Brice Butler

[robbieruff]

Frankly I think we shud resign him. He seems to have some semblance of chemistry with Dak and he’s capable of making big plays here and there. He won’t cost much it now seems.

 

[Melonfeud]

Of course he had less catches 2016, he had less targets too, they had Zeke for 16 and Beasley was targeted more...lol

Lol... Dez had 132 targets
Brice had all of 23 targets, of course his catch rate should be higher....lol

In no universe is Butler better tha Dez....lol

The UNIVERSE of UNKNOWNS specifically applies the dictum of quantitative variables in it's casing-liner of probables,,,were #19 to have been the recipient of 132 targeted dreams & #88 to have been awarded a mere flicker of thought concerning the GRAND SCHEME in only 23 dial ups,,,INDEED the CONCEPT is SOBERING




(I luv Dez,don't get me wrong,but I'm grooving to #19's *itch,TOO)

 

[xwalker]

X you either hate Dez, or you don’t know what you’re watching(which I think you do) I watch film as well, I also do it for coaching purposes as I’m a Wr/DB coach at the school I coach. If I had the capability right now to show you cut ups, I could show you in just about every game where the qb was highly inaccurate, turned down throws that weren’t all that tight and WRs(including Dez) that were open and he easier didn’t see, got off the read too quickly, or was way late on the throw. There’s no doubt Dez wasn’t dominant, but just as much as Dez had some issues, the qb play played a big part as well.

Yes, Dak missed some throws. But the vast percentage of problems were Dez.

There is no reason Butler running primarily deep routes should be at 65% catch rate with Dez at 50%.

People here have refereced specific plays where they said WRs were open. The vast majority of those turned out to be at the wrong time or when Dak was escaping pressure and couldn't throw at that moment. Some of the plays people referenced a WR was coming open when Dak was in the process of throwing to someone else.

Also it was obvious Dak was coached to stay with Dez longer in his reads than is normal. When he did that and Dez didn't get open, Dak had to throw it away. Many of the throw aways were intrepreted by fans as inaccurate throws.

Hopefully you have all-22 because the broadcast often makes it impossible to see both the QB and WRs at the same time.

The Cowboys could have solved some problems with 1 simple change. On many plays Dez was the primary target in the play call. Just letting Dak change that pre-snap based on defensive alignment would have made much better. There were many snaps where Dez was the primary read but it was obvious he was unlikely he was going to get open. Once we saw the route he ran, knowing that pre-snap would have made it even more obvious. By the time Dak wasted his read on Dez, he was often under pressure and couldn't throw to receivers that did get open or receivers were open at the time Dak was on his read of Dez.

I suspect Jerry pushed the issue of force feeding the ball to Dez. It seemed obvious many times that Dak was being forced to target Dez more than was natural.

It's cool that you are coaching WRs but as I'm sure you know, watching NFL offenses does not translate that well to high school. When I played in high school we watched more college offenses than Pro because we were not going to face anything remotely similar to an NFL defense. It would be like measuring something with a micrometer and then cutting it with an axe.

 

[xwalker]

BS X

Everybody knows that Garrett just answers everything to mnimize how the media can turn it into something negative or controversial.

The only time he was remotely genuine or human was after Jerry Browns death with Josh Brent driving.

 

[Dre11]

Yes, Dak missed some throws. But the vast percentage of problems were Dez.

There is no reason Butler running primarily deep routes should be at 65% catch rate with Dez at 50%.

People here have refereced specific plays where they said WRs were open. The vast majority of those turned out to be at the wrong time or when Dak was escaping pressure and couldn't throw at that moment. Some of the plays people referenced a WR was coming open when Dak was in the process of throwing to someone else.

Also it was obvious Dak was coached to stay with Dez longer in his reads than is normal. When he did that and Dez didn't get open, Dak had to throw it away. Many of the throw aways were intrepreted by fans as inaccurate throws.

Hopefully you have all-22 because the broadcast often makes it impossible to see both the QB and WRs at the same time.

The Cowboys could have solved some problems with 1 simple change. On many plays Dez was the primary target in the play call. Just letting Dak change that pre-snap based on defensive alignment would have made much better. There were many snaps where Dez was the primary read but it was obvious he was unlikely he was going to get open. Once we saw the route he ran, knowing that pre-snap would have made it even more obvious. By the time Dak wasted his read on Dez, he was often under pressure and couldn't throw to receivers that did get open or receivers were open at the time Dak was on his read of Dez.

I suspect Jerry pushed the issue of force feeding the ball to Dez. It seemed obvious many times that Dak was being forced to target Dez more than was natural.

It's cool that you are coaching WRs but as I'm sure you know, watching NFL offenses does not translate that well to high school. When I played in high school we watched more college offenses than Pro because we were not going to face anything remotely similar to an NFL defense. It would be like measuring something with a micrometer and then cutting it with an axe.

