Brett Favre and the Sports Media World

[RoyTheHammer]

As for people in 1980 and earlier making up their own minds, yeah right, no one took what Walter Cronkite said and decided for him/herself. Vietnam protests had NOTHING to do with tv scenes of body bags etc

There were just fewer outlets then so the message was kept more tightly wrapped.

Calling people sheep really is a weak argument.

..and that is his ONLY argument. Its really quite pathetic. Anyone who doesn't agree with his opinion is obviously just a drone, piloted by the media.




Go back and read my threads and tell me i'm a sheep. Please. There's no reasonable argument you could ever make to justify that statement bud. I've too many criticisms about the man that the media would never think to discuss in a public forum.

You use that argument because you have no basis in, well.. reality, Reality. So instead of forming a logical opinion yourself you just want to try and marginalize the opinions of others on this site. Quite disappointing for an administrator here.

Honestly, you're trying to say that the media hates him and that they try and make it seem like everything he does is wrong?? That's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard. Again, up until a few years ago when his true colors came out, he was the biggest media darling ever! Even now, i don't see any reports bashing him nearly as hard as the media could for all he's done.

You have a guy in Washington right now.. who decided to skip all offseason and OTA's and all the workout sessions and everything because he was selfish.. and he didn't WANT to do it either, for different reasons albeit. And what do you see going on with him?

He's being completely trashed by the media, he's being called out by his teammates, no one feels anything for him, no one on his own team gives a damn about him. Yet Favre does THE EXACT SAME THING.. skips a whole offseason of work that ALL the rest of his teammates had to go through because Brett "DOESN'T WANT TO".. and what happens? He gets a free pass! Very few people in the media are even saying a word about it, when you know damn well behind closed doors people in the Vikings locker room, who Brett is going to have to rely on every single game, don't give a damn about the man. You can't possibly bond with your brothers or build chemistry when you're off doin your own ****in thing, while the rest of your family is in the weight room and on the field every single day bleeding and sweating with each other all toward one common goal.

But since he's 'Brett frigging Favre" he gets away with it.. for now. He can do what he wants. You can try to say they're totally different situations but when it comes down to it, both players were selfish and didn't want to be with their teammates in the offseason putting in the work with them. And yet, one man gets completely trashed for it in the media.. and one still gets headlines saying "Oh what will Brett do, will he come back?" Hell, his own agent bascially came out and said "im sick of Brett's bs, just make up ur damn mind already cuz everyone is tired of this old, pathetic act!"

I was trying to be civil about it all but when you come out and try and make everyone else seem like sheep to prop your own opinions up im just going to tell you straight up. Since you like "reality".. your argument that the media just trashes every move that Brett makes and that we all just blindly follow whatever they say is nothing but absolute garbage. It makes no sense at all.

Im sorry "Reality", but there's no way around how wrong you are about the man's character. And in my eyes, putting down the opinions of your own members here on this site that you helped create, and trying to make it seem like they can't think for themselves and are just spitting out bs that they don't even understand is just low man. For an administrator at such a special place as this, a place SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to promote discussion and debate, i'd expect alot more.


RTH

 

[RoyTheHammer]

No, back then, people formed their own opinions .. these days, people let the media shape it for them.

Seriously do me a favor and think about this ...

Why are you so bothered by whether or not Favre retires? Why are you bothered by anything Favre does or does not do?

Simple .. you are bothered because it's all sports media talks about at the moment. So the media incites you to be mad because it's all they talk about all day. Of course it was their decision, but they know what their readers/viewers/listeners want to hear.

I don't care if people hate Favre or not. That was not my point. The purpose of this thread was to try to get people to actually form original thoughts and break their reliance on sports media to form their opinions. I used the Brett Favre story simply because it's the current hot topic. I'm sure next week, the media will have moved on to a Terrell "the cancer" Owens story and many people will be waiting to jump on that bandwagon of hate.

Just do me a favor .. when the train of hate arrives back in Dallas at some point (and it will unfortunately) for some Romo, Bryant, Bennett, etc. rants and monologues, remember to leave your rose colored glasses at the door before posting since you don't want to come across being hypocritical ..

-Reality

See.. you're just never going to get it. The issue is not about what he does or does not do. Frankly, i couldn't care less about what he does. I just want to stop hearing about him. I want him gone from the media. He's not worth anyone's time.

At this point, he's an average football player at best, if he comes back he's not going to win a championship unless he's carried to it by him team, he's proven in the last couple years that he has no character and has disrespected teammates, entire organizations, and the culture of the game itself all in the name of Brett Farve and his massive (or not so massive at all according to that girl he sent his junk to lol) ego.

His legacy is a shell of what it once was, and we all just want to see him go away. We don't care if he stays and loses one more year or retires... just go the **** away!

