Bobby Carpenter Likes Opportunity Presented in Trade to St. Louis

[ZeroClub]

I really enjoyed watching his father play.

Best of luck, BC.

 

[Stautner]

This scheme was a bad fit for Carp and that made him a bad draft choice for us (Thanks Bill ). It will be interesting to see if he actually does better up there or if all his detractors are right and he simply doesn't have it. I think he must have had something for us to hang on to him for 4 years.

What puzzles me is why we didn't trade him to Miami when we had the chance. BP still wanted him when he traded for the Jersey guy TE (his name escapes me).

Why harbor ill-will toward Carp. No, he is not the player we needed when we drafted him, not did he develop into a productive player. I'm glad we moved him to another team. But why be upset with Carp? He is who he is and the Cowboys screwed up by drafting him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it's hilarious that people here are Bobby Carpenter apologists after he did absolutely nothing in the way of physicality or athleticism on this team for the better part of 3 to 4 years.

I do not see any apologists. I have had concerns with him as soon as after his first preseason where all he did was get a FF when he happened to be being blocked backwards.

My thing is just the venom. I have had jaded ex-girlfriends with better outlooks.

 

[dropshot001]

The hatred should be directed at Parcells for drafting Carp in the 1st rd. In hindsight, Carp wasn't even worth a 5th rd pick.

exactly. he was definitely drafted way higher than he should have been

 

[Stautner]

It's easy to talk in hindsight about Carpenter and to place blame on Parcells for it. Carp had a pretty uncommon combination of size and speed. The team just misread his determination and toughness.

Sure he went a little higher than projected. Players go higher or lower than projected all the time. It's as common as the draft itself. Everytime a player fails that goes higher than projected doesn't mean the choice was idiotic, and every time one succeeds that went lower than projected doesn't mean the team was a genious. It's just inherent with the process that it will happen both ways at times.

Besides, Carp will never evern remotely approach the level of being a truly notable NFL draft bust. He's so far down the list that it's barely worth mentioning in comparison.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Besides, Carp will never evern remotely approach the level of being a truly notable NFL draft bust. He's so far down the list that it's barely worth mentioning in comparison.

He's maybe the biggest bust this team has ever had, though. Rod Hill was always at least in the conversation for that dubious distinction, and maybe the leader. But even he was the #25 pick overall and produced a couple of INTs. Bobby was #18 overall and was barely good enough to play at all.

And IMO it's ridiculous for people to think that he's suddenly going to blossom simply because he's going to a 43. It's not like he's getting a job as a librarian... The job description of an NFL linebacker is still to stack, shed, hit, and play with overall aggression. Carp pretty much fails all of those.

 

[Zaxor]

so we got rid of both Ken and Barbie this offseason...

 

[RS12]

He's maybe the biggest bust this team has ever had, though. Rod Hill was always at least in the conversation for that dubious distinction, and maybe the leader. But even he was the #25 pick overall and produced a couple of INTs. Bobby was #18 overall and was barely good enough to play at all.

And IMO it's ridiculous for people to think that he's suddenly going to blossom simply because he's going to a 43. It's not like he's getting a job as a librarian... The job description of an NFL linebacker is still to stack, shed, hit, and play with overall aggression. Carp pretty much fails all of those.

I guess you must have actually watched him attempt to play the last four years.:laugh2: If you dont like contact you cant play in the league. And another thing, the Lambs will be at the bottom of the league in rushing yards given up if he plays alot. He isnt exactly stout at the LOS.

 

[Stautner]

He's maybe the biggest bust this team has ever had, though. Rod Hill was always at least in the conversation for that dubious distinction, and maybe the leader. But even he was the #25 pick overall and produced a couple of INTs. Bobby was #18 overall and was barely good enough to play at all.

And IMO it's ridiculous for people to think that he's suddenly going to blossom simply because he's going to a 43. It's not like he's getting a job as a librarian... The job description of an NFL linebacker is still to stack, shed, hit, and play with overall aggression. Carp pretty much fails all of those.