X you keep talkative nag about Butler measly 20 something throws, where he had 3 drops, Dez had 7 or 8 in 132.

Also Dak had the same problems with all his WRs last season , so it had absolutely nothing to do with him forcing balls to Dez. He couldn’t even hit Zeke on a simple tunnel screen from the slot without sailing it 10 feet over his head. Your hate is obvious, because your criticism is off.

The foundation of playing any position starts in HS, let’s not get it twisted.

 

[Dre11]

Everybody knows that Garrett just answers everything to mnimize how the media can turn it into something negative or controversial.

The only time he was remotely genuine or human was after Jerry Browns death with Josh Brent driving.

You’re making assumptions because it doesn’t fit your narrative, he also has no problem criticizing either.

 

[xwalker]

X you keep talkative nag about Butler measly 20 something throws, where he had 3 drops, Dez had 7 or 8 in 132.

Also Dak had the same problems with all his WRs last season , so it had absolutely nothing to do with him forcing balls to Dez. He couldn’t even hit Zeke on a simple tunnel screen from the slot without sailing it 10 feet over his head. Your hate is obvious, because your criticism is off.

The foundation of playing any position starts in HS, let’s not get it twisted.

I know the play to Zeke that you are referencing. He was worried about it getting blocked and threw it high. IIRC Zeke stopped or slowed up more than I would have expected which made the throw seem much farther off. QBs throw with an expectation of the receiver moving forward at a certain rate.

Dak didn't have the same problem with all WRs. TWill and Butler were around 65% catch rate, Witten 72% but Dez 50%.

Drops stats are nonsense. You can watch a game and compare to how many passes were called drops and it's not something anybody would really agree with. They basically call them uncatchable if the ball is more than a few inches from dead-center on the Jersey numbers.

Nevertheless, if you are going to reference drop stats, then use the ones game announcers use, not the ones from Fox or somewhere. The ones I'm referring to had Dez and other WRs in double digits. If you see any with Dez in single digits then you are looking at the wrong ones.

 

[xwalker]

You’re making assumptions because it doesn’t fit your narrative, he also has no problem criticizing either.

No it's been repeated ad nauseum by both fans and media. Garrett is robotic, etc..

 

[Melonfeud]

Yes, Dak missed some throws. But the vast percentage of problems were Dez.

There is no reason Butler running primarily deep routes should be at 65% catch rate with Dez at 50%.

People here have refereced specific plays where they said WRs were open. The vast majority of those turned out to be at the wrong time or when Dak was escaping pressure and couldn't throw at that moment. Some of the plays people referenced a WR was coming open when Dak was in the process of throwing to someone else.

Also it was obvious Dak was coached to stay with Dez longer in his reads than is normal. When he did that and Dez didn't get open, Dak had to throw it away. Many of the throw aways were intrepreted by fans as inaccurate throws.

Hopefully you have all-22 because the broadcast often makes it impossible to see both the QB and WRs at the same time.

The Cowboys could have solved some problems with 1 simple change. On many plays Dez was the primary target in the play call. Just letting Dak change that pre-snap based on defensive alignment would have made much better. There were many snaps where Dez was the primary read but it was obvious he was unlikely he was going to get open. Once we saw the route he ran, knowing that pre-snap would have made it even more obvious. By the time Dak wasted his read on Dez, he was often under pressure and couldn't throw to receivers that did get open or receivers were open at the time Dak was on his read of Dez.

I suspect Jerry pushed the issue of force feeding the ball to Dez. It seemed obvious many times that Dak was being forced to target Dez more than was natural.

It's cool that you are coaching WRs but as I'm sure you know, watching NFL offenses does not translate that well to high school. When I played in high school we watched more college offenses than Pro because we were not going to face anything remotely similar to an NFL defense. It would be like measuring something with a micrometer and then cutting it with an axe.

Give that man a CIGAR!,,, for you sir,have it,from the oft overlooked perch of astutement,,, for 'I the Jerry' demand targeting my premier chosen one to showcase my Superior Grasp that I have upon the helm of "DREADNOUGHT DALLAS",,,,




(YUK-YUK's aside,yer' spot on, in seeing that 'command from above' was calling in the attack plan with spearhead88 )

 

[xwalker]

Give that man a CIGAR!,,, for you sir,have it,from the oft overlooked perch of astutement,,, for 'I the Jerry' demand targeting my premier chosen one to showcase my Superior Grasp that I have upon the helm of "DREADNOUGHT DALLAS",,,,




(YUK-YUK's aside,yer' spot on, in seeing that 'command from above' was calling in the attack plan with spearhead88 )

Something about Dreadnought reminded me of Jethro being a double naught spy.

Trivia: Did anybody know that Sharon Tate (Murdered by Manson) was on the Jethro's first love episode?

