Brandon Carr Brandon Marshall (targets only)

Cut Carr no way we want him covering Marshall week 4.

Seriously I wish we could have gotten Marshall, he and Cutler seem to have a good connection
 
By my count he gave 3 catches for about 20 yards. If he did that every game he'd be considered one of the best in the NFL.
 
theogt;4684112 said:
By my count he gave 3 catches for about 20 yards. If he did that every game he'd be considered one of the best in the NFL.
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this

not sure what OP's point was in posting the vid..
 
Not supposed to be a trash Carr thread... He wasn't matched up vs other teams 1s nearly as much as Flowers in KC and this video shows all the targets he got while covering Marshall. He didn't defend any but did a solid job at keeping things small.
 
Carr and Flowers played their respective sides and didn't swap. So if teams played their best receiver against Flowers moreso than not its because they saw him as a better matchup. For example, Carr shut down Calvin Johnson for 2 quarters and then he switched sides and beat Flowers like a drum.
 
theogt;4684134 said:
Carr and Flowers played their respective sides and didn't swap. So if teams played their best receiver against Flowers moreso than not its because they saw him as a better matchup. For example, Carr shut down Calvin Johnson for 2 quarters and then he switched sides and beat Flowers like a drum.
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Nope.

Calvin moved around a lot in that game and in the first half as he usually does. He was also playing on a bad ankle and wasn't force fed the because everyone else didn't have problems getting open. They didn't have him play on one side the whole time and then the other because he was getting "shut down".

He caught a TD against Flowers early in the 2nd quarter and the 24 yd reception he had against Carr was negated by an offensive penalty. Johnson ended the night with 2 TD catches but only 3 receptions total for 29 yards. He didn't beat anyone like a drum. Burleson and Young also had 7 and 5 receptions some against Carr.
 
What this video Showed me, was Carr covering an Elite WR, pretty good
 
blackbull;4684082 said:
Td was cover 2. Video wasn't that bad. Not worried
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Exactly. Carr jammed at the line and released him to the safety. The safety didnt make the play.
 
EvilJerry88;4684136 said:
Nope.

Calvin moved around a lot in that game and in the first half as he usually does. He was also playing on a bad ankle and wasn't force fed the because everyone else didn't have problems getting open. They didn't have him play on one side the whole time and then the other because he was getting "shut down".

He caught a TD against Flowers early in the 2nd quarter and the 24 yd reception he had against Carr was negated by an offensive penalty. Johnson ended the night with 2 TD catches but only 3 receptions total for 29 yards. He didn't beat anyone like a drum. Burleson and Young also had 7 and 5 receptions some against Carr.
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You're right that he moved around in the first half. Instead of saying "two quarters" I should have said the first dozen or so plays. Once they moved him over to the right side (against Flowers), he immediately caught a TD against Flowers. He played the vast majority of the snaps opposite Carr, however, in the first half and did not catch anything against Carr.

Here's a great example of why they didn't go Calvin Johnson's way when he was on the left side (Carr's side) in the first half. Stafford wants badly to throw the ball here. He immediately looks over to Johnson and begins to let loose, but pulls the ball down and goes the other direction.

http://img26.*************/img26/1514/79103001.png

And in the second half Johnson came out playing almost exclusively on the right side (against Flowers). That's where Flowers gave up his second TD of the game to Johnson and effectively gave up a third TD. Right before Johnson made his TD at the end of the 3rd quarter, Johnson dropped one that hit him square in the numbers. Flowers had terrible coverage in the endzone with no idea where the ball was. It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and if Johnson would have caught that one, he wouldn't have needed to catch the very next pass -- on which Flowers had even worse coverage. But for all intents and purposes (in terms of judging a players' performance) it means Flowers gave up THREE TOUCHDOWNS to Calvin Johnson. THAT is getting beat like a drum.

On the Lion's next trip to the redzone after those back to back "TDs" given up by Flowers, Calvin Johnson switched back over to lining up in front of Carr and he wasn't even targeted. Of course, that didn't make sense, so on the next trip to the redzone he was back in front of Flowers and they immediately started picking on him. He was lucky enough to get in front of an underthrown lob to Johnson, however, so he didn't have to give up his 4th TD of the game.

