Bob Sturm Blog: Random Cowboys Thoughts

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Posted on September 7th, 2009 9:59am by Bob Sturm
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Well, one week from today, I will be writing my first post-game summary of the season, and we will be making huge generalizations about the 2009 season based on what we saw on Sunday in Tampa. But, with 6 days until “go time”, we can still wonder what will be in that present we haven’t opened yet. Will the Cowboys be good enough in 2009? Will they have enough to compete with their division rivals, who many claim is the toughest division in football (don’t tell the AFC South and NFC North)? The truth will be told in very short order. Soon, I will look at the division rivals, but today, let’s scattershoot about this thing with a week to go:


* First, let’s get something straight about what I believe regarding the NFL. I believe that many teams have “good starters”. I believe what seperates the good from the bad in this league is your depth. It is your only chance to enter a 16 game meat grinder and emerge from the other side intact. This team’s single biggest weakness is its depth. It has very, very little. I think people get tired of me saying it, but I cannot tell a lie. I believe the ultimate un-doing of the season is going to be the very poor drafting for the last 4 drafts coming home to roost. Specifically, injuries to the OL, DL, LB, or DB will be devastating. You must draft with effectiveness, and you could make the case that the Cowboys have failed. For instance, a draft 4 seasons removed, like the 2006 draft should have yielded 3-4 starters to be great, or at least 2 to be solid. The Cowboys have exactly 0 starters from that draft. And, 2007, may hinge completely on Anthony Spencer proving he is the real deal and Doug Free proving he can enter a game and not get embarrassed.

Again, my concern is the depth of this team - and it is scary in a shallow sort of way. It might not be seen in September or October, but as the march continues, and soldiers get wounded, the reserves become starters. Then, we truly see how prepared your team is for a 16-20 game season. By the way, if this is true, and if your September is based on about your first 30 players, October on your first 35, November on your first 40, and December on your 45, would that explain the falling off of the team’s performance around the holidays? Just a quick theory to ponder. No depth equals trouble when injuries happen. And they always do.

* Why does the NFL have a 4th week of the preseason? I understand Romo or Favre sitting the game out, but when Gerald Sensabaugh doesn’t even wear shoulder pads (and he has eyeglasses on) and Bradie James has a cell phone on his hip - shouldn’t we reconsider how things are done in this league? Neither team played any starters? How can the NFL allow this nonsense? Talk about not paying any attention to your customers!

* One thing I wanted to get a handle on in camp was to evaluate the play of the two tackles who are one snap from being in the game. OT Doug Free (4th round ‘07) and OT Pat McQuistan (7th round ‘06) could both be called into duty. And because OT James Marten (3rd round ‘07) and Jacob Rogers (2nd round ‘04) are washed out of the organization completely, Free and McQ have to be able to play if Colombo or Adams ever get hurt. So here is what I have on them: Free looks like he can move better than McQ, but he also looks a bit weaker. So, you have Free who can get to the corner but can be pushed back, and McQ who can not get to the corner, but can drop anchor a bit better. Either way, I don’t think either guy is a long-term solution at tackle.

* Interesting and disconcerting to see Isaiah Stanback claimed by New England for many Cowboys fans, I am sure. But I think the Cowboys made an easy choice. 3 years is a lifetime in pro football, and Stanback had plenty of time to show he deserved a spot. Projects are part of the NFL, but at some point he has got to show you something. If the Patriots think he is a QB, then I wish them the best. He might be, but he is not a WR/KR/QB triple threat like the scouts here thought. Another wasted pick (#103 in 2007) that will further cost this team. You see, if you are taking a flyer on a player, you might do it much later on in the draft. But, when you do it near the top 100 picks, you really deplete your resources if you are wrong. And they were dead wrong on Stanback. The New York Giants next two picks after Stanback? LB Zak DeOssie and TE Kevin Boss. Two significant contributers to the Giants.

* It is time. You open against a team that doesn’t know who its QB should be, fired its OC last week, and is rolling with a coach who has never been anything above a DB coach in the NFL. To say the Cowboys must win a game like this is an extreme understatement. It would be a very bad sign not to take apart the Bucs on Sunday. I see Vegas has the Cowboys as a 5 1/2 point favorite.

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Yea the Cowboys failed with Stanback but goodness you can't hit on every draft pick. Some guys miss out on 1st round picks. When you think about it all of our best players were great finds in later rounds and hell some even undrafted like Romo.
 

