BTB:Cowboys Mock Draft Roundup: All Aboard The Tyron Smith Bandwagon

nyc;3886739 said:
The fact that Carimi will only be a RT drops his status as the best tackle in the draft. Your best tackle is always your LT.

Besides there is a difference between bring the most NFL ready, and actually being the best prospect. Smith is far and away a better prospect than Carimi without even considering the fact that Smith is without a doubt considered a LT in the NFL and Carimi isn't.

If your best tackle is always your LT then why was SMith only a RT at USC.

Smith is not considered a LT by any one in the NFL right now. Every one says he has the potential to be a LT one day but not now.
 
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Though some great 3-4 DE's are available, it's probably true that you could pick one up later that would be servicable.

Smith has a lot of tread left on those tires; he'd be a solid pick and would address a need.
 
Avery;3886813 said:
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Though some great 3-4 DE's are available, it's probably true that you could pick one up later that would be servicable.

Smith has a lot of tread left on those tires; he'd be a solid pick and would address a need.

Sherrod, Carim, and Csatanzo will all also be solid picks later in the 1st and would also address a need.
 
supercowboy8;3886754 said:
If your best tackle is always your LT then why was SMith only a RT at USC.

Smith is not considered a LT by any one in the NFL right now. Every one says he has the potential to be a LT one day but not now.

Is that a way to say "yes and no" at the same time? Tell me, does Carimi have a chance to play LT? I think not. They are *projecting* Smith at LT. Nobody that thinking of drafting him is thinking, this will be my starting RT for his entire career.

You are attempting to muddy the water with that statement.
 
nyc;3886739 said:
The fact that Carimi will only be a RT drops his status as the best tackle in the draft. Your best tackle is always your LT.

Besides there is a difference between bring the most NFL ready, and actually being the best prospect. Smith is far and away a better prospect than Carimi without even considering the fact that Smith is without a doubt considered a LT in the NFL and Carimi isn't.

You're concerned about getting an OT with the first pick because we need 1 to play now rather than Columbo right?

OK

We have Doug Free at LT and he's our best tackle right?

OK

So we have a LT in Free. He's gonna stay there and rightfully so because he's a darn good LT.

OK

So than we need a RT from this draft to start and replace Columbo and his almost $3 million bonus because we already have the LT.

OK

So I'm talking Carimi or Sherrod who are projected as RT and can start at RT right away.

OK

You're talking about using the 9th overall pick on a projected LT who currently has played mediocre at RT for 2 years in college because why?


Oh, and Smith is so much better as a prospect than Carimi because why? So called potential? The guy is medicore at best right now. Heck, he needs to prove he can even carry 300 lbs consistently.

And believe me. I know LT's are more sought after than RT's, I say it here every day.

The fact of the matter it, there is no tackle worth a top 10 pick in this draft.

Probably not even top 15.

So take the early 2nd and maybe move it up a bit if you have to and grab either Carimi or Sherrod. The 2 RT's that you need to start this season anyways. the guys who will fall to the bottom of the 1st early 2nd because they are projected RT's.

Nevermind if Smith can become a LT. Free is already there.
 
nyc;3886900 said:
Is that a way to say "yes and no" at the same time? Tell me, does Carimi have a chance to play LT? I think not. They are *projecting* Smith at LT. Nobody that thinking of drafting him is thinking, this will be my starting RT for his entire career.

You are attempting to muddy the water with that statement.

I don't care Carimi, Sherrod, Castanzo, or Smith is projected as a LT one day. I have a LT I need a RT right now. I don't need a LT. Just because Smith is projected off of potential and no skill set as a LT one day does not warrent a top 10 pick.

Thats all I'm saying. SMith is not worth a top 10 pick only because maybe some day, once ablue moon happens Smith can play LT. If I'm draft a OT top 10 then I want him to be a LT now not in 3-5 years.
 
supercowboy8;3886910 said:
I don't care Carimi, Sherrod, Castanzo, or Smith is projected as a LT one day. I have a LT I need a RT right now. I don't need a LT. Just because Smith is projected off of potential and no skill set as a LT one day does not warrent a top 10 pick.

