Brian Price's Surgery

FuzzyLumpkins

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We are thin on the DL and this guy coming around would go a long way towards solving that. I knew that he was injured but had no idea with what.

Price underwent two rare and radical surgeries — one on each side of his pelvis — to correct his problem. Those involved using two metal screws per side to anchor a large piece of bone back to the pelvis. That piece of bone, on each side, is where the hamstrings attach.

According to Buccaneers trainer Todd Toriscelli, whereas the two pieces of the pelvis normally fuse into a single bone in adults, the halves of Price's pelvis were connected by a more breakable cartilage. The player's hamstrings — tight as piano wire — were progressively pulling apart his pelvis.

The Buccaneers were alerted to the problem in Price's first minicamp, when he was injured during a drill in which the defensive linemen had to pick up a tennis ball while running, an exercise that reminds them to stay low to the ground.

An MRI exam showed that not only had Price broken his pelvis on one side, but there also were signs of the same problem on the other side.

"That happens to a small percentage of the population," Toriscelli said. "But in professional football it hadn't been seen where someone actually had that and went on to injure it."

That Price was injured picking up a tennis ball is bizarre considering he was a 300-pound nightmare for UCLA opponents, repeatedly bursting through double- and sometimes triple-teams to get to the football. In 2009, he was named the Pacific 10 Conference's defensive player of the year and was drafted 35th overall.

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I have read other articles and from what I read, the two halves of his pelvis did not fuse to bone as he grew up. Instead it was some cartilage like tissue. Because of that it was detaching the hamstring from the pelvis AND breaking the pelvis. Sound absolutely awful.

Well they do what doctors do nowadays and fused it with titanium plates and screws. As an aside, think very, very hard before agreeing to have a lamenectomy but I digress.

He had the surgery on both sides of his pelvis and he will be two years post op by the beginning of the season. I was curious what the various medical types around here thought of the procedure and the viability of him coming back.
 

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That sounds incredibly painful.

Just reading the tea leaves, I haven't heard any issues regarding him and his health during the off-season and heading into the mini-camps. Fingers crossed, hopefully he can play now.

I'm assuming if he was still injured enough to not participate, something would have been mentioned - and we probably would look to bring in another DT.
 

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He looks like a good prospect to me.

I watched some videos of him yesterday and looks like Canty with more athleticism.

I don't know if it translated to the Pro's in Tampa but his UCLA stuff looks pretty good.
 

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He played a season in Tampa after the surgery. Maybe he wasn't totally back but the surgery must have been considered a success.
 

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One thing to note is that he had his surgery prior to playing with Tampa. Yet he still started a full season as the 1 tech for Tampa.

His issues with being out of football last year might be more related to the emotional issues than anything medical.
 

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Saw him play in Tampa.

I'm really pulling for him, but he could barely walk.
 

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speedkilz88;5071505 said:
He played a season in Tampa after the surgery. Maybe he wasn't totally back but the surgery must have been considered a success.

He also played for a little while under Marinelli with the Bears, but they released him to clear room for Amobi Okoye.


It was widely reported the death of his sister from a hit and run car accident, and the depression was a bigger issue than health of his hamstrings. He had to spend 3 days in the hospital because he wasn't able to sleep or eat. At one time he was in the process of adopting her two orphaned children, because their dad wasn't around. He's also lost two brothers from gang related shootings in is life.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/24/brian-price-opens-up-about-the-loss-of-his-sister/

He also spent a lot of time around former Cowboys DL coach and OU HC John Blake working on refining his technique, who I'm sure the Cowboys used for background info.
 

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Really pulling for this guy he was a beast in ucla and I remember him coming out of the draft, of his injury problems dong follow him here oh boy he'll be our 1-tech I think that's why we didn't draft a DT cause of this guy, he can be a steal for us and he's on a cheap deal so we are good.
 

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If anyone has a Game Rewind subscription, pull up 2011 Week 3 Game Bucs vs. Atlanta. He was playing 1 tech in Raheem Morris' Tampa 4-3, and was an absolute beast. He was in the Falcons backfield all day. His conditioning wasn't great since he was unable to do any training all offseason coming off the surgery, he had a pretty sizable gut and was huffing pretty bad. He rotated quite a bit with Roy Miller (who is a good 1 tech in his own right), but if the Cowboys get anything close to that he'll be a contributor next year.
 

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was rooting for this guy as we can use the help; but now rooting for him because of his story. this guy should be a fan favorite.

god bless this dude. for real.
 

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I thought the below was very encouraging.

But might there be another player on our roster who could possibly fit the bill?

In late December, the Cowboys signed a handful of players to futures contracts. As expected, most of them were players that I had never heard of. But when I saw "Brian Price - DT", my eyes widened. Brian Price? 2nd round draft pick out of UCLA by Tampa Bay in 2010? That had to be wrong.

