Blog: Figuring The Roster

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By Will Parchman | August 3rd, 2008


As this years’ training camp continues on, it’s becoming clear that it’s strikingly, well, typical. No huge stories, no uber intriguing battles between fan faves and established vets — which is odd considering Hard Knocks picked this year to visit. The Amendola vs. The World, Anthony Henry vs. his own ego and Marcus Spears vs. his own inadequacies are what we’ve had to settle for, what with all the “Romo ready for action” and “TO gelling with Pacman” fluff pieces. So while the offense still has a few unknowns, the defense pretty much has its top 11 or 12 guys… it just depends on where you’re playing them. So I’ve taken the liberty of arranging the D how I’d like to see it in Cleveland Week 1.

This is how I’d like to see it in the 3-4:

Ratliff — Tank — Spears
Ellis — Thomas — Bradie — Ware
Jones — Hamlin — Henry — Newman

And then Nickel:

Canty — Ratliff — Tank — Hatcher
Roy — Ware – Jenkins
Jones — Hamlin — Henry — Newman

That’s, of course, contingent on Henry proving his worth at SS, but there’s no reason to think he can’t. The only worry is Roy’s fragile ego cracking even more. His progression probably has to start at the line of scrimmage. If he can pile on a few big hits like he used to, he’ll start his confidence back up again. Who knows if that’s realistic, though. I like seeing Roy closer to the line because he doesn’t have enough time to improperly diagnose plays like he’s wont to do, overthinking the situation and allowing the play to roll right by him, which happened more frequently by the week last season. His speed and agility is fine — he’s just got to take more time to break down on his tackles and less time breaking down how quickly that tight end just came out of his break.
Upon closer inspection, the D-Line is really better suited for a four-man set. Canty and Spears seem to understand fine that 3-4 linemen don’t produce numbers, but they don’t seem happy about it. The more they fail to generate a pass rush, the more the media starts asking questions, and then you get their defensive sides in spades. They have a point, of course — 3-4 d-linemen aren’t really supposed to do much aside from eat blockers. I can’t imagine getting double-teamed on almost every play, having to fight off blockers constantly so the guys behind you can reap the benefits. Has to be frustrating then when people say you’re not producing. If Bradie James is getting 100+ tackles, these guys are over-producing. But still, we’d probably have a 10+ sack guy on this line (my bet’s on Ratliff) if the Cowboys played a 4-3 more often. But the team is more skilled and deeper at LB as is, so I wouldn’t change the base set back.

I’ll come back to this list throughout the preseason, editing as necessary depending on player performance, injuries or anything else that crops up.

Some quick shots:

* Doug Free is following up on his solid August from last year with a repeat performance. Numerous reports say that Free looks as good as any young lineman on the roster, and the fact that he can swing to either tackle position is equally as impressive. He’s been working primarily behind Flozell at LT, where he’s been impressing with a combination of quick choppy footwork and strong arms. Personally, Free’s my favorite young backup, and his injury last year was pretty disconcerting. But he appears not to have lost a step. Unfortunately the team seems content on shepherding Hotel out into pasture with his recent contract extension. He’s falling into the Larry Allen trap, allowing his size and brute strength to carry him in his old age. He’s okay for now, but he’s undeservingly called a top 3 tackle in the league. He’s top 10 at best, and he declines exponentially with age. Having a guy like Free in the backburner will be a welcome relief. This is a wait-for-preseason kind of position.

* Oft overlooked is the decision on who returns kicks and punts. It seems a given that Pacman will get punt detail and some kind of Felix/Austin combo on kickoffs, but watching Stanback and Mike Jenkins fight for those positions will be an interesting watch in the coming weeks


http://mvn.com/nfl-cowboys/2008/08/03/figuring-the-roster-defense-edition/
 

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PosterChild;2174056 said:
Unfortunately the team seems content on shepherding Hotel out into pasture with his recent contract extension. He’s falling into the Larry Allen trap, allowing his size and brute strength to carry him in his old age. He’s okay for now, but he’s undeservingly called a top 3 tackle in the league. He’s top 10 at best, and he declines exponentially with age.
That is a little harsh for a LT who gave up one sack last year.

As with the all the other positions, I like to see the young guys like Free get more playing time this year.
 

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That’s, of course, contingent on Henry proving his worth at SS, but there’s no reason to think he can’t. The only worry is Roy’s fragile ego cracking even more.

Yeah, no reason aside from the fact that Henry shows up on the injury report more often than not.

From everything that I have read, Roy is having a pretty good camp.
 

