Brief defensive blurb

[jobberone]

Was trying to do something comprehensive but forgot about the World Series so here's a tease.

We are 17th defensively overall. I've heard about the poor pass defense and some overall criticism of the D so I thought I'd bring this up. We've given up 155 pts but 51 came in one game. Now I realize those ARE points given up no matter how you slice it. But if you consider that game a bit of an aberration we are bunched with several clubs around the 7 to 12 area.

We're giving up 17 ppg in the other six games. That's two games around 30, one 3, one 7, and two around 17 ppg. I'm sure I'll get the 'but you can't do that' but there is some statistical validity for throwing out the high and low score. Throw out both and we're at the target of 17 or less a game.

I wouldn't use that to make any predictions with our injury problems and depth issues but I get a little warm and fuzzy feeling from it despite the juggling.

 

[jobberone]

Well, at least the Red Sox are up. I'm taking bets on the over/under for this thread.

 

[gimmesix]

Was trying to do something comprehensive but forgot about the World Series so here's a tease.

We are 17th defensively overall. I've heard about the poor pass defense and some overall criticism of the D so I thought I'd bring this up. We've given up 155 pts but 51 came in one game. Now I realize those ARE points given up no matter how you slice it. But if you consider that game a bit of an aberration we are bunched with several clubs around the 7 to 12 area.

We're giving up 17 ppg in the other six games. That's two games around 30, one 3, one 7, and two around 17 ppg. I'm sure I'll get the 'but you can't do that' but there is some statistical validity for throwing out the high and low score. Throw out both and we're at the target of 17 or less a game.

I wouldn't use that to make any predictions with our injury problems and depth issues but I get a little warm and fuzzy feeling from it despite the juggling.

The past two weeks, the defense has played at a higher level, especially with the secondary improving with the change to more single-high man coverage.

The funny thing is it was the Denver game showed us that we needed to make that switch, because the corners played well overall with a lot of man looks. The coverage by the linebackers and safeties stunk in that game, though.

 

[jazzcat22]

By the same theory, take away the 48 points on offense, and the defensive TD's, what do we have 3 or 4. The offense is only then averaging around, 20 ppg.
Offense is not as good as it seems either. Still should be punching it in the endzone in the redzone more often than they do.

I do understand what you are saying though. I like what I been seeing from the defense these past 2 games.
Defense is better than the stats show, offense is still finding it's way, but both are improving each week, in spite of the lack of scoring. [less the Denver game]

 

[jobberone]

The past two weeks, the defense has played at a higher level, especially with the secondary improving with the change to more single-high man coverage.

The funny thing is it was the Denver game showed us that we needed to make that switch, because the corners played well overall with a lot of man looks. The coverage by the linebackers and safeties stunk in that game, though.

I agree. Many were clambering for a single high safety man under and by golly, Kiffin listened to us. Sure has helped. But not having Wilcox may hurt that D.

 

[jobberone]

By the same theory, take away the 48 points on offense, and the defensive TD's, what do we have 3 or 4. The offense is only then averaging around, 20 ppg.
Offense is not as good as it seems either. Still should be punching it in the endzone in the redzone more often than they do.

I do understand what you are saying though. I like what I been seeing from the defense these past 2 games.
Defense is better than the stats show, offense is still finding it's way, but both are improving each week, in spite of the lack of scoring. [less the Denver game]

I agree with this. Some of the problems on the O are still the same; penalties. RZ scoring is better though and we are third in Sc% at 38.6.

 

[Tabascocat]

Take away the Denver game and the defense looks pretty good. But, our offense won't look as good either. In the same sense, take away the six turnovers from the Giants game and the defense is on pace with last years takeaways, give or take.

Disclaimer: I do notice the defense hustling and trying to force TO's, much better than last season.

I tried to make that point weeks ago but was shot down....points are still points and TO's are still TO's I guess.

The D has played well the last two weeks but one game was against RG3 who is not his normal self and the other game was against two horrible QB's. They did shut down McCoy and DJax and I hope this continues. These next few weeks will tell me a lot on future performances. We need to win two of the next three, hopefully Minn is almost a guaranteed win.

 

[Hoov]

I agree with this. Some of the problems on the O are still the same; penalties. RZ scoring is better though and we are third in Sc% at 38.6.

Yes. Red zone scoring is good this year. More touchdowns per attempts.

Do u remember the discussions at the end of last year about passing efficiency and defensive passing efficiency. Adam had a formula for that. I wrote it down but will have to look for it. I wonder how we rank offensively and defensively using that formula.

 

[AdamJT13]

In the same sense, take away the six turnovers from the Giants game and the defense is on pace with last years takeaways, give or take.

