that's all we're going to here in the coming days...........................
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You're missing the point. He has a host of past assistants who have gone on to have real success in the NFL. He developed an offensive scheme that had it's share of successful adherents. Landry's development of the Flex defense was a similar in it's scope. It's beauty was that elements of that defensive scheme could be lifted out in part and adapted to other defenses. Don't be bitter about Walsh, celebrate his achievements and remember that the Boys have had their share of good stuff as well. Trust me, not too many knowledgeable football fans would view the Cowboy's achievements as less than great. Let's give Walsh his due.
 
Yeah. Yet, when do you ever hear about "Landry's influence and genius" in the NFL? What about his people who went on to be head coaches? His innovative "schemes", trick plays, "flex defense", etc..............
"Not Much" is the answer.

And that's all I'm saying here. Do you know how many "Coach of the Year's" Landry got????....................One (1). As in "Uno". And that's a crime that smacks of "bias" IMO.
Check out how many Cowboys are in the Hall of Fame. True Cowboys, not the Jackie Smiths and Mike Ditka's and Herb Adderly's and Lance Alworth's of the world...........guys who made their bones somewhere else and passed through Dallas for a year or two. Go ahead, check it out. The number is Seven (7), as in SEVEN! And then talk to me about "bias". Compare that number to teams like the Whiners and Steelers and Raiders, then look at teams like the Chargers and Vikings and Eagles. The Cowboys are right up there with the Cardinals in the HOF!!

I firmly believe that Bill Walsh, bless his soul, was the benificiary along with his whole organization, of alot of "touchy-feely, good-feeling, lovey-touchy" slathering media bias.
Like I said..........what he did in SF.........great, fantastic, good for him. But leave all the "genius" and legacy and "tentacles throughout the league" crap for someone who buys it. 'Cause I don't......................
 
Rest in peace coach. And thank you for your contributions to the game.

P.S.
Tell Tom we said hi.
 
lewpac;1569896 said:
Yeah. Yet, when do you ever hear about "Landry's influence and genius" in the NFL? What about his people who went on to be head coaches? His innovative "schemes", trick plays, "flex defense", etc..............
"Not Much" is the answer.

And that's all I'm saying here. Do you know how many "Coach of the Year's" Landry got????....................One (1). As in "Uno". And that's a crime that smacks of "bias" IMO.
Check out how many Cowboys are in the Hall of Fame. True Cowboys, not the Jackie Smiths and Mike Ditka's and Herb Adderly's and Lance Alworth's of the world...........guys who made their bones somewhere else and passed through Dallas for a year or two. Go ahead, check it out. The number is Seven (7), as in SEVEN! And then talk to me about "bias". Compare that number to teams like the Whiners and Steelers and Raiders, then look at teams like the Chargers and Vikings and Eagles. The Cowboys are right up there with the Cardinals in the HOF!!

I firmly believe that Bill Walsh, bless his soul, was the benificiary along with his whole organization, of alot of "touchy-feely, good-feeling, lovey-touchy" slathering media bias.
Like I said..........what he did in SF.........great, fantastic, good for him. But leave all the "genius" and legacy and "tentacles throughout the league" crap for someone who buys it. 'Cause I don't......................
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I agree... I believe if people would do a little research the WCO is really a ripoff of Paul Brown's offense and perhaps should be named the Ohio Valley Offense...so where is the Genius? What exactly did he introduce to the NFL that was Genius... People sometimes wrongly credit him for TE motion...it was done before he did it... the horizontal passing game (Paul Brown)... in fact had the same passing and blocking and defending rules been in play when Paul was doing his thing the credit might be giving to the correct man.

sorry about his death and God rest his soul and such... but Bill Walsh is WAY overrated
 
Zaxor;1569934 said:
I agree... I believe if people would do a little research the WCO is really a ripoff of Paul Brown's offense and perhaps should be named the Ohio Valley Offense...so where is the Genius? What exactly did he introduce to the NFL that was Genius... People sometimes wrongly credit him for TE motion...it was done before he did it... the horizontal passing game (Paul Brown)... in fact had the same passing and blocking and defending rules been in play when Paul was doing his thing the credit might be giving to the correct man.

sorry about his death and God rest his soul and such... but Bill Walsh is WAY overrated
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Does this mean Jimmy Johnson is over rated as well?
 
RIP Bill....

Prayers to the family.....



lewpac,

I agree with your post about the 49's and the Bias the media has :hammer:
 
Doomsday101;1570037 said:
Does this mean Jimmy Johnson is over rated as well?
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if they are calling him a genius than yes.... didn't you hear theismann "a genius is someone like norman einstein".:laugh1:
 
Zaxor;1570190 said:
if they are calling him a genius than yes.... didn't you hear theismann "a genius is someone like norman einstein".:laugh1:
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I think Walsh deserves the credit he has gotten. Yes he learned from Paul Brown but he put a bit of his own twist on the WCO. All coaches are influenced by others so while Paul Brown was his mentor Walsh still put his own stamp and style on the WCO and was extremely successful with it and given that success I can’t see where he is over rated.
 
Personally, I think that there will be plenty of time for football minds to discuss the pros and cons of who created what and what influences specific coaches had on what.

In the case of Bill Walsh, now is not the time. When it's all said and done, Bill Walsh was a great coach who won championships and built a dynasty. He had a lasting impact on the NFL. It reflects poorly on us, IMO, not to recognize him as a great coach and pay the respects he's earned. People die and that's part of life. What happens after there gone is not for the deceased but for those who have to go on. Pay respects in a respectful way, I say. But, that's just me.
 
ABQCOWBOY;1570229 said:
Personally, I think that there will be plenty of time for football minds to discuss the pros and cons of who created what and what influences specific coaches had on what.

In the case of Bill Walsh, now is not the time. When it's all said and done, Bill Walsh was a great coach who won championships and built a dynasty. He had a lasting impact on the NFL. It reflects poorly on us, IMO, not to recognize him as a great coach and pay the respects he's earned. People die and that's part of life. What happens after there gone is not for the deceased but for those who have to go on. Pay respects in a respectful way, I say. But, that's just me.
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I agree. The poor sport attitude I guess rubs me the wrong way. You don't have to like a certain team or coach but show some class and at least respect what they have accomplished. The 9ers were a great rival for us but that rival is what helps make the NFL the best game around 2 quality teams going head to head in some all time classic games it does not get any better than that.
 
ABQCOWBOY;1570229 said:
Personally, I think that there will be plenty of time for football minds to discuss the pros and cons of who created what and what influences specific coaches had on what.

In the case of Bill Walsh, now is not the time. When it's all said and done, Bill Walsh was a great coach who won championships and built a dynasty. He had a lasting impact on the NFL. It reflects poorly on us, IMO, not to recognize him as a great coach and pay the respects he's earned. People die and that's part of life. What happens after there gone is not for the deceased but for those who have to go on. Pay respects in a respectful way, I say. But, that's just me.
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Yep.

Nothing like a classy move of stomping on someone's name the day of, or day after, their death.

Starting to sound like eagle fans in here.
 
It's a real shame......some people's sense of timing inhales profusely.

During the time of a persons death it's mush better to show a little respect & class not classlessness.
 
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