Bills 24 vs Patriots 25 - Game thread

[DavidS]

Sultan is a clown....

 

[The Quest for Six]

I thought the Pats would blow them out but they were out of sync all night, but Buffalo played a great game and really should of won the game. When the PAts need a big Drive, Brady comes through once again...T.O will be whining after this game I'm sure. Glad he's buffalo's problem now

 

[Rogah]

By the way... Suzy Kober showing some speed..!!

 

[robjgrif]

Would be nice to ask a member of the Buffalo organization, "Is it better to play well and lose or play some what sloppy and win?" Hmmmmm... I bet they would rather have the W.

 

[robjgrif]

Would be nice to ask a member of the Buffalo organization, "Is it better to play well and lose or play some what sloppy and win?" Hmmmmm... I bet they would rather have the W.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Would be nice to ask a member of the Buffalo organization, "Is it better to play well and lose or play some what sloppy and win?" Hmmmmm... I bet they would rather have the W.

But let the Cowboys win in the same fashion and all hell breaks loose around here.

 

[zeroburrito]

nfl.com

brady magic returns

down by 11 points with 3 minutes to go, tom brady leads the patriots to a comeback victory over the bills.

 

[Beast_from_East]

HAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

What a complete choke job by the Bills.


:laugh2:

 

[JonJon]

Witness:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8062d2bb/2008-Senior-Bowl-Leodis-McKelvin-interview

Wow that was painful. I just done got more dumber listening to that! See?

 

[KWilliamsAWinfield]

Typical Bills choke job! I don't know which crushing loss is worse, Bills against the Cowboys or today's game? I would hate to be a Bills fan right now!

 

[SultanOfSix]

See, here's your logical flaw: If that games was really fixed, why would they do it in such ridiculously incredible fashion, leaving so much up to chance? Why wouldn't they "fix" it for a nice, easy 24-13 win over Buffalo?

Bottom line is this: If the NFL was fixing games, it would completely destroy the league (not to mention people would go to jail). You think they would risk their entire existence for the sake of 1/10th of a rating point? Gimme a break.

You do realize that the NFL is sports "entertainment" right?

I'm not saying the NFL "fixed" the outcome of the game before it started and that plays are "scripted". Obviously, they thought the Pats would surely hand it to the Bills, but...it didn't turn out how it was supposed to. I'm merely saying they allowed the other team to win because of who they were, most likely because of how much money was involved in Vegas which is on the magnitude of tens of millions of dollars.

Sorry, I just think it's way too coincidental. I don't think it is so difficult to believe. This is a league that is allowed to destroy evidence and people simply will accept it, because the league knows how popular it is, and that people will eventually just forget about it. I find it surprising that people can't accept this notion, but they repeatedly, year in and year out, accept that NFL reffing continues to be bad.

 

[Rogah]

You do realize that the NFL is sports "entertainment" right?

Yes, but it is also a business and it is subject to federal laws regarding rigged outcomes. If I write a movie, I can give it any outcome I want. If the NFL (as a league) pre-determined the outcome of a football game, they would completely cease to exist as an entity, and people would go to jail.

I'm not saying the NFL "fixed" the outcome of the game before it started and that plays are "scripted". Obviously, they thought the Pats would surely hand it to the Bills, but...it didn't turn out how it was supposed to. I'm merely saying they allowed the other team to win because of who they were, most likely because of how much money was involved in Vegas which is on the magnitude of tens of millions of dollars.

See, this sort of thing shows you don't have the first clue how Vegas works. First of all, the point spread is designed to get equal action on both teams, so Vegas doesn't give a damn which team wins. Half the bettors win, half the bettors lose, Vegas collects the juice in either case. (I honestly think you don't even know what a point spread is so I suggest you look it up).

Second of all, absolutely nothing that happened tonight affected the outcome of the game against the spread. The Bills were getting 13' points and they covered the spread 100% of the way. None of those crazy plays at the end of the game affected Vegas one bit. The Bills covered the spread with ease.

Sorry, I just think it's way too coincidental. I don't think it is so difficult to believe. This is a league that is allowed to destroy evidence and people simply will accept it, because the league knows how popular it is, and that people will eventually just forget about it. I find it surprising that people can't accept this notion, but they repeatedly, year in and year out, accept that NFL reffing continues to be bad.