A little background on me. I'm a California native, and have lived in SoCal for the past 22 years, since I moved down here for college. And as amazing as my alma mater is, it doesn't have a football program, so I've adopted UCLA as my team (I've had a soft spot for the gutty little Bruins since a certain #8 played there in the late 80s, once I heard rumors that the Cowboys were likely going to pick him number one overall), and have watched most of their games over the past two decades. UCLA is generally not a great football program, but they have had some good years (late 90s in particular), and have had a handful of special players that you knew were going to be solid-to-great pros.

Aside from Maurice Jones-Drew, Brian Price is the best player I've seen at UCLA in the last 20 years.

Price was UCLA's top recruit in 2006, a beast of a DT who had 22 sacks as a high school junior, and then 15 more as a high school senior despite facing triple teams on a regular basis. He came from the extremely rough South Central LA area (ever see Boyz N The Hood? That's South Central), but was a good kid from a strong family. Some issues with the NCAA Clearinghouse his freshman year limited him to 6 games in 2007, but even in those games you could see that he was something special, with his ridiculous speed and strength and explosive burst off the snap. After his promising freshman debut, Price was a dominant force on the UCLA front in 2008 and 2009, making his home in opposing backfields. He was first team all Pac-10 over the next two years, and in 2009 was the Pac-10 Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team AP All-American, with 7 sacks and 23.5 tackles for loss. Although I really liked him as a player, at 6'1, 303, he was clearly a 4-3 DT, and I knew that he would not be high on our board.

OCC has been a proponent of Pat Kirwan's Production Ratio (sacks + tackles for loss / games played) as a simple but fairly effective predictor of the playmaking potential of a DL/OLB. Using that metric, Price was literally off the charts in college. For a pure pass rusher (which a 4-3 DT is not), a production ratio of at least 1.5 is considered the hallmark of an elite talent. Check out Price's production ratios:
●2007 - 6 games, 1 sack, 7 tackles for loss. Production ratio: 1.33
●2008 - 12 games, 4.5 sacks, 14 tackles for loss. Production ratio: 1.54
●2009 - 13 games, 7 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss. Production ratio: 2.35

Again, for a 4-3 DT, those numbers are astonishing. Over his college career, Price had a production ratio of 1.84 (12.5 sacks, 44.5 TFL, 31 games). Over his last 2 seasons, that ratio is 1.96. You know who else has had a production ratio like that in the 2012 draft? No one. How about 2011? Nope. You have to go back to 2010 to find that Ndamukong Suh had a production ratio of 2.07 over his last 2 seasons (but only 1.41 over his college career). Price's productivity numbers rank right up there with JJ Watt.

So how did we pick up Brian Price off the scrap heap less than 3 years after he was drafted? Well, frankly, injuries and personal issues.

Midway during his rookie season it was discovered that he had a congenital defect in his pelvis that resulted in his hamstrings slowly pulling his pelvis apart, and had to have a fairly radical surgery on both sides of his pelvis that ended his season. Then the lockout hit, and he was unable to work with the training staff in the offseason on his rehab and had to go it alone. In July of 2011, he could only run 10 steps, but he was in the starting lineup two months later when the season started. He struggled that season with hamstring issues related to his surgeries, and then had a falling out with Raheem Morris (who had clearly lost the team and was looking for a scapegoat. It appears that he found one in the injured and struggling Price).

Then, in May of 2012, Price lost his older sister in a car accident (this after losing two brothers to gang violence when he was a kid). Price was extremely close to his sister, and his grief over her loss resulted in him suffering a breakdown. Upon returning to the team he had an altercation with rookie Mark Barron (apparently Barron was sitting in Price's customary seat in a meeting room, and when Price asked him to move, Barron popped off at him, and Price decked him). He was then traded in July to Chicago, and then waived in September after suffering a leg injury. He tried out for the Broncos and Vikings (twice) during the 2012 season before being signed by the Cowboys to a futures contract. This is purely speculation on my part, but I imagine that the loss of his sister (which resulted in him adopting her two young sons) hit him extremely hard, and his head and heart simply weren't right last year.

Can he return to be the wrecking ball he was at UCLA? I don't know. Only time will tell. But if he's fully recovered from his injuries, and has regained his desire to be a dominant force, then we may have already solved one of our roster problems. I know I'm rooting for him - he's my pet cat for the year.

(Here are a few draft highlight videos that I forgot to include in my initial post):



DT Brian Price Highlights/Lowlights 2009 UCLA (via ProDraftParty)
 

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InmanRoshi;5071649 said:
If anyone has a Game Rewind subscription, pull up 2011 Week 3 Game Bucs vs. Atlanta. He was playing 1 tech in Raheem Morris' Tampa 4-3, and was an absolute beast. He was in the Falcons backfield all day. His conditioning wasn't great since he was unable to do any training all offseason coming off the surgery, he had a pretty sizable gut and was huffing pretty bad. He rotated quite a bit with Roy Miller (who is a good 1 tech in his own right), but if the Cowboys get anything close to that he'll be a contributor next year.
Wow. He was impressive. Excellent power and quickness. He was blowing up the Center.