In the first 53 minutes of the game, Carr gave up only one pass for about 15 yards. Then, when the game was at 41-3 with 7 minutes left, Carr gave up a garbage time deep pass for 28 yards. He had excellent coverage, but I just don't think he expected them to be going deep at that point in the game. Here's the coverage.

http://img191.*************/img191/4553/34287766.png

As you can tell, Carr has excellent coverage. This picture and the picture above where he's covering Calvin Johnson are what you see constantly from Brandon Carr. He's always in the hip pocket of the receiver, barely giving him any room to move. But in some cases, that's not enough. In the 28 yard pass he gave up in garbage time, the receiver pushes off and Stafford makes an excellent throw out of Carr's reach, as pictured below. You just can't defend that.

http://img89.*************/img89/2342/34562139.png

http://img209.*************/img209/1963/43960208.png

EvilJerry88;4684136 said:
He was also playing on a bad ankle and wasn't force fed the because everyone else didn't have problems getting open. They didn't have him play on one side the whole time and then the other because he was getting "shut down".
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Calvin Johnson is targeted about 10 times per game. In this game he was target 1 time on the left side of the field (Carr's side) and 5 times on the right side of the field (Flowers' side). Given that he played about 50/50 on the left and right, he was targeted significantly fewer times than average while playing on Carr's side of the field and was targeted about his normal amount when playing on Flowers' side.
 
theogt;4684264 said:
You're right that he moved around in the first half. Instead of saying "two quarters" I should have said the first dozen or so plays. Once they moved him over to the right side (against Flowers), he immediately caught a TD against Flowers. He played the vast majority of the snaps opposite Carr, however, in the first half and did not catch anything against Carr.

Here's a great example of why they didn't go Calvin Johnson's way when he was on the left side (Carr's side) in the first half. Stafford wants badly to throw the ball here. He immediately looks over to Johnson and begins to let loose, but pulls the ball down and goes the other direction.

http://img26.*************/img26/1514/79103001.png

And in the second half Johnson came out playing almost exclusively on the right side (against Flowers). That's where Flowers gave up his second TD of the game to Johnson and effectively gave up a third TD. Right before Johnson made his TD at the end of the 3rd quarter, Johnson dropped one that hit him square in the numbers. Flowers had terrible coverage in the endzone with no idea where the ball was. It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and if Johnson would have caught that one, he wouldn't have needed to catch the very next pass -- on which Flowers had even worse coverage. But for all intents and purposes (in terms of judging a players' performance) it means Flowers gave up THREE TOUCHDOWNS to Calvin Johnson. THAT is getting beat like a drum.

On the Lion's next trip to the redzone after those back to back "TDs" given up by Flowers, Calvin Johnson switched back over to lining up in front of Carr and he wasn't even targeted. Of course, that didn't make sense, so on the next trip to the redzone he was back in front of Flowers and they immediately started picking on him. He was lucky enough to get in front of an underthrown lob to Johnson, however, so he didn't have to give up his 4th TD of the game.

In the first 53 minutes of the game, Carr gave up only one pass for about 15 yards. Then, when the game was at 41-3 with 7 minutes left, Carr gave up a garbage time deep pass for 28 yards. He had excellent coverage, but I just don't think he expected them to be going deep at that point in the game. Here's the coverage.

http://img191.*************/img191/4553/34287766.png

As you can tell, Carr has excellent coverage. This picture and the picture above where he's covering Calvin Johnson are what you see constantly from Brandon Carr. He's always in the hip pocket of the receiver, barely giving him any room to move. But in some cases, that's not enough. In the 28 yard pass he gave up in garbage time, the receiver pushes off and Stafford makes an excellent throw out of Carr's reach, as pictured below. You just can't defend that.

http://img89.*************/img89/2342/34562139.png

http://img209.*************/img209/1963/43960208.png

Calvin Johnson is targeted about 10 times per game. In this game he was target 1 time on the left side of the field (Carr's side) and 5 times on the right side of the field (Flowers' side). Given that he played about 50/50 on the left and right, he was targeted significantly fewer times than average while playing on Carr's side of the field and was targeted about his normal amount when playing on Flowers' side.
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Nice info.
 
theogt;4684264 said:
You're right that he moved around in the first half. Instead of saying "two quarters" I should have said the first dozen or so plays. Once they moved him over to the right side (against Flowers), he immediately caught a TD against Flowers. He played the vast majority of the snaps opposite Carr, however, in the first half and did not catch anything against Carr.

Here's a great example of why they didn't go Calvin Johnson's way when he was on the left side (Carr's side) in the first half. Stafford wants badly to throw the ball here. He immediately looks over to Johnson and begins to let loose, but pulls the ball down and goes the other direction.

http://img26.*************/img26/1514/79103001.png

And in the second half Johnson came out playing almost exclusively on the right side (against Flowers). That's where Flowers gave up his second TD of the game to Johnson and effectively gave up a third TD. Right before Johnson made his TD at the end of the 3rd quarter, Johnson dropped one that hit him square in the numbers. Flowers had terrible coverage in the endzone with no idea where the ball was. It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and if Johnson would have caught that one, he wouldn't have needed to catch the very next pass -- on which Flowers had even worse coverage. But for all intents and purposes (in terms of judging a players' performance) it means Flowers gave up THREE TOUCHDOWNS to Calvin Johnson. THAT is getting beat like a drum.

