BPA vs Johnson approach to draft (tired of waiting for the draft)

[btcutter]

Most team try to implement some type of BPA (loosely defined). But JJ shook up the draft world when he targeted players he wanted and he traded all over the place to get those players. He was not going to let luck dictate his fate. He was going to make his own by maneuvering in the draft for players that he believe will help him be successful.

Would you rather sit tight and chose BPA unless a great trade comes around or prefer JJ's method and aggressively go get the player(s) in various rounds.

Let's take this draft for an example. What would Jimmy do? Trade up to get Donald because he believe that's the DT he needs to make this D successful or this team needs more quality players than just Donald and trade back to get more 2nd and 3rd rounders and target players he want?

 

[DFWJC]

Most team try to implement some type of BPA (loosely defined). But JJ shook up the draft world when he targeted players he wanted and he traded all over the place to get those players. He was not going to let luck dictate his fate. He was going to make his own by maneuvering in the draft for players that he believe will help him be successful.

Would you rather sit tight and chose BPA unless a great trade comes around or prefer JJ's method and aggressively go get the player(s) in various rounds.

Let's take this draft for an example. What would Jimmy do? Trade up to get Donald because he believe that's the DT he needs to make this D successful or this team needs more quality players than just Donald and trade back to get more 2nd and 3rd rounders and target players he want?

He drafted BPA for what he wanted,
Plain and simple

 

[visionary]

Sit tight
Donald will be there at 16
I would trade down between 20-25 for a rd 2 or 3 pick even if Donald is there

 

[waving monkey]

this season I would target my choices and go get them
the seventh round can act as a net

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think our dream is Barr and Easley. Starting to think we want Easley more. I think more than Donald.

 

[btcutter]

I think our dream is Barr and Easley. Starting to think we want Easley more. I think more than Donald.

Jimmy would make it happen if that's who his wanted.

I want those two as well!

 

[xwalker]

Most team try to implement some type of BPA (loosely defined). But JJ shook up the draft world when he targeted players he wanted and he traded all over the place to get those players. He was not going to let luck dictate his fate. He was going to make his own by maneuvering in the draft for players that he believe will help him be successful.

Would you rather sit tight and chose BPA unless a great trade comes around or prefer JJ's method and aggressively go get the player(s) in various rounds.

Let's take this draft for an example. What would Jimmy do? Trade up to get Donald because he believe that's the DT he needs to make this D successful or this team needs more quality players than just Donald and trade back to get more 2nd and 3rd rounders and target players he want?

Jimmy had a knack for knowing where players would be available.

Despite Cowboys fans proclaiming Donald the King of the Draft, I believe that he might be available at 16. I think there are plenty of other options including a trade down if he's not available.

On the other hand, there are times that a small trade up would be the way to go. In 2009, Max Unger was the Cowboys primary and basically only target in the 2nd round. The Seahawks traded 2 spots ahead of Dallas and took him. The Cowboys had about 12 more picks that they easily could have traded a few away to get the player that they wanted. However, they also could have just taken the BPA which was LeSean McCoy. They had him ranked as a 1st rounder but passed on him because they already had Felix and Barber.

 

[btcutter]

Jimmy had a knack for knowing where players would be available.

Despite Cowboys fans proclaiming Donald the King of the Draft, I believe that he might be available at 16. I think there are plenty of other options including a trade down if he's not available.

On the other hand, there are times that a small trade up would be the way to go. In 2009, Max Unger was the Cowboys primary and basically only target in the 2nd round. The Seahawks traded 2 spots ahead of Dallas and took him. The Cowboys had about 12 more picks that they easily could have traded a few away to get the player that they wanted. However, they also could have just taken the BPA which was LeSean McCoy. They had him ranked as a 1st rounder but passed on him because they already had Felix and Barber.

But Johnson is also not afraid to go against public opinion unlike most GMs. He had a master plan for his team. Most teams just don't have "it". I don't fault them for not taking McCoy since highsight is 20/20. Unger miss was simply a good play be Seattle. They knew Dallas wanted Unger and did a good job of moving just ahead of Dallas.

I like to see Dallas be a little more aggressive in the draft. I am sure there're a handful of players (maybe not in the 1st) that they really like and they should aggressively trade to go get them. I don't think letting lady luck determine which players fall to you and thank your prayers.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see the top players in this draft (excluding QBs) as follows:

Clowney
Robinson
Mack
Watkins
Evans
Lewan

Of these players, the only one I really see with a possibility of falling to 16 is Evans. If Evans fell to us, would you draft him? I've been thinking about that for awhile now. The draft is deep at WR and it's not really our biggest need but he would certainly be the BPA in this draft, if he fell to us. This draft is pretty deep at WR. There are other needs we might value more that would be available to us. I know the standard answer is trade back but that may or may not be available to us. If you take him, that really does solidify the WR position for us. It also gives you a tremendous amount of leverage with the upcoming Dez contract situation. I'm really torn on this one, should it come to pass on draft day.

 

[DBOY3141]

I see the top players in this draft (excluding QBs) as follows:

Clowney
Robinson
Mack
Watkins
Evans
Lewan

Of these players, the only one I really see with a possibility of falling to 16 is Evans. If Evans fell to us, would you draft him? I've been thinking about that for awhile now. The draft is deep at WR and it's not really our biggest need but he would certainly be the BPA in this draft, if he fell to us. This draft is pretty deep at WR. There are other needs we might value more that would be available to us. I know the standard answer is trade back but that may or may not be available to us. If you take him, that really does solidify the WR position for us. It also gives you a tremendous amount of leverage with the upcoming Dez contract situation. I'm really torn on this one, should it come to pass on draft day.