If you're old enough to remember Rod Hill you should remember Billy Cannon and Danny Noonan, and if we go back just a couple of more years there is Robert Shaw, and Larry Bethea. Remember the string of Shante Carver, Kavika Pittman and Ebeneezer Ekuban who were supposed to revive our pass rush? Noonan was the highest pick of all of them I believe - big farm fed boy from Nebraska was supposed to be the next Bob Lilly or Randy White.

And in the grand scheme of things Carp fails to be a very big deal compared to all the guys like JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf and David Carr and Charles Rogers.

I do, however, agree with you that it's unreasonable to suddenly expect him to blossom in LA. The change of scheme might help some, but the fact is he never even showed signs of the kind of spark it takes to excel in any scheme.

 

[RS12]

If you're old enough to remember Rod Hill you should remember Billy Cannon and Danny Noonan, and if we go back just a couple of more years there is Robert Shaw, and Larry Bethea. Remember the string of Shante Carver, Kavika Pittman and Ebeneezer Ekuban who were supposed to revive our pass rush? Noonan was the highest pick of all of them I believe - big farm fed boy from Nebraska was supposed to be the next Bob Lilly or Randy White.

And in the grand scheme of things Carp fails to be a very big deal compared to all the guys like JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf and David Carr and Charles Rogers.

I do, however, agree with you that it's unreasonable to suddenly expect him to blossom in LA. The change of scheme might help some, but the fact is he never even showed signs of the kind of spark it takes to excel in any scheme.

Shaw was actually a player but suffered devestating knee injury and could not come back. Cannon was a pick I never liked, but hurt his neck and never really played.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If you're old enough to remember Rod Hill you should remember Billy Cannon and Danny Noonan, and if we go back just a couple of more years there is Robert Shaw, and Larry Bethea. Remember the string of Shante Carver, Kavika Pittman and Ebeneezer Ekuban who were supposed to revive our pass rush? Noonan was the highest pick of all of them I believe - big farm fed boy from Nebraska was supposed to be the next Bob Lilly or Randy White.

But that's the point -- as much as those guys are called busts, they still did more than Bobby, who couldn't even sniff a starting job.

And like RS12 said, I don't count guys as busts who suffered devastating injuries early in their careers.

 

[superpunk]

And IMO it's ridiculous for people to think that he's suddenly going to blossom simply because he's going to a 43. It's not like he's getting a job as a librarian... The job description of an NFL linebacker is still to stack, shed, hit, and play with overall aggression. Carp pretty much fails all of those.

Church!

All this talk about scheme holding a player back is nonsense. If you're a player you're a player. Bobby might get some numbers playing on a bad team making mop-up tackles 5 yards downfield on running plays, but he's already shown that he's not really a player. That's not going to change because he swaps schemes. (as if our ILBs are consistently taking on guards anyhow....geez louise)

 

[Stautner]

But that's the point -- as much as those guys are called busts, they still did more than Bobby, who couldn't even sniff a starting job.

And like RS12 said, I don't count guys as busts who suffered devastating injuries early in their careers.

Billy Cannon played one year. Robert Shaw made it 3 years, all as a backup. Shante Carver had 55 tackles in his 4 years and Carpenter had 57 in his 4 years in Dallas. Bethea started all of 2 games in 6 years in the NFL.

Noonan was hailed as the guy to follow in the Lilly/White footsteps and Carp was never hailed as the next coming of Howley or Jordan.

Carver, Pittman and Ekuban were all given more than ample opportunities, resulting in at least some stats, meager thought they were, because the team was desperate after not being able to generate a pass rush for years. Carver, Pittman and Ekuban were drafted specifically to change that, whereas Carp was drafted as a peice in the new 3-4 puzzle.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Carver, Pittman and Ekuban were all given more than ample opportunities, resulting in at least some stats, meager thought they were, because the team was desperate after not being able to generate a pass rush for years. Carver, Pittman and Ekuban were drafted specifically to change that, whereas Carp was drafted as a peice in the new 3-4 puzzle.