Get it now? If not, this is my official "I give up on you." post. lol

 

[dbair1967]

I keep reading that Favre told teammates he is retiring. Yet I have not heard one single teammate say that he told them this. How can that be?

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The TE did say numerous teammates got the text message that Favre was retiring. He said he didnt receive one.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Remember that last year 'award winning and reputable' journalist Adam Shefter said there was a 'schism' in the Vikings locker room over Favre starting. Yet, nobody had a clue what Shefter was talking about.

It really defines the sports media, if they don't like you and they feel they can generate viewers/readers/Web site clicks, they will start all sorts of nonsense. That's where the Cowboys have always come in.






YR

 

[jimmy40]

As for people in 1980 and earlier making up their own minds, yeah right, no one took what Walter Cronkite said and decided for him/herself. Vietnam protests had NOTHING to do with tv scenes of body bags etc

There were just fewer outlets then so the message was kept more tightly wrapped.

Calling people sheep really is a weak argument.

now the Farve coverage is being compared to tv coverage of body bags coming home from Vietnam. what a dram queen. turn the damn channel if it bothers you so much

 

[Hostile]

The TE did say numerous teammates got the text message that Favre was retiring. He said he didnt receive one.

Yeah, which teammates? Every Vikings player I have seen interviewed said they did not get that text message. So, perhaps Shiancoe simply parroted what the media said, namely that Favre did this.

Think about it David. Sooner or later shouldn't one of these guys actually say, "yeah, I got that text message?" No one has.

So was Shiancoe mistaken? Why isn't that plausible? Favre himself has said he has a meeting with Dr. Andrews next week. Okay, so he'd be making a decision before consulting with the Dr.? Forgive me, why is anyone buying that?

Maybe he will retire. If he doesn't, I am going to chuckle at how many people bought this story without the words coming out of his mouth. Seriously, it's kind of funny man.

The only Vikings player who has said Favre is done that I know of is Shiancoe and he said he did not hear it himself, just heard that other players had heard from Favre. Who are they and why aren't they stepping up to say they got those texts?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

No, back then, people formed their own opinions .. these days, people let the media shape it for them.

And your basis for this is... What? The fact that people are sick of a player you like?

Seriously do me a favor and think about this ...

Why are you so bothered by whether or not Favre retires? Why are you bothered by anything Favre does or does not do?

I'm not bothered by him at all. To me, this is all noise. Either he'll play or he won't, and I'm not a Vikes fan so it doesn't affect me at all.

Why did you think it bothered me? Because I posted in this thread?

Simple .. you are bothered because it's all sports media talks about at the moment. So the media incites you to be mad because it's all they talk about all day. Of course it was their decision, but they know what their readers/viewers/listeners want to hear.

Again, you are completely off base. I don't even watch all this brainwashing "sports media" you speak of. I don't watch ESPN or even NFLN, or at least haven't the last several months. I listen to DFW sports talk, but they've talked about the Cowboys and Rangers and have barely touched on Favre.

I don't care if people hate Favre or not. That was not my point. The purpose of this thread was to try to get people to actually form original thoughts and break their reliance on sports media to form their opinions. I used the Brett Favre story simply because it's the current hot topic. I'm sure next week, the media will have moved on to a Terrell "the cancer" Owens story and many people will be waiting to jump on that bandwagon of hate.

Just do me a favor .. when the train of hate arrives back in Dallas at some point (and it will unfortunately) for some Romo, Bryant, Bennett, etc. rants and monologues, remember to leave your rose colored glasses at the door before posting since you don't want to come across being hypocritical ..

-Reality

Your TO example might have actually made sense, because they have railed against TO for years. Don't you see that Favre is the opposite? All they've done forever is try to convince us what a great ol' simple football-lovin' country boy he is. Ever heard of John Madden?

And now you're claiming they're on some crusade to get everyone to hate Brett Favre? I haven't watched enough to know for sure, but I seriously doubt it.

And nothing I've said has been hypocritical. Sorry.

 

[Joe Realist]

I'm glad this is happening as it takes the spotlight off the Cowboys for the moment.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I haven't read the entire thread, so this might have already been stated.

I personally don't feel Favruh is a media-*****.

His inability to make a strong commitment has gone on for the past what, four years?

His accomplishments coupled with the position he plays, theres an abundance of media coverage and scrutiny involved in his decisions.

Couple that with modern-day media sensationalism plus overly eager 'journalists' trying to 'break' a story, and these firestorms happen.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

now the Farve coverage is being compared to tv coverage of body bags coming home from Vietnam. what a dram queen. turn the damn channel if it bothers you so much

Don't be a simpleton, you know the context in which the comment was made. Reality was making out that years ago people formed their own opinion and that the media had nothing to do with the opinions formed. I showed him to be wrong.