Thats all I'm saying. SMith is not worth a top 10 pick only because maybe some day, once ablue moon happens Smith can play LT. If I'm draft a OT top 10 then I want him to be a LT now not in 3-5 years.

Got my vote brotha!
 
supercowboy8;3886910 said:
I don't care Carimi, Sherrod, Castanzo, or Smith is projected as a LT one day. I have a LT I need a RT right now. I don't need a LT. Just because Smith is projected off of potential and no skill set as a LT one day does not warrent a top 10 pick.

Thats all I'm saying. SMith is not worth a top 10 pick only because maybe some day, once ablue moon happens Smith can play LT. If I'm draft a OT top 10 then I want him to be a LT now not in 3-5 years.

Maybe the Cowboys have done a more thorough evaluation of T Smith's ability than you and think he can play RT from Day 1 and LT in Year 2 (if they want him there)? And maybe given Smith's incredible upside (in their opinion) he worth a top 10 pick and that versatility is worth developing?

Or, maybe in today's NFL the line is increasingly blurred between "RT" and "LT" given the increased use of the 34 defense, etc.?

I'm just throwing ideas out there that may make sense to the Cowboys even though you may not agree.
 
supercowboy8;3886910 said:
I don't care Carimi, Sherrod, Castanzo, or Smith is projected as a LT one day. I have a LT I need a RT right now. I don't need a LT. Just because Smith is projected off of potential and no skill set as a LT one day does not warrent a top 10 pick.

Thats all I'm saying. SMith is not worth a top 10 pick only because maybe some day, once ablue moon happens Smith can play LT. If I'm draft a OT top 10 then I want him to be a LT now not in 3-5 years.

You may want to consider the following. The 'swing' tackle this year was Barron. No one thinks he's coming back. So who is your 'swing' tackle this year. The benefit of Smith is, while starting at RT he could serve as your 'swing' also. This will allow the Boys more flexibility on game day as your backup LT is already on the field and into the flow of the game.

Smith, if he is the pick, addresses two needs. A starting RT and back up LT in case Free goes down. As of today, we do not have a backup LT which is one of the most important positions on the field.

Given Smiths age, he could project to be the long term replacement to Free. I like Free at LT. If and I say if, Smith can handle speed rushers 1 on 1 and Free can handle his man 1 on 1, the passing game will explode.

For sure the OL and DB have to be addressed. I do think Smith is the consensus top pick at OL. I think Peterson is the top CB and I'm not a fan of Prince (I can't get that Blackmon abusing out of my head) and no FS is worthy of a 1st round pick. Of the areas of need and going with the BPA, Smith would seem to marry need to talent.

Last item, the entire draft is about projections. D. Ware never played OLB prior to Dallas drafting him. Ratliff never played NT prior to being drafted. The list goes on and on, but the draft is about projecting. There are no sure things in the draft but if you can lean on talent and work ethic, I think you will be right more than wrong. By all accounts, Smith is a very good run blocker and has excellent feet (LT worthy) and very long arms. Clearly he is dedicated, he benched 29 reps with 36 inch arms - no small task. So he has talent and work ethic, so in my book he is at least worthy of all the consideration he is getting.

JMHO
 
I've watched smith and never been impressed. He even looks bad in his own highlight videos. Scouts rave about Solder's potential too and every time I've seen him he looks like garbage. If we take smith at 9 and plug him at RT and the skins take Quinn at 10 he'll eat smith alive 2 times a year.
 
Dough Boy;3887088 said:
You may want to consider the following. The 'swing' tackle this year was Barron. No one thinks he's coming back. So who is your 'swing' tackle this year. The benefit of Smith is, while starting at RT he could serve as your 'swing' also. This will allow the Boys more flexibility on game day as your backup LT is already on the field and into the flow of the game.

