Blog: Tiki responds to Eli's criticisms... Ronde joins in

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Memo to Tiki: Please Let it Go Already

“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”

Ok, I just had to do it. I gave up two hours of my beloved 70s music (no comments from the peanut gallery, please) to become a first-time listener of “The Barber Shop,” the weekly in-season radio program hosted by Tiki and Ronde Barber on Sirius Radio because I just knew that the topic of Eli Manning would dominate the program.

Tiki and Ronde did not disappoint as they took numerous verbal shots at Manning’s response to Tiki’s Sunday night criticism about his leadership ability. Somewhere in that program, Tiki tried to make light of the rather childish war of words which he himself started when he called Manning’s leadership “comical” during halftime of the Giants-Ravens national broadcast.

Instead of taking the high road, what you had during the two hour program were a couple of brothers engaging in playful conversation which probably would have been better kept in private. For those who missed it, here are some gems from the Barber boys:

* They made fun of Eli’s pre-game speeches, going so far as to mimic an uncertain guy rehearsing his inflection in front of a mirror to see what tone sounded better.

* Tiki took exception to Manning’s statement that Tiki quit on the team as son as his retirement plans became public knowledge and that he had no heart. In fact, Barber was not shy about reminding listeners that he single-handedly won the Giants 2006 regular season finale against Washington which put them into the playoffs.

* Tiki confessed that he was upset with the Giants’ decision to part ways with Kerry Collins, whom he felt was still a serviceable quarterback and a good locker room leader, in favor of Manning.
Tiki said he hopes that he and Eli will eventually be able to look back at this and get a good laugh, though later on he said he didn’t care if he and Eli weren’t friends any more.

* Tiki also skewed the details surrounding the announcement of his retirement, saying that it wasn’t as though he asked New York Times writer John Branch to write the story (though what he fails to acknowledge is that unless the very talented Branch has a hidden talent as a mind-reader – and if he did, I doubt he’d still be in journalism -- there’s no way Branch could have known that he was planning to retire were it not for something Barber said that day).

As the twin brothers continued to joke about the topic, the one thing that Tiki did say that I found interesting was that he hopes that Manning is still miffed with him because, as Tiki put it, whenever his critics reared their opinions, it always drove him to perform better because they showed him his faults.

So wait a minute. Was Tiki actually trying to help Manning?

I doubt it. Tiki has to realize that he and Manning are two different people who get their motivation from different stimulants. Just because Tiki relishes the harsh words of his critics doesn’t mean that Manning is of that school of thought. If Tiki thinks that playing the role of Eli’s most prominent critic is going to help the young quarterback perform better on all levels, then he’s just not thinking this through.

I’m well aware of the old adage that “the pen is mightier than the sword.” I don’t think there’s a journalist out there who hasn’t had a personality clash with a figure they’ve covered – and I’m certainly no exception. But there comes a time when you have to just walk away from a situation and let it go, else you risk ruining your credibility, even if what you say is in jest or if you have a hidden agenda.

In my honest view, I think Tiki is taking a huge risk with his credibility in attacking his former teammates. The sooner he can learn to say “no comment” instead of taking the bait every time someone puts it out there, the better for all involved.

If Tiki is sincere in what he said, that he lets his critics point out his flaws so he can rectify them, then I certainly hope that come Wednesday when the story makes the back pages of the New York papers, he reads the columns carefully and rectifies this self-destructive flaw he seems to have developed every time Eli Manning or Tom Coughlin is mentioned.

Thanks for reading.

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Barber Twits Twins Slam Eli Manning Again: He is Laughable

Posted Aug 21st 2007 8:37PM by Dan Benton
Filed under: NY Giants, NFL Gossip, New York

Did anyone actually think that the Eli Manning/Tiki Barber feud would end after only a few short days? Did anyone actually think that Barber would allow Manning to have the last word?

If you thought either of those things, you'd be wrong -- and you'd be foolish.

Barber made it a point to address Manning's comments tonight on Siruis Radio's "Barber Shop." He also recruited some help in attempt to further damage Eli's reputation. Twin brother Ronde Barber accompanied Tiki on the set and joyously joined in on a pathetically immature mocking of the New York Giants quarterback.

It was a constant barrage for almost two hours with Ronde making comments about Eli's "testes finally dropping" and Tiki adding that "Kerry Collins was a true leader," claiming the Giants "shouldn't have let him go." They also added that Eli's return-fire was "laughable" and that Tiki is part of the media now and it's his job to be controversial.

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Now that the real Tiki has shown himself, a few things have become blatantly obvious. Unlike Lawrence Taylor, Phil Simms and Harry Carson who are ex-Giants, Tiki is just an ex-football player. It's clear that he couldn't care less about the organization and only about himself. Additionally, he has also proven exactly what's wrong with the media when he stated that it's his job to be controversial.

Oddly enough, he fails to realize that his job also involves quality analysis. He's not going to be taken seriously if he continues to make bogus comments like suggesting Kerry Collins was a "true leader." In all fairness to Collins, he was an alcoholic who stumbled his way through an NFL career and got lucky one year with the Giants when the offensive line jelled together for a single fluke season and the defense over-performed. His true leadership skills were exposed in that horrid Super Bowl loss to Baltimore -- a game in which Tiki Barber was rendered irrelevant.