If Evans was there at 16 and we couldn't trade. I take him. He's considered an elite talent in this draft. It's a passing league. We have 10 other picks to fill holes this year and another draft next year to solidify ourselves as real contenders.

 

[DFWJC]

I see the top players in this draft (excluding QBs) as follows:

Clowney
Robinson
Mack
Watkins
Evans
Lewan

Of these players, the only one I really see with a possibility of falling to 16 is Evans. If Evans fell to us, would you draft him? I've been thinking about that for awhile now. The draft is deep at WR and it's not really our biggest need but he would certainly be the BPA in this draft, if he fell to us. This draft is pretty deep at WR. There are other needs we might value more that would be available to us. I know the standard answer is trade back but that may or may not be available to us. If you take him, that really does solidify the WR position for us. It also gives you a tremendous amount of leverage with the upcoming Dez contract situation. I'm really torn on this one, should it come to pass on draft day.

Can't imagine Evans being there and I think Lewan has a better, albeit very slim, chance of dropping.

If Evans was there though, and he was (most importantly on our board, not other boards) the by far highest rated player, we take him. The only way we shouldn't would be if we could get max/fair value in a trade and had good targets at the sport we were trading to.

 

[RS12]

(tired of waiting for the draft)

Painful, aint it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can't imagine Evans being there and I think Lewan has a better, albeit very slim, chance of dropping.

If Evans was there though, and he was (most importantly on our board, not other boards) the by far highest rated player, we take him. The only way we shouldn't would be if we could get max/fair value in a trade and had good targets at the sport we were trading to.

Lewan would be the next guy I would think but I don't think the chances of him falling are nearly as good. He's a true LT and while there is some good overall talent in this draft at OL, I don't think it's as deep for LTs as it is for WRs. That's why I think Evans has a better chance of falling.

 

[DFWJC]

Lewan would be the next guy I would think but I don't think the chances of him falling are nearly as good. He's a true LT and while there is some good overall talent in this draft at OL, I don't think it's as deep for LTs as it is for WRs. That's why I think Evans has a better chance of falling.

I really think in the long term, Lewan may be better than Matthews. Depends on how hungry he is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I really think in the long term, Lewan may be better than Matthews. Depends on how hungry he is.

Lewan is pretty darn good and I would not be one bit surprised if he turned out to be the best LT in this draft.

 

[jterrell]

He drafted BPA for what he wanted,
Plain and simple

No he didn't.
He targeted guys as mentioned above and was never afraid of moving around.
Emmitt is a perfect example.
Jimmy had targeted linebackers but they were too rich in trade demand to get that high so he dropped instead.
Once Emmitt fell and Joe Brodsky literally stood up on a table for him, Jimmy went back up and got him.
He didn't ever draft BPA except on throwaway picks.
Jimmy thought BPA was the guy he liked most.
A lot has been made of Larry Brown but Jimmy hadn't ever scouted him at all and only chose him because he could drive to the facility and didn't require airfare, lol.

Jimmy wanted guys and he and his coaches had plans for the guys they drafted.
A lot of times that worked great... others it did not.
But drafting BPA in a vacuum will fail.
You always draft to system and fit and need buoyed by getting a solid value at slot.

It is cool to rate guys 1-100 and all but ACTUAL player 30 is seldom really far better than player 40.

 

[jterrell]

Lewan is pretty darn good and I would not be one bit surprised if he turned out to be the best LT in this draft.

Lewan is a nightmare of a person and that can translate to really nasty, good OL... or can translate to serious issues that prevent him from hitting the field.
I don't want to ever touch guys threatening rape.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lewan is a nightmare of a person and that can translate to really nasty, good OL... or can translate to serious issues that prevent him from hitting the field.
I don't want to ever touch guys threatening rape.

I have never seen any proof that he has done that. In fact, the statement on Rape was hearsay, as far as I know.

 

[DFWJC]

No he didn't.
He targeted guys as mentioned above and was never afraid of moving around.
Emmitt is a perfect example.
Jimmy had targeted linebackers but they were too rich in trade demand to get that high so he dropped instead.
Once Emmitt fell and Joe Brodsky literally stood up on a table for him, Jimmy went back up and got him.
He didn't ever draft BPA except on throwaway picks.
Jimmy thought BPA was the guy he liked most.
A lot has been made of Larry Brown but Jimmy hadn't ever scouted him at all and only chose him because he could drive to the facility and didn't require airfare, lol.

Jimmy wanted guys and he and his coaches had plans for the guys they drafted.
A lot of times that worked great... others it did not.
But drafting BPA in a vacuum will fail.
You always draft to system and fit and need buoyed by getting a solid value at slot.

It is cool to rate guys 1-100 and all but ACTUAL player 30 is seldom really far better than player 40.

You don't think Emmitt was top on Dallas' board when Jimmy picked?
I do.

I said he took the players rated according to HIS board. Which is all that matters. He didn't care what others thought. That is, by definition, his version of BPA.

Yes, if you have to move around to get the correct match (which is the proper way to do it) than you do so.

 

[Gaede]

I think our dream is Barr and Easley. Starting to think we want Easley more. I think more than Donald.

I am getting that feeling too. With Easley, you get the explosion and the size.

Barr and Easley would be too good to be true.