Blame Game

[InmanRoshi]

In the cold weather at Philly with Vinny at QB, yes 25 carries for 80 yards was a good game. George would have had 40 yards if he was the running back that game. There are good reasons to be critical of Julius Jones, but you picked a couple of poor examples because he played well against Baltimore and Philly in 2004.

Sorry, I guess we just have a difference of standards. I don't consider 2.7 ypc to be a great game, no matter how you slice it. Saying that he did better than a guy who should have been retired, for all intents and purposes, really doesn't make a case for him either.

I think at the time we wanted it to be great, because we certainly needed something to be optimistic by that point. We grabbed onto anything we could, and Julius Mania ran strong that year. Especially with the brilliance of the two Seattle games. But Julius got a lot of carries in other games simply because we just really didn't have anyone else to give the ball to.

 

[SupermanXx]

In the cold weather at Philly with Vinny at QB, yes 25 carries for 80 yards was a good game. George would have had 40 yards if he was the running back that game. There are good reasons to be critical of Julius Jones, but you picked a couple of poor examples because he played well against Baltimore and Philly in 2004.

oh GOD I think I just threw up... please don't remind me of that guy.... PLEASE..

 

[Idgit]

He certainly didn't play well in ALL the games. He played excellent in 3. He played mediocre to poorly in 4 others.

30 carries - 81 yards - 2.7 ypc against Baltimore
22 carries - 57 yards - 2.6 ypc against Washington
25 carries - 80 yards - 3.2 ypc again Philly.

I guess after you've grown accustomed to watching a semi-retired Eddie George run the ball for half a season that 25 carries for 80 yards suddenly looks like a great game, but its really not.

Jones ran really well in B'more v. a really good run defense. Playing well and getting a bunch of yards aren't always the same thing. IIRC, that 81 was a season high for a RB against Baltimore.

Say if you want that Jones is streaky or hasn't delivered on his promise in Dallas, but there's very little you can be critical of regarding the way he ran the ball at the end of 2004. He was a game breaking back with a world of promise in 2004.

 

[joseephuss]

Sorry, I guess we just have a difference of standards. I don't consider 2.7 ypc to be a great game, no matter how you slice it. Saying that he did better than a guy who should have been retired, for all intents and purposes, really doesn't make a case for him either.

I think at the time we wanted it to be great, because we certainly needed something to be optimistic by that point. We grabbed onto anything we could, and Julius Mania ran strong that year. Especially with the brilliance of the two Seattle games. But Julius got a lot of carries in other games simply because we just really didn't have anyone else to give the ball to.

I didn't say great. I said good. I would not have brought up George if you had not brought him into the mix earlier. Julius did good for the circumstances late in 2004. Bad team, very bad QB, bad o-line, bad full back, Glenn injured, Keyshawn not a big threat and anything else.

That was 2004, this is now. I don't think Julius now is the same back. At least he does not play the same. I don't believe the conspiracy theory of Parcells reigning him in, but it is obvious he is different for whatever reason. I could care less what the reason is, but he needs to play like he did in 2004 to really help Dallas. And that is good play not great. I never expected him to be a great player, but not every player needs to be great to help a team. It sure is nice to have great players such as an Emmitt or Tony, but sometime you have to rely on a good player until you find the next great one.

 

[Maxmadden]

In all the games last year I can't recall one time JJ would run it up in the hole and then bounce it outside. This should be where JJ shines, bouncing it outside. I think BP told him to take what is there and not try to get cute.

MB3 bounced it outside and had success. I think BP was satisfied with JJ taking what he could get straight up the middle with 2 hands on the ball and using up the clock.

We'll know soon enough. I don't think JJ will be a great back but he has the tools to be a really good back.

 

[firehawk350]

I didn't say great. I said good. I would not have brought up George if you had not brought him into the mix earlier. Julius did good for the circumstances late in 2004. Bad team, very bad QB, bad o-line, bad full back, Glenn injured, Keyshawn not a big threat and anything else.

That was 2004, this is now. I don't think Julius now is the same back. At least he does not play the same. I don't believe the conspiracy theory of Parcells reigning him in, but it is obvious he is different for whatever reason. I could care less what the reason is, but he needs to play like he did in 2004 to really help Dallas. And that is good play not great. I never expected him to be a great player, but not every player needs to be great to help a team. It sure is nice to have great players such as an Emmitt or Tony, but sometime you have to rely on a good player until you find the next great one.

I just like the idea that Parcells did nothing but hold people back. It's just ********...

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't see the Cowboys FO blaming anybody. Hell, they could've thrown Zimmer under the bus and played it off like he left because BP was leaving. What really happened is that Jones was fed up with his defense's underachieving and didn't want him back, but was professional about it.

The people criticizing the scheme are the *players*, and even they are being professional about it. But you can tell by the way they are speaking, they really didn't like the scheme on defense and Owens didn't like the scheme on offense (although I don't think he'll ever be happy with any scheme).

Anybody thinking that the scheme can't work is foolish or doesn't watch teams like the Pats play or the Ravens play when Mike Nolan was the D-Coordinator. The problem was that the instructor (Zimmer) just isn't a good coach. And while Parcells shares some of the blame for taking him, Jones shares just as much blame for suggesting to Parcells about keeping him around when Parcells was originally hired.




YAKUZA

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He certainly didn't play well in ALL the games. He played excellent in 3. He played mediocre to poorly in 4 others.

30 carries - 81 yards - 2.7 ypc against Baltimore
22 carries - 57 yards - 2.6 ypc against Washington
25 carries - 80 yards - 3.2 ypc again Philly.

I guess after you've grown accustomed to watching a semi-retired Eddie George run the ball for half a season that 25 carries for 80 yards suddenly looks like a great game, but its really not.

To a certain extent you're right. But I remember Emitt racking up many games like that too.

Let's not forget that Jones ended up with a 4.1 ypc average and that doesn't include his wonderful game vs. Seattle.

Yeah, the guy has to get better... and I think with an improved o-line and maybe a different mindset he'll get up around 4.4 ypc (or more).

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't see the Cowboys FO blaming anybody. Hell, they could've thrown Zimmer under the bus and played it off like he left because BP was leaving. What really happened is that Jones was fed up with his defense's underachieving and didn't want him back, but was professional about it.

The people criticizing the scheme are the *players*, and even they are being professional about it. But you can tell by the way they are speaking, they really didn't like the scheme on defense and Owens didn't like the scheme on offense (although I don't think he'll ever be happy with any scheme).

Anybody thinking that the scheme can't work is foolish or doesn't watch teams like the Pats play or the Ravens play when Mike Nolan was the D-Coordinator. The problem was that the instructor (Zimmer) just isn't a good coach. And while Parcells shares some of the blame for taking him, Jones shares just as much blame for suggesting to Parcells about keeping him around when Parcells was originally hired.




YAKUZA

Rich I don't think it would have mattered who the DC was... this was BP's scheme through and through. His peanut-butter covered fingerprints are all over this and quite frankly I don't think he would have done anything different with any other DC.