Bruce Campbell in the 2nd round?

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Say if we don't get a Olineman in the 1st and Campbell is there in the 2nd and Dallas takes him...

Would you be ok with that or upset at the pick?







For me i'd be ok with it because of the faith I have in our coaching staff when it comes to developing talented players.'

I think there are some teams that could get the most out of him and we are one of those teams.

I'd still rather give up a 2nd for Jared Gaither but if money is that much of an issue than why not try and develop this guy?
 
It just depends on who else is there. If Nate Allen falls and it comes downt to Allen or Campbell I'll take Allen as I think that Campbell is a project player and Allen could be play right now.
 
As long as you have another contingency plan in place in case someone needs to fill in at LT next year, because Campbell should never, ever, ever, ever, ever see the field within his first two years. Unless you're just dying to lose Romo for the season.

I should re-post the article where the scouts and personnel people talk about how frighteningly slow he is mentally.
 
Goose has Campbell ranked 60... about the right value for late round 2 depending on who else slides.
 
yentl911;3360205 said:
He's going to be long gone by then...

Goose has him @ 60 on his top 100.

You're probably right but its a possibility I think.
 
Campbell in the late 2nd round would by then be good value...imo.

I'm still not sure I'd want him b/c of the other possible players that could be had there.
 
CATCH17;3360195 said:
Say if we don't get a Olineman in the 1st and Campbell is there in the 2nd and Dallas takes him...

Would you be ok with that or upset at the pick?







For me i'd be ok with it because of the faith I have in our coaching staff when it comes to developing talented players.'

I think there are some teams that could get the most out of him and we are one of those teams.

I'd still rather give up a 2nd for Jared Gaither but if money is that much of an issue than why not try and develop this guy?

I am never comfortable with a guy who hasn't produced in college. if he is 1st or 2nd rounder he has to be fairly good and at times dominant in college and you can't say that about campbell
 
I'd much rather figure out a way to get Sean Lee in 2.
 
2nd is too high for him. There are still too many great players on the board. 3rd probably too. I might be interested in the 4th, where long term, low probability projects are more palatable.


Green Bay — Maryland tackle Bruce Campbell, Idaho guard Mike Iupati and Florida center Maurkice Pouncey all posted low scores for offensive linemen on the Wonderlic Personnel Test, sending National Football League teams digging for clarity one week before the draft.

Surprisingly enough, a cross section of executives in personnel for NFL teams forecast greater learning problems ahead for Campbell even though his score was the highest of the three.

Tackle, especially players capable of playing the left side, is a loaded position this year, with four apparently headed for the top 20 and a few others having the opportunity to slip into the first round. Guard and center are weak, with frontrunners Iupati and Pouncey also in line for first-round calls.

As teams adjust draft boards one last time, general manager Thomas Dimitroff of the Atlanta Falcons said reliability was a common theme throughout the league.

"Ultimately in the first round, a lot of teams want to make sure, more than anything, that they have a sure pick, a guy they can count on," said Dimitroff. "That pick doesn't necessarily need to be a perennial Pro Bowler, but they need a guy that will be counted on year in and year out."

The top five tackles scored between 20 and 29 on the Wonderlic, a 12-minute, 50-question general intelligence exam that Cincinnati Bengals owner Paul Brown introduced to the NFL in the late 1960s. Each of them has varying degrees of physical skill, but their ability to comprehend the NFL game isn't an issue.

That certainly isn't the case for Campbell, who scored 18 (one fewer than the NFL average) at the combine in February, or Iupati, who scored 13 on campus a year ago.

However, after having interviewed Pouncey and conducting other background checks, personnel men for six teams all said Pouncey's score of 14 wasn't a concern.

"He's a real smart guy," said Eric DeCosta, the Baltimore Ravens' director of player personnel. "He's very smart football-wise."

In most offenses it is the job of the center to call out the defensive front, identify pass rushers and adjust the protection or run-blocking scheme at the line. Intelligence is valued highly at all five offensive line positions but none more so than center.

Green Bay center Scott Wells scored 30 on the Wonderlic, and his predecessor, Mike Flanagan, had 35. The six centers drafted in the first round since 1994 averaged 24.7.

"I'd be worried if I hadn't talked to Pouncey," an NFC personnel director said. "The history of centers that low is not good."

Other than quarterback, the link between the Wonderlic and successful performance might be stronger in the offensive line than at any other position.

Last year, eight men accounted for all but 34 snaps on the Packers' offensive line, and seven of those eight had test scores ranging between 21 and 30. It's not a coincidence that tackle Allen Barbre, the odd man out with a Wonderlic of 11, had played himself out of the lineup by midseason.

