Broncos mentality vs. Cowboys mentality

[rcaldw]

This thread is not so much about whether or not the Broncos were wrong, as it is just a marveling at the difference between the two philosophies.

Jerry chooses continuity with a coach who has never won a playoff game.

Jerry chooses this continuity despite 2 colossal losses to finish the season, the last one the most embarrassing loss in Cowboys history.

Jerry chooses this continuity despite a divided locker room and clear chemistry problems on his team.

Denver chooses change despite having a coach with a career coaching record of 146-98 (598 winning pct), an 8-5 playoff record, and 2 Super Bowl victories.

Denver makes this choice despite the fact that Denver had to use like 7 different running backs during the season due to injury.

An amazing contrast.

 

[The Panch]

It wasnt just the running game. Their defense has been garbage the past few years, they've won one playoff game in a decade, and they've had horrible draft after horrible draft.

 

[unionjack8]

and shanahan has been in charge there for 13 years mate. so in the last 9 he's done squat(since elay had his sb appearances)

 

[rcaldw]

It wasnt just the running game. Their defense has been garbage the past few years, they've won one playoff game in a decade, and they've had horrible draft after horrible draft.

One more playoff win than we have had

 

[The Panch]

One more playoff win than we have had

Why must you remind me?

 

[Pick6TerenceNewman]

Shanahan just got canned! LOL!

 

[jday]

Ideal result: Good-bye Stewart. Demote Wade to coordinator. Hire Shanahan as coach, who places all of his focus on fixing the offense, while Wade completely takes care of the defense. That could be a crazy potent combination!

 

[JBS]

who would have guessed? two organizations in two COMPLETELY different situations, decide to go in two DIFFERENT directions. An Amazing contrast - LOL.

 

[Shinywalrus]

This thread is not so much about whether or not the Broncos were wrong, as it is just a marveling at the difference between the two philosophies.

Jerry chooses continuity with a coach who has never won a playoff game.

Jerry chooses this continuity despite 2 colossal losses to finish the season, the last one the most embarrassing loss in Cowboys history.

Jerry chooses this continuity despite a divided locker room and clear chemistry problems on his team.

Denver chooses change despite having a coach with a career coaching record of 146-98 (598 winning pct), an 8-5 playoff record, and 2 Super Bowl victories.

Denver makes this choice despite the fact that Denver had to use like 7 different running backs during the season due to injury.

An amazing contrast.

Why should it be surprising that a team that has several <25 year old offensive weapons in place to ensure potential competitiveness for the next 10 years is willing to sidetrack near-term development in favor of long term changes, while a team with a somewhat shorter optimal time frame (at least on the offensive side of the ball) is more concerned with not producing inordinate disruption on the merits of a single season disaster?

 

[Juke99]

Same with the Jets....I can hear what Jones would be saying...he'd cite that their record for the past three years is a winning record...that they improved dramatically from the prior season...he'd cite how difficult it is to incorporate a new QB into an existing system...and he'd do it all with that scrunched up looking fake sincere face.

 

[Shinywalrus]

Same with the Jets....I can hear what Jones would be saying...he'd cite that their record for the past three years is a winning record...that they improved dramatically from the prior season...he'd cite how difficult it is to incorporate a new QB into an existing system...and he'd do it all with that scrunched up looking fake sincere face.

And he'd also be right.

By your argument, you would have made fun of Jerry for firing the following coaches. Congratulations:

- Don Shula, for missing the playoffs and having (relatively) disastrous seasons in 75-77.

- Bill Parcells after his first season with the Giants, disastrously trying to win with Simms on the bench.

- Tom Landry at some point over his SIX straight years at the outset of the franchise when he couldn't post a single above .500 season.

- George Halas, over the period between 1935-1939, trying to sqeak something, anything out of Bernie Masterson instead of going elsewhere.

- Vince Lombardi, after he couldn't turn an immensely talented Packers squad into NFL champs in 1959 and 1960.

Obviously, Wade Phillips doesn't belong in the same sentence as any of these guys, so don't ignore the real argument: saying that it always makes sense to fire someone because of a disastrous year is beyond absurd. If you want to argue that someone deserves to be fired, make the argument, but simply blinding asserting that any coach with a bad three year record would just get defended by Jerry Jones, meant as a shot at Jones for his behavior with Phillips, doesn't make any sense at all.

 

[Beast_from_East]

And he'd also be right.

By your argument, you would have made fun of Jerry for firing the following coaches. Congratulations:

- Don Shula, for missing the playoffs and having (relatively) disastrous seasons in 75-77.

- Bill Parcells after his first season with the Giants, disastrously trying to win with Simms on the bench.

- Tom Landry at some point over his SIX straight years at the outset of the franchise when he couldn't post a single above .500 season.

- George Halas, over the period between 1935-1939, trying to sqeak something, anything out of Bernie Masterson instead of going elsewhere.

- Vince Lombardi, after he couldn't turn an immensely talented Packers squad into NFL champs in 1959 and 1960.

Obviously, Wade Phillips doesn't belong in the same sentence as any of these guys, so don't ignore the real argument: saying that it always makes sense to fire someone because of a disastrous year is beyond absurd. If you want to argue that someone deserves to be fired, make the argument, but simply blinding asserting that any coach with a bad three year record would just get defended by Jerry Jones, meant as a shot at Jones for his behavior with Phillips, doesn't make any sense at all.

It is not that the team lost.........it is HOW the team lost.

The team was unprepared to play, WRs running wrong routes, linebackers not knowing who to cover, poor tacklling, no adjustments in protection scheme, false starts, offsides, personal fouls, ect....

THIS IS POOR COACHING, NOT THAT THE OTHER TEAM WAS BETTER!!!

That is why Wade should be fired, not becasue of the win/loss record but for how the team played.........they looked like they just wanted to go home, seriously.

That is why Wade or any other coach in this situation should be fired!!!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Same with the Jets....I can hear what Jones would be saying...he'd cite that their record for the past three years is a winning record...that they improved dramatically from the prior season...he'd cite how difficult it is to incorporate a new QB into an existing system...and he'd do it all with that scrunched up looking fake sincere face.

Since you, Sarge and Winicki live in New York, and I imagine esp Winicki since he lives around the buffalo area, did you guys not bristle some when you heard the Buffalo owner or GM saying they were keeping dick jauron using the continuity line in order to justify keeping him?

 

[Beast_from_East]

Since you live in New York, and I imagine Winicki since he lives around the buffalo area, did you guys not bristle some when you heard the Buffalo owner or GM saying they were keeping dick jauron using the continuity line in order to justify keeping him?

Jerry is a trend setter!!!

The Continuity Doctrine!!!!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, I for one think keeping Jauron was smart. He's a pretty good coach.

And I also think firing Mangini was dumb. Just a couple of years ago, he was a boy wonder.

Making knee jerk reactions based on fan anger is no way to run a business.