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WoodysGirl;2926857 said:
Posted on September 7th, 2009 9:59am by



* First, let’s get something straight about what I believe regarding the NFL. I believe that many teams have “good starters”. I believe what seperates the good from the bad in this league is your depth. It is your only chance to enter a 16 game meat grinder and emerge from the other side intact. This team’s single biggest weakness is its depth. It has very, very little. I think people get tired of me saying it, but I cannot tell a lie. I believe the ultimate un-doing of the season is going to be the very poor drafting for the last 4 drafts coming home to roost. Specifically, injuries to the OL, DL, LB, or DB will be devastating. You must draft with effectiveness, and you could make the case that the Cowboys have failed. For instance, a draft 4 seasons removed, like the 2006 draft should have yielded 3-4 starters to be great, or at least 2 to be solid. The Cowboys have exactly 0 starters from that draft. And, 2007, may hinge completely on Anthony Spencer proving he is the real deal and Doug Free proving he can enter a game and not get embarrassed.

Again, my concern is the depth of this team - and it is scary in a shallow sort of way. It might not be seen in September or October, but as the march continues, and soldiers get wounded, the reserves become starters. Then, we truly see how prepared your team is for a 16-20 game season. By the way, if this is true, and if your September is based on about your first 30 players, October on your first 35, November on your first 40, and December on your 45, would that explain the falling off of the team’s performance around the holidays? Just a quick theory to ponder. No depth equals trouble when injuries happen. And they always do.

I think the above that I bolded and highlighted is another nail in the cowboys coffin come december, our depth is not ready to step up due to poor draftng and not getting enough quality players in free agency;


* One thing I wanted to get a handle on in camp was to evaluate the play of the two tackles who are one snap from being in the game. OT Doug Free (4th round ‘07) and OT Pat McQuistan (7th round ‘06) could both be called into duty. And because OT James Marten (3rd round ‘07) and Jacob Rogers (2nd round ‘04) are washed out of the organization completely, Free and McQ have to be able to play if Colombo or Adams ever get hurt. So here is what I have on them: Free looks like he can move better than McQ, but he also looks a bit weaker. So, you have Free who can get to the corner but can be pushed back, and McQ who can not get to the corner, but can drop anchor a bit better. Either way, I don’t think either guy is a long-term solution at tackle.

* Interesting and disconcerting to see Isaiah Stanback claimed by New England for many Cowboys fans, I am sure. But I think the Cowboys made an easy choice. 3 years is a lifetime in pro football, and Stanback had plenty of time to show he deserved a spot. Projects are part of the NFL, but at some point he has got to show you something. If the Patriots think he is a QB, then I wish them the best. He might be, but he is not a WR/KR/QB triple threat like the scouts here thought. Another wasted pick (#103 in 2007) that will further cost this team. You see, if you are taking a flyer on a player, you might do it much later on in the draft. But, when you do it near the top 100 picks, you really deplete your resources if you are wrong. And they were dead wrong on Stanback. The New York Giants next two picks after Stanback? LB Zak DeOssie and TE Kevin Boss. Two significant contributers to the Giants.
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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I'd agree with most of the notion the arthor Is trying to make. however this team has spent a good bit of time getting talent, trying to overcome the numerous amount of mistakes it made pre-parcells. It's put them in somewhat of a hole.

The only problem I have can they draft one decent off. Lineman to back up the tackle spots?
 

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The 2006 draft was the last Parcells draft. Most media draft "experts" rated the Cowboys draft the best out of the east. It didn't pan out as well as on paper but the rest of the east didn't have much luck either.




2006
Dallas Cowboy
1 Bobby Carpenter-backup
2 Anthony Fasano traded for(Choice&Scandrick)
3 Jason Hatcher backup
4 Skyler Green
5 Pat Watkins backup
6 Montavious Stanley
7 Pat McQuistan backup
7 EJ Whitley

NY Giants
1 Mathias Kiwanuka backup
2 Sinorice Moss backup
3 Gerris Wilkinson backup
4 Barry Cofield backup?
4 Guy Whimper backup
5 Charlie Peprah
7 Gerrick McPhearson

Philadelphia Eagles
1 Broderick Bunkley starter
2 Winston Justice backup
3 Chris Gocong starter
4 Max Jean-Gulles backup
4 Jason Avant backup
5 Jeremy Bloom
5 Omar Gaither starter
6 LaJuan Ramsey

Washington Commanders
2 Rocky McIntosh starter
5 Anthony Montgomery backup
6 Reed Doubty backup
6 Kedric Golston backup
7 Kili Lefotu
7 Kevin Simon
 

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it is really unfortunate that brewster and j.will are hurt.who knows where their development could have been at the midday point in the season if they had not had those injuries.
 