As you indicated, they were rotating him out a lot.

His build reminds me of Warren Sapp. Short DT with very large lower body that does not look like a person that could move that quickly, yet he does.
 

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I thought Price was a 3 coming out of college? Did he rotate between both spots in Tampa or was he purely a 1?

If he's going to be a 1 and actually comes to camp in shape and with the right frame of mind maybe a rotation of Price and Lissemore will be enough.
 

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Wow. He was impressive. Excellent power and quickness. He was blowing up the Center.

As you indicated, they were rotating him out a lot.

His build reminds me of Warren Sapp. Short DT with very large lower body that does not look like a person that could move that quickly, yet he does.


I think even in that game he was pretty badly overweight and out of shape from the post-surgery and rehab, still. His stamina was pretty bad. I've seen other stories about him from that training camp where he said he was heavy from not being able to workout all offseason. He weighed 295 at his Combine, but he looks like he weighs in the 320-330+ range there. A month before training camp and he still couldn't even run.

His recovery was complicated by the lockout, because Price was not able to work with Toriscelli and therefore had to arrange a lot of his treatment himself. Returning to football by this season almost seemed like a fantasy.

Toriscelli got a chance to work with him for a day in April when the lockout was briefly lifted, and the trainer was not encouraged by what he saw. Price was dedicated as usual, and his tolerance for pain was typically sky-high, but he had so far to go.

Price was similarly discouraged in July, when he tried to run for the first time after surgery, and could not even get a block outside his Tampa high-rise before the searing pain in his hamstrings was too much to handle. He made it 10 steps.

The next day, he got farther. And the next day farther still.

"After a couple of weeks I was jogging far," he said. "I was proud of myself, like, 'Man, just a couple of weeks ago I could only do 10 steps. Look at me now.' "

He topped out at a mile, which was a lot for a huge man who had moved very little in the previous eight months. He bought a bike, and one day rode it eight miles. The recovery was slow and painful — it still is — but Price was inching forward.

His rookie year he was bothered by the chronic hammies all year. His sophomore year he was recovering from the surgery and not having an offseason to rehab. His third year he had the despression and morning for his sister. I'm not sure the NFL has seen the real Brian Price yet.
 

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I've never seen anyone with the condition that I know of and I've never seen anyone have this particular surgery.

In principle two years post surgery the bone healing should have maximized with little chance to fracture at this stage. He should have had enough time to rehab his hamstring strength and flexibility if he has been dedicated. He has already played a fair bit so he should be well through that stage of not trusting his injured body part.

Now he just has to show he can still get out there and compete. He is still very young and shouldn't have had much wear and tear on his body the last two years. I hope he has gotten himself back together mentally after the loss of his sister.

I wonder if Marinelli knows what he has in him for the 3-tech after looking at him again at Valley Ranch. Perhaps he saw glimpses of the guy who was once an early second round pick now that Price is in a better place mentally.

Regardless, I continue to be baflled by the FO's stance that the DL is fine and not in need of any help either from the draft, FA or UDFA. I can only assume they have seen something in the youngsters that we don't know about. I see an old DL coming off a couple of mediocre years. I also see a DL where it's two best players have hit 30 and were horribly banged up last year.

They say they see something in Lissemore but I think he regressed some from his 2nd year when he seemed to be more relentless and active and disruptive. He looks like only rotational filler at this stage having completed 3 seasons without the light definitively coming on. I have more faith in Crawford who seems to have more of that quick twitch 3-tech ability than anyone else on the roster right now but seems a little light to play there full-time without gaining another 10-15 pounds. After that I only see Price, Calloway and Ben Bass. Kyle Wilbur is a bit of an unknown but he seems kind of light in the trunk to play DE and will need to gain about 15 pounds or so to make the conversion. Perhaps Albright is projected here to DE as well but he isn't much of a quick twitch athlete although he does seem to have decent strength and some good lateral agility.

I really hope that Price is the guy who shines here. He is the one young player who has the size and explosive ability to be a big difference maker at the 3-tech.
 

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He mostly played 1 tech for Raheem's Tampa 2, though he and McCoy would swap from time to time. .

Here's some clips from the Atlanta game I brought up. This is his 3rd game back from the surgery. Excuse the poor video quality, I'm just using crappy freeware video capture software on an old laptop.


Price is #92.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMMkVieDNko&feature=youtu.be
 

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InmanRoshi;5072133 said:
I think even in that game he was pretty badly overweight and out of shape from the post-surgery and rehab, still. His stamina was pretty bad. I've seen other stories about him from that training camp where he said he was heavy from not being able to workout all offseason. He weighed 295 at his Combine, but he looks like he weighs in the 320-330+ range there. A month before training camp and he still couldn't even run.
Yes, he looked much much heavier than 295.

It is impressive that he was doing that in game 3 after radical surgery in the spring.
 
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