 

[sideon]

Yes, Dak missed some throws. But the vast percentage of problems were Dez.

There is no reason Butler running primarily deep routes should be at 65% catch rate with Dez at 50%.

People here have refereced specific plays where they said WRs were open. The vast majority of those turned out to be at the wrong time or when Dak was escaping pressure and couldn't throw at that moment. Some of the plays people referenced a WR was coming open when Dak was in the process of throwing to someone else.

Also it was obvious Dak was coached to stay with Dez longer in his reads than is normal. When he did that and Dez didn't get open, Dak had to throw it away. Many of the throw aways were intrepreted by fans as inaccurate throws.

Hopefully you have all-22 because the broadcast often makes it impossible to see both the QB and WRs at the same time.

The Cowboys could have solved some problems with 1 simple change. On many plays Dez was the primary target in the play call. Just letting Dak change that pre-snap based on defensive alignment would have made much better. There were many snaps where Dez was the primary read but it was obvious he was unlikely he was going to get open. Once we saw the route he ran, knowing that pre-snap would have made it even more obvious. By the time Dak wasted his read on Dez, he was often under pressure and couldn't throw to receivers that did get open or receivers were open at the time Dak was on his read of Dez.

I suspect Jerry pushed the issue of force feeding the ball to Dez. It seemed obvious many times that Dak was being forced to target Dez more than was natural.

It's cool that you are coaching WRs but as I'm sure you know, watching NFL offenses does not translate that well to high school. When I played in high school we watched more college offenses than Pro because we were not going to face anything remotely similar to an NFL defense. It would be like measuring something with a micrometer and then cutting it with an axe.

The vast problems were on Dak, you keep focusing on Dez when Dak couldn't hit any WR.

 

[xwalker]

The vast problems were on Dak, you keep focusing on Dez when Dak couldn't hit any WR.

Wrong.

How much time did you spend watching the coaches film? I spent about 10 hours per game.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Need Zeke for checkdowns.

Zeke needs to actually run routes. I remember all that noise about what a great route runner he was, and how he had WR level skills.

Maybe that's not true. Maybe he's just got great hands, and is the most dangerous player on offense in the open field. Ok. That's enough.

Zeke should be *featured* in the passing game, not just a check down. Let him spend all game running over the secondary, instead of running through the dline.

I really hate how the Garrett era only used the feature back on checkdowns, instead of making the back a top option with an actual route.

We did it once, with Kitna and Felix. And Felix was the best per target RB in the league that year.

Offseasons are hell, because more than half the issues with the team stem from coaching failures, and there is not hope of change, because we don't change them, and there are no coaches to coach the coaches out of their stupidity.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The vast problems were on Dak, you keep focusing on Dez when Dak couldn't hit any WR.

lol. Vast probs were just as on the wr's not getting open as on Dak missing wr's.

 

[Gameover]

 

[Cowpolk]

The UNIVERSE of UNKNOWNS specifically applies the dictum of quantitative variables in it's casing-liner of probables,,,were #19 to have been the recipient of 132 targeted dreams & #88 to have been awarded a mere flicker of thought concerning the GRAND SCHEME in only 23 dial ups,,,INDEED the CONCEPT is SOBERING




(I luv Dez,don't get me wrong,but I'm grooving to #19's *itch,TOO)

Sobering is a curse word

 

[Cowpolk]

Wrong.

How much time did you spend watching the coaches film? I spent about 10 hours per game.

That is way to much time to have not learned anything

 

[Blackrain]

Frankly I think we shud resign him. He seems to have some semblance of chemistry with Dak and he’s capable of making big plays here and there. He won’t cost much it now seems.

Agreed both Dez and Butler are mental midgets but Butler is younger much faster and way cheaper . Beyond that Dak is more comfortable throwing to him .
Since we have decided to do nothing in FA to bolster our WR problem we need to sign Butler and let him compete in camp with Dez and Twill and the best men play period no matter who is making what money.

Let the new receiver coach earn his money and get Dak and these guys on the same page . Butler has the speed to stretch the field . We need help on defense and cant afford to waste a pick on a receiver when its not a good receiving class anyway .

Honestly if Dez cant get his focus back we need to cut him for the good of the team . Forcing the ball to a guy who hears footsteps is a recipe for disaster . Watch Amendola in the game against the Jags that's what a veteran receiver is supposed to do when you need to win the game . Dez is a polar opposite at this time . Brady wasn't accurate either and gave him some tough balls to catch . Dez cant even catch them when they hit him in the head.

 

[Quickdraw]

Butler's made it known that he wants to be the #1 WR. If Dez doesn't get let go, he's still going to be the #1. Butler wants out if he isn't the #1 so I don't see him as a Cowboy this coming season. If he stays, it's only because he didn't get the offer he was looking for elsewhere.

 

[Jarv]

I thought Butler looked good on the limited opportunities he was given.