With all due respect, your second paragraph shows how much you just don't know what you are talking about. Maybe if you actually knew how the real world worked, it would be easier to take your beliefs seriously.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yes, but it is also a business and it is subject to federal laws regarding rigged outcomes. If I write a movie, I can give it any outcome I want. If the NFL (as a league) pre-determined the outcome of a football game, they would completely cease to exist as an entity, and people would go to jail.

So is the WWE also covered by the same federal laws?

See, this sort of thing shows you don't have the first clue how Vegas works. First of all, the point spread is designed to get equal action on both teams, so Vegas doesn't give a damn which team wins. Half the bettors win, half the bettors lose, Vegas collects the juice in either case. (I honestly think you don't even know what a point spread is so I suggest you look it up).

Second of all, absolutely nothing that happened tonight affected the outcome of the game against the spread. The Bills were getting 13' points and they covered the spread 100% of the way. None of those crazy plays at the end of the game affected Vegas one bit. The Bills covered the spread with ease.

Do people have to bet on the spread in Vegas? Or can they also bet on a multitude of different other things, such as which team wins or loses? You think that money won or lost is just the concern of those who run Vegas?

With all due respect, your first paragraph shows how much you just don't know what you are talking about. Maybe if you actually knew how the real world worked, it would be easier to take your beliefs seriously.

The real world is chock full of injustices and conspiracies. Don't talk to me about the real world.

 

[zrinkill]

This is embarrassing.

 

[Rogah]

So is the WWE also covered by the same federal laws?

Is there legalized gambling on the WWE?

Do people have to bet on the spread in Vegas? Or can they also bet on a multitude of different other things, such as which team wins or loses? You think that money won or lost is just the concern of those who run Vegas?

You're the one that brought Vegas into your argument. Now that I threw it back in your face, you're trying to back away from your own statement. Anyway, to answer your question....

Normally there is something called the "money line", where you can bet on a specific team without any point spread. But in a game with a point spread as high as tonight's game was, they don't offer a money line (for the simple reason that everyone on the planet would be taking the Patriots). Not a single gambler in Vegas won or lost a single dime on the crazy events that took place in the final 5 minutes of tonight's game.

So that blows another one of your conspiracy theories out of the water.

The real world is chock full of injustices and conspiracies. Don't talk to me about the real world.

Well I admit it's tough to talk to you about the real world being that you seemingly have no familiarity with it whatsoever.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Is there legalized gambling on the WWE?

I don't know? Is there? Can you name me these federal laws concerning rigged outcomes?

Regardless, you seem to think that just because there are laws against something, people can't get away with things. There were NFL "laws" against what the Pats did. It didn't prevent them from cheating their way to SBs.

You're the one that brought Vegas into your argument. Now that I threw it back in your face, you're trying to back away from your own statement. Anyway, to answer your question....

Normally there is something called the "money line", where you can bet on a specific team without any point spread. But in a game with a point spread as high as tonight's game was, they don't offer a money line (for the simple reason that everyone on the planet would be taking the Patriots). Not a single gambler in Vegas won or lost a single dime on the crazy events that took place in the final 5 minutes of tonight's game.

So that blows another one of your conspiracy theories out of the water.

So, people can't bet on total points in a game either? No one lost money on that?

Well I admit it's tough to talk to you about the real world being that you seemingly have no familiarity with it whatsoever.

I know a lot about the real world. Like I said, it's chock full of injustices, contradictions, and conspiracies.

 

[Doomsday101]

You do realize that the NFL is sports "entertainment" right?

I'm not saying the NFL "fixed" the outcome of the game before it started and that plays are "scripted". Obviously, they thought the Pats would surely hand it to the Bills, but...it didn't turn out how it was supposed to. I'm merely saying they allowed the other team to win because of who they were, most likely because of how much money was involved in Vegas which is on the magnitude of tens of millions of dollars.

Sorry, I just think it's way too coincidental. I don't think it is so difficult to believe. This is a league that is allowed to destroy evidence and people simply will accept it, because the league knows how popular it is, and that people will eventually just forget about it. I find it surprising that people can't accept this notion, but they repeatedly, year in and year out, accept that NFL reffing continues to be bad.