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Good stuff, but no way do I start Spears at RDE over Canty.

I disagree strongly with his assessment of Flo, too.

Henry's ego?
 

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big dog cowboy;2174065 said:
That is a little harsh for a LT who gave up one sack last year.


Jean Jacqes Taylor would agree:


As I mentioned earlier this week, I think Flozell Adams is the most underrated player on the roster. Hamlin is probably No.2.
 

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Will Parchman said:
This is how I’d like to see it in the 3-4:

Ratliff — Tank — Spears
Ellis — Thomas — Bradie — Ware
Jones — Hamlin — Henry — Newman

And then Nickel:

Canty — Ratliff — Tank — Hatcher
Roy — Ware – Jenkins
Jones — Hamlin — Henry — Newman
What's he smoking?
 

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PosterChild;2174056 said:
And then Nickel:

Canty — Ratliff — Tank — Hatcher

Eh? Canty and Hatcher at DE in a nickel? I don't think so.

How about:

Ware - Ratliff - Tank - Spencer

I really don't want 300+ lbs 3-4 DEs as DE on a four man line. It's just not really smart to have someone over 300 pounds trying to cover a RB in the flat.
 

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theogt;2174288 said:
What's he smoking?

No kidding.

Though I can't say I disagree with: Jones - Hamlin - Henry - Newman manning CB and Safety positions.
 

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Ben_n_austin;2174062 said:
Parchy usually writes a good article. He started here first, I think.
You have a good memory. He is a member here.
 

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Nothing about this blog 'figures out the roster'. The rest just reaks of Madden.
 

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Ben_n_austin;2174062 said:
Parchy usually writes a good article. He started here first, I think.

All the great ones hone their craft here on CZ.

































A few hone their crap...
 

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yikes! really bad personnel advice in there and the article is about personnel advice so I gotta say... weak article.

There is no way Spears is a better DE than Canty, and that's not my call it is the team's. Spears is playing inside while Ratliff, Tank and Canty work together.
Spears is a backup caliber player thus the move allows Dallas to play its top 3 DL at the same time.

And the Flo stuff is old garbage.
He has been in the best shape of his career the past two seasons and if anything has stepped up his off-season conditioning. Last year was one of his best pro seasons. He has been up and down throughout his career but the Larry Allen stuff is about 3 years too old.
 

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Hostile;2174320 said:
You have a good memory. He is a member here.


He tests everything with us.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2171649&postcount=6

parchy;2171649 said:
Spencer over Ellis?

This is how I'd like it to be:

Ratliff -- Tank -- Spears
Ellis -- Thomas -- Bradie -- Ware
Jones -- Hamlin -- Henry -- Newman

And then Nickel:

Canty -- Ratliff -- Tank -- Hatcher
Roy -- Ware -- Jenkins
Jones -- Hamlin -- Henry -- Newman


That's, of course, contingent on Henry proving his worth at SS, but there's no reason to think he can't. The only worry is Roy's fragile ego cracking even more. His progression probably has to start at the line of scrimmage. If he can pile on a few big hits like he used to, he'll start his confidence back up again. Who knows if that's realistic, though.

Our D-Line is really better suited for a four-man line. Canty and Spears seem to understand fine that 3-4 linemen don't produce numbers, but they don't seem happy about it. I can't imagine getting double-teamed on almost every play, having to fight off blockers constantly so the guys behind you can reap the benefits. Has to be frustrating then when people say you're not producing. If Bradie James is getting 100+ tackles, these guys are over-producing. But still, we'd probably have a 10+ sack guy on this line (my bet's on Ratliff) if we played a 4-3 more often. But we're more skilled and deeper at LB as is, so I wouldn't change the base set back.


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Spears and Ratliff starting to DE? Who is subbing at DT and why in the world would they put our best DE in Canty on the bench?

If they did move Ratliff to DE it would Canty and Ratliff at DE and Tank and Spears at DT.

I doubt Roy is riding the pine on first and second downs either.

Everything Ive read has stated Adams is in the best shape of his career and having a great camp.
 

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Some good critical analysis here of the author's article.

I do like his take on Free, though. I have one my hunches that he's is the most capable young backup we have. Some would argue Proctor or Berger but they appear to be solid,dependable backups. I hope Parcells doesn't come sniffin round lookin for some OL help.
 

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PosterChild;2174341 said:
All the great ones hone their craft here on CZ.

A few hone their crap...

My crap was already well-honed when I got here... there was no better place in the world to hone your crap than the Cowboys' newsgroup back in its glory days (before spammers did what the trolls couldn't)...
 
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