Smith, if he is the pick, addresses two needs. A starting RT and back up LT in case Free goes down. As of today, we do not have a backup LT which is one of the most important positions on the field.

Given Smiths age, he could project to be the long term replacement to Free. I like Free at LT. If and I say if, Smith can handle speed rushers 1 on 1 and Free can handle his man 1 on 1, the passing game will explode.

For sure the OL and DB have to be addressed. I do think Smith is the consensus top pick at OL. I think Peterson is the top CB and I'm not a fan of Prince (I can't get that Blackmon abusing out of my head) and no FS is worthy of a 1st round pick. Of the areas of need and going with the BPA, Smith would seem to marry need to talent.

Last item, the entire draft is about projections. D. Ware never played OLB prior to Dallas drafting him. Ratliff never played NT prior to being drafted. The list goes on and on, but the draft is about projecting. There are no sure things in the draft but if you can lean on talent and work ethic, I think you will be right more than wrong. By all accounts, Smith is a very good run blocker and has excellent feet (LT worthy) and very long arms. Clearly he is dedicated, he benched 29 reps with 36 inch arms - no small task. So he has talent and work ethic, so in my book he is at least worthy of all the consideration he is getting.

JMHO

It doesn't matter who the back up LT is. If Free gets hurt and Smith is our backup LT then we are for sure ****ed. Come on the guy has never played LT in his life. You, me, and everyone else one this forum has just as much experience as Smith does at LT if not more. I would rather have astanzo or Sherrod if I needed a LT right now or as a back up. They both have a ton more experience at LT and more knowledge.
 
Woods;3887048 said:
Maybe the Cowboys have done a more thorough evaluation of T Smith's ability than you and think he can play RT from Day 1 and LT in Year 2 (if they want him there)? And maybe given Smith's incredible upside (in their opinion) he worth a top 10 pick and that versatility is worth developing?

Or, maybe in today's NFL the line is increasingly blurred between "RT" and "LT" given the increased use of the 34 defense, etc.?

I'm just throwing ideas out there that may make sense to the Cowboys even though you may not agree.

Or they may not even pick him at 9. Your acting like Dallas has already picked Smith. You have no clue what they are going to do. They may feel the same way I do about him.

Maybe its all a smoke screen to get more trade bait for there spot.

Maybe they have no intention to draft Smith.

Maybe maybe maybe, any one can throw out maybe's.
 
I am going to go out on a limb and say Smith will be one of those "surprise" sliders come draft day. I would not be surprised at all to see him slip into the 2nd round.
 
TheCount;3887451 said:
I am going to go out on a limb and say Smith will be one of those "surprise" sliders come draft day. I would not be surprised at all to see him slip into the 2nd round.
Don't see that happening. He will go in the 9-20 range imo.
 
Dash28;3887472 said:
Don't see that happening. He will go in the 9-20 range imo.

Well it wouldn't be going out on a limb if it were an obvious call, would it? :D
 
TheCount;3887492 said:
Well it wouldn't be going out on a limb if it were an obvious call, would it? :D

You just didn't go very far out on that limb.

Maybe a step or two.
 
supercowboy8;3887375 said:
Or they may not even pick him at 9. Your acting like Dallas has already picked Smith. You have no clue what they are going to do. They may feel the same way I do about him.

Maybe its all a smoke screen to get more trade bait for there spot.

Maybe they have no intention to draft Smith.

Maybe maybe maybe, any one can throw out maybe's.

No, I'm not saying that the Cowboys will pick Smith at all.

It's just that you're extremely rigid in your thinking of that player, imo.
 
Potential this....upside that......chiseled body this.......Tony Mandarich that......woops, did I say that?
 
Sarge;3887540 said:
Potential this....upside that......chisled body this.......Tony Mandarich that......woops, did I say that?

........Mandarich? yikes:bang2:
 

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