 

[Vtwin]

So if a pack of reporters camps out at your house, follows you around town, and calls you non-stop every day for weeks asking the same question over and over that means YOU are a media *****, eh?

Thanks for proving my point though ..

-Reality

"No comment"

 

[Hoofbite]

First of all I didn't say he was the best QB. I said he was a damned good one. There is a huge difference.

I never said that you made the claim. My saying he wasn't the best was simply pointing out that there are players who are better and don't feel the sense of privilege that Favre does.

Now as to your claim that the analogy isn't good. Of course it isn't because it makes a point that you don't like. So much so that per you somehow now sports is not entertainment.

Regardless of how they get paid, actors, performers, and athletes are all entertainers. You buy a ticket to go see them. You buy jerseys, t-shirts, posters, and for sports trading cards. It is an entertainment field. The E in the ESPN acronym is "Entertainment."

No, it's not a good analogy because athletes are not paid based on how much exposure they get.

That is why I have never cared two hoots in hell about who Tony Romo is knocking boots with. It's why I don't care what direction the bill of his hat is pointed. I watch the game. I love the game. He plays the game beautifully.

So does Favre.

He's a good player. No argument about him being able to strap on the pads.

I actually pity anyone who simply can't enjoy the way the guy plays the game. I really do. It is a marvelous spectacle. Forget his age. Forget his past accomplishments. Focus on the now.

As he stands right now, Geritol and Depends fighting for the right to be his first post playing career endorsement, that unshaven old geezer is still a damned entertaining football player.

I am going to enjoy it for as long as I can. if it is over, I will have enjoyed it. If you prefer the bile, enjoy the bile. Me, I can't do that. There are players I do not care for. This guy is not one of them He plays the game the way it ought to be played.

The rest is just window dressing.

No he doesn't. He skips offseason work because he thinks he's above it. He used to play the game the way it should be played.

That's really all there is to it. He flashes his "pass" and shows up on his own time. I think that's pretty self-centered.

 

[Hoofbite]

Do a survey and ask all veterans age 30 or above if they would skip training camp if they could and you'll find most would do it.

I have no doubt that players want to. It's the fact that they don't that matters.

You are really off base here. Favre loves playing the game and always has. I guarantee you that once he finally does end his NFL career, he'll stay involved with the game on a local level for many more years simply because he loves football.

I have no doubt he loves the game. I'm sure he has feelings for the game but I highly doubt he "loves" the game as much as billed. I just think he loves himself, his personal agenda and "legacy" more than he "loves" the game.

I think you can say that about most former super stars toward the end of their careers. Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, T.O., Chris Carter, ... the list is endless.

How many of those other guys skipped training camp. He's not even in the state. Not faking an injury like TO likes to do, he's just not even there.

Well, I hope Romo follows his childhood idol then because that "joke of a player" had one heck of a season last year and and one Peterson fumble away from going to the Super Bowl.

Him being a joke has nothing to do with how well he has or has not played. Yes, he had a great year. Likely the best year of his career but what about a couple years ago when he threw like 30 INTs. I didn't call him a joke because he sucks. He doesn't suck. I called him a joke because he's playing simply to ego-stroke and it's clear as day.

 

[mmurray21]

I think the problem with the media(and often this board) is that people brush past the actual facts of a case and jump right into prescribing a persons motivation. People speculate their way into narratives and then selectively cherry pick information to fit into that narrative.

None of know Brett, so it SHOULD be extremely difficult for us to call him a drama *****. We do know that he doesn't like training camp, loves to play in games, and doesn't particularly care about how this might effect the chemistry of the team. Most of his teammates could care less as long as they are winning. When the team starts losing games, that's when you start the hear about issues like this. I would agree that everyone is making too big a deal about this. If they get to the Superbowl, this will all be forgotten, if they don't, then people can speculate that he ruined team chemistry by not being in camp and rehabbing like everyone else on the team.

He might be attention seeking, but he could just as easily be a person who feels like he doesn't need training camp and wants to avoid it at all costs. You may be justified in calling him selfish, but I doubt he would be the first or last athlete that wants special treatment.

What I do take issue with is this notion that the "dong picture" story is made up because now the media has an axe to grind against the guy. There is no evidence of this at all.

 

[Silverstar]

I only want Favre to come back, so we can kick his *** this season!


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I want to see him suffer and pounded to the ground again and again.

Oh please come back Favre, so Dallas can kick the living **** out of you.

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[Gemini Dolly]

I only want Favre to come back, so we can kick his *** this season!


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I want to see him suffer and pounded to the ground again and again.

Oh please come back Favre, so Dallas can kick the living **** out of you.

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