Bresee or Kancey at 26?

[tm1119]

Which 1, if either, would you choose if available at 26?

Bryan Bresee
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bryan-bresee/32004252-4551-0679-d769-a1a0d80e7931

Prototypical size for a 3 tech
Good, not elite athleticism
Don’t believe anything that should be a long term concern, but injuries have kept him off the field
15 TFL and 9 sacks in 25 games

Calijah Kancey
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/calijah-kancey/32004b41-4e04-6143-5a2e-df476a2bfc64

(Pro day happening tomorrow so may see a complete score after)
Undersized, with 30 5/8” arms possibly being most concerning
Makes up for size with freak athleticism
34.5 TFL and 16 sacks in 33 games

 

[Killerinstinct]

I still love Kancey. I think his quickness, agility and hand use more than makes up for his size. I think he would destroy a Guard like Avila. I am sick of DT's that stand up at the snap and engages the Guards in a sumu-wrestling simulation.
I wouldn't mind Bresee either but would be less excited.

 

[cnuball21]

Breese by a landslide.

If we’re going to take a DT at 26 he should be the target. He’s been somewhat limited the last year or so dealing with off the field stuff and injury but he’s the most complete DT with the highest ceiling not named Carter.

Lancet and Mazi are 1 dimensional. Breese should be in consideration if he makes it to 26.

 

[xwalker]

Which 1, if either, would you choose if available at 26?

Bryan Bresee
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bryan-bresee/32004252-4551-0679-d769-a1a0d80e7931

Prototypical size for a 3 tech
Good, not elite athleticism
Don’t believe anything that should be a long term concern, but injuries have kept him off the field
15 TFL and 9 sacks in 25 games

Calijah Kancey
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/calijah-kancey/32004b41-4e04-6143-5a2e-df476a2bfc64

(Pro day happening tomorrow so may see a complete score after)
Undersized, with 30 5/8” arms possibly being most concerning
Makes up for size with freak athleticism
34.5 TFL and 16 sacks in 33 games

Neither one...

Kancey: More boom/bust than Bresee.

Bresee: SOME 2nd round DTs might be as good or better in the long run.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/aaron-donald-calijah-kancey-measurables.509605/

 

[beware_d-ware]

I can't really warm up to Bresee. He basically missed half his college career, and technique/polish wise, he looks like a D-1 sophomore. Didn't really produce in college either - not a total zero like Mazi, but he didn't play up to his athletic potential either. You are basically buying in on his measurables with your draft pick.

DTs are low-key project picks to begin with, cause very few play up to their potential in their first 1-2 years. Then you couple that with Bresee being raw for a college DT. There's a lot of risk, and the rewards look a long ways off.

Bresee has game changer potential, and I couldn't hate Dallas for bolstering a position they have neglected for literal decades at this point. But my reaction to a Bresee 1st round pick would be less "Let's go!!!", and more "Here we go..."

I am bullish on Kancey, cause he's just a total gamer on tape and has the rocket-esque athleticism he needs for his size. The Donald comps are too easy. But PFF threw out an interesting comp for him as well... Ed Oliver. Similar size and movement skills as Donald, but without the strength. And he's had a much more pedestrian career than the 3x Defensive MVP. In general, the track record of super small non-Donald DTs isn't great.

So I admit, there is a lot of downside with Kancey as well. Between him and Bresee, I prefer Kancey, just because there's a track record of big production. His game looks more ready to translate, if it's going to translate. But both guys are major boom-or-bust picks.

 

[Kolemmitt]

Neither one...

Kancey: More boom/bust than Bresee.

Bresee: SOME 2nd round DTs might be as good or better in the long run.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/aaron-donald-calijah-kancey-measurables.509605/

Agreed. As much as I would love to add a dominant DT to our DL, I just don't see it happening this year.

I also feel like there will be much better options at 26 than a boom-or-bust small DT, or a pretty meh DT.

 

[stilltheguru]

I'd take mazi over both. So neither. Bit I could see dallas taking Breese based on nothing on tape which is scary

 

[WillieBeamen]

Kancey please

 

[John813]

Tough. I like both.
Maybe Bresee as I think he will be a better pro, health provided, than college player.
IMO higher floor, but the ceiling height is still tbd

 

[Malhavoc]

Kancey and it ain’t even close.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I can't really warm up to Bresee. He basically missed half his college career, and technique/polish wise, he looks like a D-1 sophomore. Didn't really produce in college either - not a total zero like Mazi, but he didn't play up to his athletic potential either. You are basically buying in on his measurables with your draft pick.