Over the last few weeks, the Journal Sentinel polled 21 personnel people, asking them who among the top offensive linemen had the best chance to bust. The fact that Campbell led with 12 votes (Anthony Davis had four votes and five others, including Iupati, each had one) can be attributed to a variety of reasons, but mental acuity was cited by four scouts

"It's the mental that will get him," said one personnel director who has been in interviews with Campbell. "When he's talking he's not a quick thinker. He's a slow process, a very slow process guy. Somebody will have to tell him what to do all the time."

Another evaluator said Campbell had a "neurological slowness that's extremely scary.".


At the combine, Campbell said he grew up in the "ghettos" of New Haven, Conn. After spending 2006 at Hargrave (Va.) Military Academy, he was able to enroll at Maryland.

The Terps' coaching staff took its time with Campbell, playing him in just five games in 2007 and starting him only after another player was injured in mid-2008.

Campbell's incredible workout was the talk of the combine. One scout, however, labeled that as "inconsequential" when compared to what he described as Campbell's "awful" play on tape and the 15-minute interviews he did with team after team in Indianapolis.

"He might be the most phenomenal physical specimen I've ever seen," one longtime scout said. "But he can't conceptualize."


At 14, Iupati moved from American Samoa to Anaheim, Calif., telling teams that he had to deal with the language barrier until his first year of college.

"As an interior player you want to see a guy that's pretty bright," one personnel executive said. "I just don't know if he fits that bill. Sometimes it takes those kind of guys two or three years. If you take a guy in the first round that takes two or three years, to me that's a bust."

Added another scout: "He's my favorite lineman in the draft. He can fit whatever you want to do inside. The whole question with him is just going to be how fast he learns and retains."

Aptitude probably is one reason why all of Iupati's 33 starts came at left guard and perhaps why he struggled at the Senior Bowl when tried at right guard and right tackle.

"He's got to really work at it in school," said one scout. "The opinion is he's better off just being left at one position."

A total of 19 national-based personnel men were asked to rank their favorite linemen on a 1-to-6 basis. Russell Okung led the way with 100 points (11 firsts), followed by Trent Williams (94, five), Bryan Bulaga (56), Iupati (44, one first), Davis (40) and Pouncey (37, one).

Rounding out the votes were Charles Brown (13, one), Vladimir Ducasse (seven), Rodger Saffold (four), Jon Asamoah (two) and Campbell (two).

"There's a large group of tackles," San Diego general manager A.J. Smith said. "Then there's a dropoff at guard and center."
 
InmanRoshi;3360265 said:
2nd is too high for him. There are still too many great players on the board. 3rd probably too. I might be interested in the 4th, where long term, low probability projects are more palatable.

Conceptualize, lol.

It is football not launching an orbiter. You don't have to be a Norman Einstein to have a successful career playing football. For every cerebral hall of fame player there is an equal dumb player. I would question his performance however if the rest of the oline and offense was garbage chances are he would look pretty bad too, see Big in Arizona.

I am not for taking him no later then the 3rd but some of the criticisms are borderline ridiculous.
 
@ 59 i'd be more than OK with a OT with his raw ability. He might take 2-3 years like Free but he's worth the risk in the late 2nd.
 
adbutcher;3360321 said:
Conceptualize, lol.

It is football not launching an orbiter. You don't have to be a Norman Einstein to have a successful career playing football. For every cerebral hall of fame player there is an equal dumb player. I would question his performance however if the rest of the oline and offense was garbage chances are he would look pretty bad too, see Big in Arizona.

I am not for taking him no later then the 3rd but some of the criticisms are borderline ridiculous.

Well, he has Top 3 pick talent, but was a mediocre at best college player.

If you don't want to attribute that to stupidity, you got to attribute it to something.
 
InmanRoshi;3360393 said:
Well, he has Top 3 pick talent, but was a mediocre at best college player.

If you don't want to attribute that to stupidity, you got to attribute it to something.

The something could be a putrid offense (too much spread), terrible running game, terrible coaching, laziness, stupidity, etc. When Leonard was in Arizona, many thought he was a bust but truth be told the organization was dysfunctional and the play of the Oline and the rest of the team was a reflection of that. I can even recall some calling the Bigg pickup terrible because he was considered lazy and a bust.

I am not dissing you, I am just laughing at the scouts critiquing players like they are reviewing and entrance essay at MIT.

There have been countless great NFL players that were flat out stupid even those who could not even read.
 
InmanRoshi;3360393 said:
Well, he has Top 3 pick talent, but was a mediocre at best college player.

If you don't want to attribute that to stupidity, you got to attribute it to something.
and Marty B has perrenial all-pro talent.


Campbell is not a player. Period.
 
I wouldn't touch Campbell before the 3rd... his performance actually playing football doesn't warrant it.
 
I'd be upset. Drafting a highly questionable player like Campbell isn't a good idea.
 

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