It is the NFL it is not easy to win. Just because the Pats were favored does not mean jack. Bills gave the Pats a run for their money it happens because on the other side of the line are professional football players. No one is letting anyone win games.

 

[Rogah]

I don't know? Is there? Can you name me these federal laws concerning rigged outcomes?

To say you "don't know" whether or not there is legal gambling on WWE means you're either a complete moron or just being deliberately belligerent and not interested in intelligent debate. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are just being belligerent.

I don't know what federal or state laws tell us murder and rape is illegal either, but that doesn't mean I am wrong when I say they are.

Regardless, you seem to think that just because there are laws against something, people can't get away with things. There were NFL "laws" against what the Pats did. It didn't prevent them from cheating their way to SBs.

No, there are rules against what the Patriots did, there are not laws against what the Patriots did. Huge difference.

So, people can't bet on total points in a game either? No one lost money on that?

I don't know off hand what the over/under was on last night's game but regardless, the amounts of money wagered on over/unders is miniscule compared to the amounts of money wagered on the game itself. For the league to rig a game based on the over/under wagers would be like breaking into a bank vault and taking rolls of pennies with stacks of 100's sitting right there next to the pennies.

There's absolutely no logic whatsoever in your claim. The NFL has no incentive to fix games. There's just no reward in rigging outcomes. But the risk is the complete destruction of the entire league as a going entity. Why would a business entity risk it's entire existence by doing something that would not benefit them in any way...?

IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION: All along, you've been talking about the league rigging outcomes of games, and then you've demonstrated your ignorance on a wide variety of matters. But let me state for the record that I am not saying that individuals, whether refs or players, will sometimes act in a manner to try and rig an outcome. There are plenty of examples of individuals being caught. But the League as a whole is not rigging outcomes.

 

[jimmy40]

You do realize that the NFL is sports "entertainment" right?

I'm not saying the NFL "fixed" the outcome of the game before it started and that plays are "scripted". Obviously, they thought the Pats would surely hand it to the Bills, but...it didn't turn out how it was supposed to. I'm merely saying they allowed the other team to win because of who they were, most likely because of how much money was involved in Vegas which is on the magnitude of tens of millions of dollars.

Sorry, I just think it's way too coincidental. I don't think it is so difficult to believe. This is a league that is allowed to destroy evidence and people simply will accept it, because the league knows how popular it is, and that people will eventually just forget about it. I find it surprising that people can't accept this notion, but they repeatedly, year in and year out, accept that NFL reffing continues to be bad.

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[SultanOfSix]

To say you "don't know" whether or not there is legal gambling on WWE means you're either a complete moron or just being deliberately belligerent and not interested in intelligent debate. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are just being belligerent.

There is another possibility and that is simply the fact that I don't know.

I don't know what federal or state laws tell us murder and rape is illegal either, but that doesn't mean I am wrong when I say they are.

I did not ask you to "name" the laws, just simply provide some evidence that there are laws in place against such an activity the violation of which can result in prosecution.

No, there are rules against what the Patriots did, there are not laws against what the Patriots did. Huge difference.

That's why I put "laws" in quotes. But obviously that wasn't the point.

I don't know off hand what the over/under was on last night's game

It was 47 points. The outcome of the game resulted in 49. You do the math.

but regardless, the amounts of money wagered on over/unders is miniscule compared to the amounts of money wagered on the game itself. For the league to rig a game based on the over/under wagers would be like breaking into a bank vault and taking rolls of pennies with stacks of 100's sitting right there next to the pennies.

How would you really know? Have you ever actually investigated how much money actually takes place changing hands during a week of football?

There's absolutely no logic whatsoever in your claim. The NFL has no incentive to fix games. There's just no reward in rigging outcomes. But the risk is the complete destruction of the entire league as a going entity. Why would a business entity risk it's entire existence by doing something that would not benefit them in any way...?

I'd like to see the day a multi-billion dollar industry that is so ingrained in this society is simply destroyed on such a premise. If you think this is ever plausible, you have no clue about the power of money.

You presume to think that I believe that the entire NFL is rigged, or that most games are fixed. No way.