And amongst all the foolish things that spewed from Tiki's mouth, he claimed that he would have been a surefire Hall of Famer had his heart remained in it. Ironic, because he seemed to "lose his heart" when Tom Coughlin came to town, which was actually the moment he became a legitimate running back and stood an actual chance of being considered for football's greatest honor.

Perhaps TiVi is forgetful, so I'll do him a favor and refresh his memory.

Prior to 2004, Tiki Barber was better known for his fumbling problems than his leadership or on-field performances. In fact, the very media that he currently works with questioned him as he now questions Eli. I remember it like it was yesterday: "Barber fumbles again;" "Barber drops the ball;" "Giants need a quality running back to compete."

And finally, who is Ronde Barber to say anything? In a sport where names are made based on victories, Manning is 1-0 against Mr. I wish I was as famous as Tiki.

Read more about TiVi and Ronde's attack on Eli at Inside Football.

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LOL

The question becomes, who would you rather see end up with egg on his face? Tiki or Eli?

As for myself, Eli, because he's still active.
 

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Hostile;1604253 said:
LOL

The question becomes, who would you rather see end up with egg on his face? Tiki or Eli?

As for myself, Eli, because he's still active.

Tiki, cuz he's a ****ing dumbarse, I can't stand him
 

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Tiki Barber undermined his coach, and he said that his "heart wasn't in it anymore". When they lost to the Panthers, he publically called the coaches out.

Barber likes to point the finger at people. He doesn't remember that before Coughlin got to N.Y. he was just a fumbler.

He broke a locker-room code when he talked smack about Manning on T.V. The Giants are better off without his big loud mouth.
 

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I'm actually shocked that it only took this long for Tiki to show his true colors on a national scale. He's about as classless as it gets. Listening to the Barber Shop is like listening to a couple spoiled teenage girls. Seriously, those guys give the Lugana Beach girls a run for their money for the vapid [female dog] of the year award.
 

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I haven't heard/seen the Barbers performance but based on your comments am appalled. I think Kiki passed the bounds of a teammate 2 of more years ago so this current criticizing of Eli isn't surprising. What does amaze me is why in the world his twin brother (defensive player for the Bucs) would participate in this show is beyond common sense. Is Ronde trying to get a television career started in NY? Or does he think it will help me in Tampa? Some fans probably find this latest incident entertainment but as a football fan I'd be absolutely disgusted if any Dallas player ever did this. As far as I'm concerned, the Barber twins are trash and somebody should throw them out in the garbage.
 

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Mushnick's take is exactly right.


JUST AN OPINION: TIKI DID HIS JOB

By PHIL MUSHNICK
NY Post

August 24, 2007 -- WELCOME to my world, Tiki Barber.

For better or worse, Barber is now paid for his opinion, and, for better or worse, he provided it. And his opinion spoken Sunday night on NBC about Eli Manning wasn't preposterous. Neither was his timing: Barber spoke at halftime of NBC's telecast of a Giants game.

And he said what many Giants fans have been saying to one another for a while. Although that doesn't mean they're right, either.

It's just that a lot of former players who are paid to give their opinions wouldn't dare, thus what Barber said became a shock to our systems. We're much more accustomed to former players on such shows laughing too loud and too often at nothing, or posing misapplied stats as insight, or ignoring a dozen dropped passes in favor of QB ratings.

So maybe Barber won't have the greatest relationship with the team he starred for. But that's what happens when you're paid for your opinion and you actually meet the terms of your engagement.

Barber may not be welcomed at the reunions, but that's how it goes if you do it right. As long as his opinions are credible and aren't delivered in a self-serving, "Look, Ma, I'm criticizing!" style, Barber may have to settle for the respect of his TV audience, at least those who understand that, for better or worse, he's paid to provide his opinion.

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What a shame. The NAACP never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

It might have, in anticipation of Michael Vick's guilty plea, first declared that far too many financially advantaged black professional athletes engage in criminal behavior, dog fighting included. And that in service to the NAACP's mission of social advancement, such behavior must stop.

Instead, the NAACP posed Vick as the victim of racism as opposed to dogs being the victims of Vick.

Though it stands to reason that Vick, among the best quarterbacks in the NFL, would receive more attention as the leader of a dog fighting operation than would a man of any color previously unknown to us, the NAACP instead seized upon the case to declare that Vick is being unfairly treated because he is black.

That further implies that if Vick had been a fabulous and famous white athlete about to plea to operating a dog fighting ring, he'd be shown greater regard and understanding. That's nonsense. The John Rockers and Jimmy the Greeks break no laws yet pay with their careers.

And in predictably rationalized, pandering fashion, the NAACP, in support of Vick, remains more eager to run backward than to step up.
 

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anybody notice how arrogant tiki became once he started to become a good rb at 29 years old?
 

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Tiki is a girl... just like he sounds...

If he were a real man he would have told the producers/directors to focus on this season and everything going forward... there was no need to talk about last year with Eli and Giants team... BUT.. this IS tiki... he did while on the team... he was a distraction for them the last few years as a player and NOW he will be distraction for them as an ANAList.... its quite disturbing... I dont like it.
 

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We have our own problems, then to be worrying about the little giants.....
 

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What you say may be true but that doesn't explain the need to bring in his twin brother form another team as support or to lend credibility to his comments. Young boys need to bring in support from family or friends -- real men don't have the need to do that.
 
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