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Bob Sturm said:
Again, my concern is the depth of this team - and it is scary in a shallow sort of way.

Bologna.

The following is a post I made a few days ago to a similar media gripe about the depth of the team.

Are we supposed to have back-ups who are just as good as the star players in front of them?

And if we did, in a lot of cases we would be looking to trade either the starter or the talented reserve for future draft booty.

We have a great starting quarterback, a nice veteran back-up and a developmental rookie on the back burner.

We have perhaps the most talented trio of runners in the NFL.

We have 5 wide receivers who can play.

We have the best tandem of tight ends in the NFL.

The only area on offense that is shaky depth wise is the offensive line and it is still looking better than it did a year ago.

We have two solid starting defensive ends and two nice looking reserves.

Junior Siavii is a question mark behind Jay Ratliff at nose tackle, but will he be any worse than Tank Johnson, a malcontent who thought he was better than he actually was? Siavii could become a nice change of pace on the insdie once he gets some game experience, IMO.

There is no replacing Demarcus Ware at outside 'backer and the depth is young and unproven. We decided to go young here and let Greg Ellis walk, there is always risk involved with a youth movement.

I like Keith Brooking better as a starter alongside Bradie James than I did Zach Thomas and Bobby Carpenter should be dependable in the nickel. Depth is an issue with Jason Williams hurting and Carp too tentative in the base 3-4.

We have three starting cornerbacks and questions behind them. Most teams would like to be able to say the same.

Our starting safeties look fine, the depth is a question mark and rookie Mike Hamlin is on the mend with a broken wrist.

How bad is that?

Nobody is two deep across the board with starting talent. We have some spots that are deep and others that are thin, that's just par for the course.
 

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Atta boy Bob, remind everyone what team closed the season in ignominious fashion. That finish was all about backup depth baby.

99% shot down in flames already.
 

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This is one of the most SPOT ON blogs I have seen in a while. Look forward to the next one to see if the trend continues.
 

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This guy writes, much like as posters want to talk, with hindsight, and hes absolutely correct. The problem, hes writing after the fact and boy is he correct after he knows something. If he ever does a mock draft, i want someone to forward it to him after the draft and see how he does.

Stanback would not have been a problem except for injuries, who can see injuries coming? Anyone?

Depth is something, but its not the steak and you cant have steak at every position and you cant have steak backing up steak, thats to much on the grill. With payment, scouting, talking heads, and any unconceived injury, you are not drafting steak at every position and you are NOT going to get what you drafted sometimes. How many first round busts have there been in the league? And what is that going to start costing teams? How much is Leinart in Arizona and Russel in Oakland costing?

You want a change in the NFL start with a rookie cap.
 

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HomeOfLegends;2927058 said:
This is one of the most SPOT ON blogs I have seen in a while. Look forward to the next one to see if the trend continues.
:laugh2: yeah right
 

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ShiningStar;2927059 said:
This guy writes, much like as posters want to talk, with hindsight, and hes absolutely correct. The problem, hes writing after the fact and boy is he correct after he knows something. If he ever does a mock draft, i want someone to forward it to him after the draft and see how he does.

Stanback would not have been a problem except for injuries, who can see injuries coming? Anyone?

Depth is something, but its not the steak and you cant have steak at every position and you cant have steak backing up steak, thats to much on the grill. With payment, scouting, talking heads, and any unconceived injury, you are not drafting steak at every position and you are NOT going to get what you drafted sometimes. How many first round busts have there been in the league? And what is that going to start costing teams? How much is Leinart in Arizona and Russel in Oakland costing?

You want a change in the NFL start with a rookie cap.

You listen to Mickey too much! :laugh2:


Anyways, a majority of the time to use Mickeys terms. No, you cant have steak on every plate but you certainly don't have to settle for Chopped Liver when you can at least have a rump roast.

ALOT of that has to do with how you draft as well. To reach for the meat analogy one more time, You don't need to go out and buy some one else's aged beef if you pick the right cut and learn how to season it yourself.