Even if you take away the Giants game, we're still forcing 50 percent more turnovers than last season --- 1.5 per game, compared with 1.0 per game.

 

[Future]

The defense plays good against bad offenses, and gets exposed by good QB plays and offenses. Regardless of what the numbers actually say, this is an average defense. 17th seems about right to be honest.

 

[JBS]

Go Red Birds!

 

[Tabascocat]

Even if you take away the Giants game, we're still forcing 50 percent more turnovers than last season --- 1.5 per game, compared with 1.0 per game.

Yes, but when I tried to make my point after week 4, we were right there

It is now obvious to me this defense works on creating turnovers and I thought week 1 was an anomaly.

 

[jobberone]

Go Red Birds!

LOL. U guys suck! Man what a closer!

 

[JD_KaPow]

Even if you take away the Giants game, we're still forcing 50 percent more turnovers than last season --- 1.5 per game, compared with 1.0 per game.

And here's the trend in the last six games: 0, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3. Continue this trend and we'll be forcing 7 per game by the end of the season...

 

[percyhoward]

To follow up on the "there's reason for hope" post from a couple of weeks ago:

(Points Per Drive)

Giants vs. Dallas: 2.21
Giants vs. NFL: 1.24

Chiefs vs. Dallas: 1.55
Chiefs vs. NFL: 1.48

Rams vs. Dallas: 0.58
Rams vs. NFL: 1.77

Chargers vs. Dallas: 2.73
Chargers vs. NFL: 2.26

Broncos vs. Dallas: 4.64
Broncos vs. NFL: 2.89

Commanders vs. Dallas: 1.33
Commanders vs. NFL: 1.80

Eagles vs. Dallas: 0.21
Eagles vs. NFL: 2.17

AVG vs. Dallas: 1.85 (19th)
AVG vs. NFL: 1.94

Next 3 Opponents vs. NFL
Det 2.19 (11th)
Min 1.56 (22nd)
NO 2.40 (2nd)

All of Remaining Schedule
AVG vs. NFL: 1.91

 

[big dog cowboy]

We're giving up 17 ppg in the other six games. That's two games around 30, one 3, one 7, and two around 17 ppg. I'm sure I'll get the 'but you can't do that' but there is some statistical validity for throwing out the high and low score. Throw out both and we're at the target of 17 or less a game.

That looks like some of that crazy math my son is trying to learn in school.

 

[OhSnap]

I'll go 22 on the thread. This defense is having allot more good moments than bad.This is the "Turkey Bacon Defense" It's thin and not really what you want but still good.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Take away the Denver game and the defense looks pretty good. But, our offense won't look as good either. In the same sense, take away the six turnovers from the Giants game and the defense is on pace with last years takeaways, give or take.

Disclaimer: I do notice the defense hustling and trying to force TO's, much better than last season.

I tried to make that point weeks ago but was shot down....points are still points and TO's are still TO's I guess.

The D has played well the last two weeks but one game was against RG3 who is not his normal self and the other game was against two horrible QB's. They did shut down McCoy and DJax and I hope this continues. These next few weeks will tell me a lot on future performances. We need to win two of the next three, hopefully Minn is almost a guaranteed win.

How do we really know that this isn't the real RG3 and that last year as an aberration. I tend to think that we are seeing more and more of the real RG3 and it's just mediocre

 

[Galian Beast]

Was trying to do something comprehensive but forgot about the World Series so here's a tease.

We are 17th defensively overall. I've heard about the poor pass defense and some overall criticism of the D so I thought I'd bring this up. We've given up 155 pts but 51 came in one game. Now I realize those ARE points given up no matter how you slice it. But if you consider that game a bit of an aberration we are bunched with several clubs around the 7 to 12 area.

We're giving up 17 ppg in the other six games. That's two games around 30, one 3, one 7, and two around 17 ppg. I'm sure I'll get the 'but you can't do that' but there is some statistical validity for throwing out the high and low score. Throw out both and we're at the target of 17 or less a game.

I wouldn't use that to make any predictions with our injury problems and depth issues but I get a little warm and fuzzy feeling from it despite the juggling.

We're a top 5 defense outside of the Denver game. You can't take out the Denver game, but I do think you should look at their overall body of work and suggest that one bad outing shouldn't define this team, even as bad as that game was.

 

[Tabascocat]

How do we really know that this isn't the real RG3 and that last year as an aberration. I tend to think that we are seeing more and more of the real RG3 and it's just mediocre

We don't, last year he had his legs. Take away those and we see the real product. He is as overrated as they come IMO. Youth and speed only last for so long and the pocket passer will need to come forward. I am not sure he has that trait.

RGIII - a knee = Josh Freeman