Bob McGinn Draft Series: Rating the NFL Draft Prospects: Defensive Backs

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1. JALEN RAMSEY, Florida State (6-1, 207, 4.38, 1): Two scouts said he was every bit the prospect that Patrick Peterson was in 2011. "He's the best DB I've seen since Peterson," said one. "Complete player. Only thing I didn't like is he gets a lot of safety help. You didn't see him isolated much." Third-year junior from Smyrna, Tenn. "As a safety he can be all-world – like right now," a second scout said. "He's not ready-made like that as a corner but he's got potential to be all-world there, too. He's a press-man corner. Using his length. There are some flaws when he's in off (coverage)." Started 41 games at both corner and safety, finishing with 180 tackles (15 ½ for loss), 3 interceptions and 23 passes broken up (PBUs). "Charles (Woodson) was a ball magnet," said a third scout. "Ramsey has had very little contact with the ball. People say, 'Well, they stayed away from him.' To me, you either have that or you don't know. With his length (33 3/8-inch arms) and speed he can definitely play outside. As a slot corner against really quality cat-quick receivers, I don't know. As a safety he's a wrap, drag-down tackler, not a bona fide big-time striker." Led the top CBs in the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test (24), vertical jump (41 ½ inches) and broad jump (11-3). "Look at his career interceptions," a fourth scout said. "I can count 'em on one hand. Apparently he doesn't have eyes or feel or vision. I think he's fool's gold."

2. VERNON HARGREAVES, Florida (5-10 ½, 206, 4.50, 1): Father, Vernon, coaches linebackers at Arkansas. "He's an outstanding technician," one scout said. "His ability to know what's going on allows him to stay a step ahead. That's how he survives, to be honest with you. When it comes to raw physical ability there are better corners in this draft." Third-year junior from Tampa. "Super kid," another scout said. "Great family. Very smart (Wonderlic of 20) and articulate. Looks more like a running back. Thick. That's the only thing I worry about." Three-year starter finished with 121 tackles (three for loss), 10 picks and 27 PBUs. "In the top 10? No way for me," said a third scout. "He's short and I saw him get beat a lot over the last two years. Huge reputation, good player. But, boy, he's not a shutdown corner in my mind." Vertical jump of 39. "He'll be a bust," a fourth scout said. "But based on talent he is the second-best corner."

1. KARL JOSEPH, West Virginia (5-9 ½, 206, 4.55, 2): Possibly the hardest hitter in the draft. "He will separate you from your helmet," said one scout. "He hits you, the play is over. He's knocked out I think eight people in his career. For a guy that is an absolute meteorite as a tackler, he's a pretty good tackler, too. Before he got hurt this year he had five interceptions in (four) games. His biggest questions are height and prolonged durability." Suffered a torn ACL in practice but is on schedule to play this season. "Love this kid," said another scout. "Bright, humble. He's built well, he will hold up physically and he can cover." Started 42 games, finishing with 194 tackles (16 ½ for loss), 9 picks and 8 PBUs. "Oh, man, he's tough as hell," said a third scout. "He's something else." From Orlando, Fla. Wonderlic of 18.

2. VONN BELL, Ohio State (5-11, 201, 4.52, 2-3): Third-year junior. "There's your free safety," one scout said. "He's got corner traits. Drops down, plays the spot. Does a lot of things good, nothing great. He's not a banger but he's a solid tackler. You think of him as a cover safety. Plays the post. Very good ball skills. Good speed, not great." Started 28 of 42 games, finishing with 176 tackles (four for loss), 9 picks and 15 PBUs. "He's a starter in the league," a second scout said. "He's more your intangible guy. I don't think there's anything special about him. Average size, average speed. He'd be third round at best." From Rossville, Ga. Wonderlic of 16. "A lot of hype because the program he went to and their success," said a third scout. "I feel he is way overrated. He doesn't play very strong. He falls off tackles."
 

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. "Ramsey has had very little contact with the ball. People say, 'Well, they stayed away from him.' To me, you either have that or you don't know. With his length (33 3/8-inch arms) and speed he can definitely play outside. As a slot corner against really quality cat-quick receivers, I don't know. As a safety he's a wrap, drag-down tackler, not a bona fide big-time striker." Led the top CBs in the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test (24), vertical jump (41 ½ inches) and broad jump (11-3). "Look at his career interceptions," a fourth scout said. "I can count 'em on one hand. Apparently he doesn't have eyes or feel or vision. I think he's fool's gold."

Not what I want to hear about the 4th pick in the draft yet some here will be doing cart wheels on Thursday.
 

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Man I really like Joseph and was hoping we could get him with our second pick but I don't think he will last that long. Actually my plan was to draft Wentz, than Joseph but the Eagles screwed up that plan.
 

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Not the glowing reviews I expected from Ramsey. Give me Bosa.

Bob Quinn makes sure that the better prospects get an extra line or two. And he specifically seeks out a negative comment to include--which is fine as long as the readers understand that. I did notice there wasn't much negative in the Zeke write-up though...which is not surprising.

The 3 ints--whether they avoided him or not--is worth a mention.
He's going to be great though.
 
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There are some quality safeties in this draft. I like pretty much all of the top guys listed here.

Joseph at 34 would probably be the ideal second round pick
 

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Come on Jerry trust your wildcatter instincts, don't buy the 'fool's gold'.
 

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Im not buying it about Ramsey. Now his tackling is an issue? Lol . Gotta love anonymous scouts popping off
 

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Man I really like Joseph and was hoping we could get him with our second pick but I don't think he will last that long. Actually my plan was to draft Wentz, than Joseph but the Eagles screwed up that plan.

He is coming off a major injury,a good chance he will be there at 34.I like Bosa and Joseph or Ramsey or Butler/Hargrove combo in the top 2 RDs.
 

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I also like Justin simmons but not sure if we are looking at him.
 

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Id rather Ramsey and Sterling Shepard. Noah Spence wint really do anything this year as far as im concerned. Get a dline guy round 3 who will be as much of a project as Spence
 
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