Bob McGinn speaks to unnamed nfl scouts on prospects

[InmanRoshi]

That last line about if a G isn't perfect you don't take him in Round 1 because otherwise there isn't much difference with a 4th rounder was obviously a Cowboys scout.

No it's every team, which is why they hardly ever get drafted with a Top 20 pick. Teams hate taking them in the first round. Whether a guard blasts his guy off the ball by 5 yards or merely adequately seals the hole the outcome is the same regardless of aesthetics... just one guy on the defensive front 7 is blocked, and it's rarely the defensive's most cataclysmic game changing player.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Would be fascinated to hear rumblings on Margus Hunt. How far can dreams of JJ Watt propel someone's stock?

 

[Future]

1 - Cooper
2 - Thomas
3 - Sly Williams

That's what I would hope for I think....though I'm not sure the second 2 will be there when we pick.

 

[DFWJC]

1 - Cooper
2 - Thomas
3 - Sly Williams

That's what I would hope for I think....though I'm not sure the second 2 will be there when we pick.

That would be sweet.
I can't see see Sly slipping to the 3rd though...almost a better chance of him in the 2nd and a safety in the 3rd.

 

[Future]

That would be sweet.
I can't see see Sly slipping to the 3rd though...almost a better chance of him in the 2nd and a safety in the 3rd.

Yea, but there are so many good DTs, I think its possible.

And I like Thomas more than most of the other safeties, which is why I'd prefer to go there in the 2nd and DT after.

If JG wouldn't take players off the board, we would have a lot more flexibility b/c I think you could get Bacarri Rambo in the 4th. Would allow us a lot more freedom to be creative with the first three picks, but instead, we'll use at least one of them on a WR/TE/RB who won't help us much, and miss out on a DT or OL....again.

 

[visionary]

1 - Cooper
2 - Thomas
3 - Sly Williams

That's what I would hope for I think....though I'm not sure the second 2 will be there when we pick.

1. Cooper
2. Sly Williams
3. Swearinger
4. BPA

 

[DFWJC]

1. Cooper
2. Sly Williams
3. Swearinger
4. BPA

Odds are better that this could happen...imo

I do like Thomas though.

 

[xwalker]

Would be fascinated to hear rumblings on Margus Hunt. How far can dreams of JJ Watt propel someone's stock?

Hunt should have been much more productive in college. The only time he dominated was in the final game against a True-Freshman RT.

IMO, he didn't look that good at the Senior Bowl either.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Hunt should have been much more productive in college. The only time he dominated was in the final game against a True-Freshman RT.

IMO, he didn't look that good at the Senior Bowl either.

I've said this elsewhere, but I don't get why Ansah gets a complete pass for being new to football while Hunt doesn't. Not saying the guy should be a first round pick, but he seems to be hurt by the rawness of his ability in ways that other players don't seem to suffer from.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think people are higher on Ansah becuase they see progress in him as the season went along, how he seems play with naturally lower pad level despite his height and how quickly he picks up coaching. While Hunt seems to have plateaued in his development and still looks like the same guy he was at the end of last year.

 

[Future]

I think people are higher on Ansah becuase they see progress in him as the season went along, how he seems play with naturally lower pad level despite his height and how quickly he picks up coaching. While Hunt seems to have plateaued in his development and still looks like the same guy he was at the end of last year.

I like Ansah, but in reality, he was 23 playing against a lot of 20 and 21 year olds. That's a huge advantage, and will help anyone look more physically dominating.

I'm just really hesitant to draft a guy like that.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I like Ansah, but in reality, he was 23 playing against a lot of 20 and 21 year olds. That's a huge advantage, and will help anyone look more physically dominating.

True, but he was a 23 year old who just started playing football for two years playing against guys who have been playing football and lifting weights since they were pre-teens. His lack of conditioning and muscle endurance compared to the competition is pretty glaring.

 

[Future]

True, but he was a 23 year old who just started playing football for two years playing against guys who have been playing football and lifting weights since they were pre-teens. His lack of conditioning and muscle endurance compared to the competition is pretty glaring.

Yea, but the reason he's considered a great prospect is because of his elite athleticism. Being able to grow all the way into your body is more valuable than years of weight lifting when it comes to that.

 

[AmishCowboy]

Great post. Thanks for the read.

Love this everyyear!

 

[perrykemp]

Love this everyyear!

Listened to a podcast last year that featured McGinn -- they asked him why had some extraordinary access to NFL scouts and why they are willing to share information with him that they won't share with anyone else. His answers were:

• He has been in the business for a long time as a NFL writer
• He has never once failed on his journalistic integrity -- ie, not once in his entire career did he reveal a scout's name or provide any clue which team a scout was working for. Over the years, that has equated to scouts trusting him in ways they would never trust other writers, including their own home town writers

 

[L-O-Jete]

I've said this elsewhere, but I don't get why Ansah gets a complete pass for being new to football while Hunt doesn't. Not saying the guy should be a first round pick, but he seems to be hurt by the rawness of his ability in ways that other players don't seem to suffer from.

Because he's 26 IIRC, Hunt that is, Ansah is "old" too at 23, but not THAT "old".

 

[BAT]

Awesome thread. Love this guys stuff every year.


Couple guys on there I love...Frederick and Fluker.

I agree. Frederick has been my pet cat from the start. Warmack, Frederick and Fluker are old school Jimmy Johnson OL. Big, strong and nasty man blockers. Can you imagine those 3 in the center of our OL????

But our new emphasis on zone blocking will mean more guys like Tyron Smith (and Doug Free). Lighter, more agile & athletic with ability to block on the run.

So Cooper or Watson is our best bet. Maybe Armstead and/or Bailey if Cowboys continue trend of drafting OL in later rounds.

 

[L-O-Jete]

I agree. Frederick has been my pet cat from the start. Warmack, Frederick and Fluker are old school Jimmy Johnson OL. Big, strong and nasty man blockers. Can you imagine those 3 in the center of our OL????

But our new emphasis on zone blocking will mean more guys like Tyron Smith (and Doug Free). Lighter, more agile & athletic with ability to block on the run.

So Cooper or Watson is our best bet. Maybe Armstead and/or Bailey if Cowboys continue trend of drafting OL in later rounds.

If we get Armstead and Bailey in the later rounds (3rd or later) I would be ecstatic.

 

[Gaede]

Don't forget about Thomas, he moves very well. And Schwenke.

 

[BAT]

Because he's 26 IIRC, Hunt that is, Ansah is "old" too at 23, but not THAT "old".

Hunt is definitely more mature, but he has less wear and tear on his body due to his relative newness to the game. But his upside is off the charts. He is big (not just long), strong and fast. Bigger, faster and stronger than Ansah.

He has adjusted to ST more quickly (17 career blocked kicks) than he has on D (15 sacks, 25 TFL, 1 INT, FF) but I disagree with others saying Hunt has plateaued while Ansah is still learning. They are both projects, but Hunt is the more proven playmaker.

And as big as Hunt is now (6'8 280 lbs), the guy has room on his frame to get bigger. I am glad the Cowboys do not agree with some of you regarding this player. Cowboys met with Hunt at the SR Bowl, so there is interest (even before his crazy combine numbers). And it appears that Ravens are very high on Hunt as well.