Now if you will excuse me, I have a left over slice of prime rib in my fridge that is calling. I suddenly got hungry!
 

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dogunwo;2927063 said:
:laugh2: yeah right

Odds are against it but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.;)
 

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With some people it's always kill the messenger.

No wonder the message can't get through.
 

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Cant say I agree with alot of that, especially the part about the lack of depth.

What team in this league has dependable or quality backups at EVERY position? (hint, there arnt any)

There some positions we have alot of depth. Places like TE, RB and even CB. Not many teams have 3 legit starters at CB, but we do. No team has the 3-somes we have at TE or RB. We have a very good backup QB. We have some backup OL that have played in starting roles (Proctor, Holland and Preston have all started). I think Free showed in preseason that he can fill in for the short term, especially if the rest of the OL is in tact. I think we have good backup DE's. We have good depth at WR. We're thin in some of the other areas, but everybody has positions of concern.

Nobody has an entire set of starters backing up the #1's. Its stupid to think thats the definition of "good depth"
 

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TwoDeep3;2927072 said:
With some people it's always kill the messenger.

No wonder the message can't get through.

and with other times its I can write after i know the facts.

the bottom line is for anytime anyone wants to say how great the Eagles draft, just go see how many Lombardies they have as well. At some point on the field your guys have to be able to do something special and that team cant get it done either.

You cant win at drafting, you either draft predictable or you draft cute. Either way is a crap shoot. You dont know what you are getting this is why i dont get into the Combine. The combine cant tell you anything about a player, it can give you statistics not teh heart of the player or what injuries are going to occur.
 

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dbair1967;2927075 said:
Nobody has an entire set of starters backing up the #1's. Its stupid to think thats the definition of "good depth"

Exactly.

But this is what the media has decided to chew on, it appears.

I don't think any of us are thrilled with our depth across the board, but it's a very hard thing to accomplish.

All I can say is that even with pre-season injuries, our depth looks better than it did last year, IMO.
 

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dbair1967;2927075 said:
Cant say I agree with alot of that, especially the part about the lack of depth.

What team in this league has dependable or quality backups at EVERY position? (hint, there arnt any)

There some positions we have alot of depth. Places like TE, RB and even CB. Not many teams have 3 legit starters at CB, but we do. No team has the 3-somes we have at TE or RB. We have a very good backup QB. We have some backup OL that have played in starting roles (Proctor, Holland and Preston have all started). I think Free showed in preseason that he can fill in for the short term, especially if the rest of the OL is in tact. I think we have good backup DE's. We have good depth at WR. We're thin in some of the other areas, but everybody has positions of concern.

Nobody has an entire set of starters backing up the #1's. Its stupid to think thats the definition of "good depth"

I disagree, I think we are extremely thin at WR. Your #1 goes down and you line up a bunch of #3's trying to be 1's and 2's.

I would not trust any of our backup offensive lineman besides Preston or Holland for more then a series or two.

We have 3 quality starting CB's but our 4th at this point is a injury concern. We don't have a 5th. How can you say there is any depth there?

TE, RB, QB I don't think anyone would argue we are comfortable with what we have.

OL scares me most. If any of our starters go down it could get ugly fast.
 

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dbair1967;2927075 said:
Cant say I agree with alot of that, especially the part about the lack of depth.

What team in this league has dependable or quality backups at EVERY position? (hint, there arnt any)

There some positions we have alot of depth. Places like TE, RB and even CB. Not many teams have 3 legit starters at CB, but we do. No team has the 3-somes we have at TE or RB. We have a very good backup QB. We have some backup OL that have played in starting roles (Proctor, Holland and Preston have all started). I think Free showed in preseason that he can fill in for the short term, especially if the rest of the OL is in tact. I think we have good backup DE's. We have good depth at WR. We're thin in some of the other areas, but everybody has positions of concern.

Nobody has an entire set of starters backing up the #1's. Its stupid to think thats the definition of "good depth"

Kind of playing off this.... It's been said before, but I think needs said again:

I doubt we're going to lose all 22 starters before the season ends. You don't have to have a backup at every position who can step in and not miss a beat. You only have to have maybe a handful of backups who can come in and not be complete liabilities. If Free is forced to come in, hopefully it's with Kosier, Gurode, Davis and Colombo still out there. Much more help there as opposed to if it's a line of all backups. If that happens, no doubt, we're sunk, but so would every other NFL team.

Same for backup LBs, DBs, DL, etc.
 
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