On the Lion's next trip to the redzone after those back to back "TDs" given up by Flowers, Calvin Johnson switched back over to lining up in front of Carr and he wasn't even targeted. Of course, that didn't make sense, so on the next trip to the redzone he was back in front of Flowers and they immediately started picking on him. He was lucky enough to get in front of an underthrown lob to Johnson, however, so he didn't have to give up his 4th TD of the game.

In the first 53 minutes of the game, Carr gave up only one pass for about 15 yards. Then, when the game was at 41-3 with 7 minutes left, Carr gave up a garbage time deep pass for 28 yards. He had excellent coverage, but I just don't think he expected them to be going deep at that point in the game. Here's the coverage.

http://img191.*************/img191/4553/34287766.png

As you can tell, Carr has excellent coverage. This picture and the picture above where he's covering Calvin Johnson are what you see constantly from Brandon Carr. He's always in the hip pocket of the receiver, barely giving him any room to move. But in some cases, that's not enough. In the 28 yard pass he gave up in garbage time, the receiver pushes off and Stafford makes an excellent throw out of Carr's reach, as pictured below. You just can't defend that.

http://img89.*************/img89/2342/34562139.png

http://img209.*************/img209/1963/43960208.png

Calvin Johnson is targeted about 10 times per game. In this game he was target 1 time on the left side of the field (Carr's side) and 5 times on the right side of the field (Flowers' side). Given that he played about 50/50 on the left and right, he was targeted significantly fewer times than average while playing on Carr's side of the field and was targeted about his normal amount when playing on Flowers' side.
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:bow:

Nice Ogt!
 
theogt;4684264 said:
You're right that he moved around in the first half. Instead of saying "two quarters"[snip]
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You are killin' it theo. Nice analysis
 
TD was played very well by carr. he played underneath in cover 2 and expected safety to be valve over the top.
 
You obviously don't know what a cover 2 defense is... The safety did a terrible job of coverage on that play.
 
theogt;4684264 said:
You're right that he moved around in the first half. Instead of saying "two quarters" I should have said the first dozen or so plays. Once they moved him over to the right side (against Flowers), he immediately caught a TD against Flowers. He played the vast majority of the snaps opposite Carr, however, in the first half and did not catch anything against Carr.

Here's a great example of why they didn't go Calvin Johnson's way when he was on the left side (Carr's side) in the first half. Stafford wants badly to throw the ball here. He immediately looks over to Johnson and begins to let loose, but pulls the ball down and goes the other direction.

http://img26.*************/img26/1514/79103001.png

And in the second half Johnson came out playing almost exclusively on the right side (against Flowers). That's where Flowers gave up his second TD of the game to Johnson and effectively gave up a third TD. Right before Johnson made his TD at the end of the 3rd quarter, Johnson dropped one that hit him square in the numbers. Flowers had terrible coverage in the endzone with no idea where the ball was. It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and if Johnson would have caught that one, he wouldn't have needed to catch the very next pass -- on which Flowers had even worse coverage. But for all intents and purposes (in terms of judging a players' performance) it means Flowers gave up THREE TOUCHDOWNS to Calvin Johnson. THAT is getting beat like a drum.

On the Lion's next trip to the redzone after those back to back "TDs" given up by Flowers, Calvin Johnson switched back over to lining up in front of Carr and he wasn't even targeted. Of course, that didn't make sense, so on the next trip to the redzone he was back in front of Flowers and they immediately started picking on him. He was lucky enough to get in front of an underthrown lob to Johnson, however, so he didn't have to give up his 4th TD of the game.

In the first 53 minutes of the game, Carr gave up only one pass for about 15 yards. Then, when the game was at 41-3 with 7 minutes left, Carr gave up a garbage time deep pass for 28 yards. He had excellent coverage, but I just don't think he expected them to be going deep at that point in the game. Here's the coverage.

http://img191.*************/img191/4553/34287766.png

As you can tell, Carr has excellent coverage. This picture and the picture above where he's covering Calvin Johnson are what you see constantly from Brandon Carr. He's always in the hip pocket of the receiver, barely giving him any room to move. But in some cases, that's not enough. In the 28 yard pass he gave up in garbage time, the receiver pushes off and Stafford makes an excellent throw out of Carr's reach, as pictured below. You just can't defend that.

http://img89.*************/img89/2342/34562139.png

http://img209.*************/img209/1963/43960208.png

Calvin Johnson is targeted about 10 times per game. In this game he was target 1 time on the left side of the field (Carr's side) and 5 times on the right side of the field (Flowers' side). Given that he played about 50/50 on the left and right, he was targeted significantly fewer times than average while playing on Carr's side of the field and was targeted about his normal amount when playing on Flowers' side.
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TNew would have stopped him from catching that 1, easily but grabbing him (PI)
 
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