Carpenter wasn't given ample opportunity? We held on to his spare *** for four years. And we still had to bring in two bargain basement mid-30s LBs because Bobby wasn't good enough.

The Noonans and Carvers and Ekubans were at least good enough to start. Bobby wasn't.

I don't get why people defend him so much. All teams miss on draft picks -- we missed on him. Now we'll do our best to carry on without him.

 

[ZeroClub]

He's maybe the biggest bust this team has ever had, though. Rod Hill was always at least in the conversation for that dubious distinction, and maybe the leader. But even he was the #25 pick overall and produced a couple of INTs. Bobby was #18 overall and was barely good enough to play at all.

And IMO it's ridiculous for people to think that he's suddenly going to blossom simply because he's going to a 43. It's not like he's getting a job as a librarian... The job description of an NFL linebacker is still to stack, shed, hit, and play with overall aggression. Carp pretty much fails all of those.

He may suddenly start in the Rams' 43, and there will be fans who say that Carpenter blossomed in the 43.

Actually, though, it'll likely be less about the 43 and more about the low talent level of the Rams.

But I wish him well.

 

[Stautner]

Carpenter wasn't given ample opportunity? We held on to his spare *** for four years. And we still had to bring in two bargain basement mid-30s LBs because Bobby wasn't good enough.

The Noonans and Carvers and Ekubans were at least good enough to start. Bobby wasn't.

I don't get why people defend him so much. All teams miss on draft picks -- we missed on him. Now we'll do our best to carry on without him.

If you think Carver was good enough to start you never watched him play.

Yes, Carpenter was given ample opportunity to earn playing time and failed to do so, but my point was that the others didn't even have to earn it. Guys like Carver were just handed their job because the team was so desperate at DE, and like I said, even though Carver got a shot to start he still had 2 fewer tackles in 4 years than Carpenter did. Some of these guys were actually handed starting roles and never did much, if anything, more than Carpenter did.

 

[casmith07]

I do not see any apologists. I have had concerns with him as soon as after his first preseason where all he did was get a FF when he happened to be being blocked backwards.

My thing is just the venom. I have had jaded ex-girlfriends with better outlooks.

Then I expect the same sweeping defense whenever spit needless venom at players like former Ken Hamlin, our our current Roy Williams, or anyone else that was a good guy.

 

[baj1dallas]

Bobby has played on special teams every year and recorded 45 special teams tackles. He also performed fine in the nickle last season. You can't play special teams in the NFL and not be "physical enough". His issue was his ability to shed the bigger blockers in the base 3-4 defense and still "read and react" efficiently.

What a bunch of baloney. He made maybe 3 straight on tackles the entire time he was here. He gave up 500 yards to players he let get outside of him so he could drag them down, rather than smashing into them or even trying to take out their legs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Then I expect the same sweeping defense whenever spit needless venom at players like former Ken Hamlin, our our current Roy Williams, or anyone else that was a good guy.

You do not hear people saying they want Hamlin to suck in Baltimore like you do with Carpenter. Fred Smoot gets treated better than Carpenter.

The Hamlin thing has more to do with theo and his nonsense than anything else anyway.

I do not get the Williams hate either. I have the exact same stance with him.

 

[Stautner]

You do not hear people saying they want Hamlin to suck in Baltimore like you do with Carpenter. Fred Smoot gets treated better than Carpenter.

The Hamlin thing has more to do with theo and his nonsense than anything else anyway.

I do not get the Williams hate either. I have the exact same stance with him.

Williams bothers me more than Carpenter because Williams seemed to regress, his attitude on the field seemed to change, and he was unwilling to alter his methods when the horsecollar was outlawed. To me Carpenter is what he always was. In other words, he didn't waste the talent he proved to have the way Roy did, he just never really had it to begin with.