DTs are low-key project picks to begin with, cause very few play up to their potential in their first 1-2 years. Then you couple that with Bresee being raw for a college DT. There's a lot of risk, and the rewards look a long ways off.

Bresee has game changer potential, and I couldn't hate Dallas for bolstering a position they have neglected for literal decades at this point. But my reaction to a Bresee 1st round pick would be less "Let's go!!!", and more "Here we go..."

I am bullish on Kancey, cause he's just a total gamer on tape and has the rocket-esque athleticism he needs for his size. The Donald comps are too easy. But PFF threw out an interesting comp for him as well... Ed Oliver. Similar size and movement skills as Donald, but without the strength. And he's had a much more pedestrian career than the 3x Defensive MVP. In general, the track record of super small non-Donald DTs isn't great.

So I admit, there is a lot of downside with Kancey as well. Between him and Bresee, I prefer Kancey, just because there's a track record of big production. His game looks more ready to translate, if it's going to translate. But both guys are major boom-or-bust picks.

Huh?

Bresee put up similar numbers to Jalen Carter in 10 less games.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Huh?

Bresee put up similar numbers to Jalen Carter in 10 less games.

They have pretty similar career snap counts. Bresee had 915, Carter had 1075.

Similarly, Georgia DLs never put up counting stats. Davis, Wyatt, Carter ^, Travon Walker, Nolan Smith... I don't watch enough Georgia football to explain why it is (they are honestly growing to become Bama level hateable for me), but it's consistent.

 

[AsthmaField]

I’m not too crazy about either… but if I had to choose one, I think it would be Kancey.

I think he at the very least might be a pretty decent rotational pass rusher on passing downs. I think that is his floor, although I’m not completely convinced about that.

Bresee’s floor is a complete bust, IMO… although his ceiling is pretty high.

I just don’t like rolling the dice on a guy like that in the first round. Really, in the first two rounds, although I would give serious consideration to Bresee at Dallas’ 2nd round pick.

My DT of choice is easily Benton though. I’d really like to see him in Dallas.

 

[RS12]

I think Kancey is an intriguing rotation piece. I want more than a rotation piece from my first rounder though. Not really interested in Bresee much at all.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

They have pretty similar career snap counts. Bresee had 915, Carter had 1075.

Similarly, Georgia DLs never put up counting stats. Davis, Wyatt, Carter ^, Travon Walker, Nolan Smith... I don't watch enough Georgia football to explain why it is (they are honestly growing to become Bama level hateable for me), but it's consistent.

Not saying you’re espousing it but I think the Georgia rotation alibi is getting tired in terms of excusing lack of production.

There’s still time but no Georgia defensive prospect has exactly made a name for himself at the NFL level in recent memory.

 

[Killerinstinct]

I think Kancey is an intriguing rotation piece. I want more than a rotation piece from my first rounder though. Not really interested in Bresee much at all.

Everyone on our defensive line is a rotational piece. Kancey is not a liability against the run. Obviously you wouldn't want to use him in short yardage situations.

 

[Sydla]

Don't waste your time. DT isn't a need in the draft.

So said Jerry. We are likely going with a flashy guy at 26. I still firmly believe Jerry and Stephen will strongly consider a RB at 26. They still feel it's a more valuable position than DT.

Stupid GM.

 

[Sydla]

Everyone on our defensive line is a rotational piece. Kancey is not a liability against the run. Obviously you wouldn't want to use him in short yardage situations.

If I were king for a day.

Poona Ford and Hankins would be signed as the 1Ts. Bohanna can pound sand.

Then if the scouts like Kancey or Bresee, they get picked at 26, paired with Odi as the 3T and you have Watkins or Gallimore as the 5th DT.

 

[Killerinstinct]

If I were king for a day.

Poona Ford and Hankins would be signed as the 1Ts. Bohanna can pound sand.

Then if the scouts like Kancey or Bresee, they get picked at 26, paired with Odi as the 3T and you have Watkins or Gallimore as the 5th DT.

Sounds good to me and Gallimore wouldn't make it out of camp without major improvement

 

[tm1119]

While I’m not necessarily advocating Bresee at 26, I do think it’s important to actually watch the games and not just look at the stat sheet. I don’t think many DT’s would have excelled in Clemson’s 3-4 defense. Bresee was mostly used as a 5 tech that rarely got to shoot gaps or go 1 on 1 with an OG. When he did get that opportunity he was actually pretty impressive, unfortunately it just didn’t happen a lot. He’s definitely still a bit of projection and needs technique help working off blocks, but can’t write him off purely because of the stat sheet.