News: BTB: ESPN: Could There Be A Cowboys-DeMarco Murray Reunion In 2016?

AbeBeta

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yea, it really is. his 2016 salary is guaranteed, the Eagles would be better served keeping him and not playing him all season as opposed to paying him $7 million to help us or any other team beat the Eagles.

If he cleared waivers and signed with another club for say 4 mill a year, the Eagles would be paying him 3 million to help another club. If that team kept him in 2017, the Eagles would be off the hook for a 2 mill guarantee. Under that scenario, the Eagles would be looking at 10 mill in dead money that they could spread over two years. That's really not a killer.

Me, I think we'd snap him up at 4-5 mill a year with maybe about 8 mill in guarantees.
 

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Sorry. No returns..

I advocated for DeMarco's return more than most but decisions were made on both ends and it's time to move on. You live by the sword. You die by the sword. Choices were made and it's rarely smart to revisit something your gut has already told you not to do. Regardless if the money is more team friendly now, IMO, we need to draft our RB of the future, and let bygones be bygones.
 

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There were people here before we lost Murray claiming we had to keep him because he'd be better than Peterson who "hadn't done anything since 2012."

It was a different time.

Running backs after 30 are horrible and AP isnt the exception. I remember those people too. They have been rather quiet
 

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Sorry. No returns..

I advocated for DeMarco's return more than most but decisions were made on both ends and it's time to move on. You live by the sword. You die by the sword. Choices were made and it's rarely smart to revisit something your gut has already told you not to do. Regardless if the money is more team friendly now, IMO, we need to draft our RB of the future, and let bygones be bygones.

HE made his bed, now he can go lie in it. In Philly, where is going to win the Superbowl.....
 

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c'mon, anyone can run behind this line, right?

in reality this ONE can run behind it...I would have my arms opened wide to welcome him back...that being said, philly CAN'T be that stupid, right?
 

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Trading him for anything, to a team u choose is better (from eagles standpoint) than releasing and potentially paying him to play for a rival

No one is going to trade for him with his current contract. Period. A team is going to give up a pick or play for him PLUS pay him all the cash he's still owed. Plus, why would the Bills or Raiders do that? They already having RBs, both currently better than DeMarco.
 

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If he cleared waivers and signed with another club for say 4 mill a year, the Eagles would be paying him 3 million to help another club. If that team kept him in 2017, the Eagles would be off the hook for a 2 mill guarantee. Under that scenario, the Eagles would be looking at 10 mill in dead money that they could spread over two years. That's really not a killer.

Me, I think we'd snap him up at 4-5 mill a year with maybe about 8 mill in guarantees.

Depends on the offset language, Philly may be on the hook for $7 million no matter what
 

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Murray rubbed me the wrong way telling us it was his chance to win the super bowl. Maybe he didn't like that we ran Callahan off? I still deserve an apology along with every other fan before we take him back. But at the same time he was good to us when he was with us. Even when the line wasn't good he was above average, I'd take him over what we have now
 

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You simply cannot use Murray's output in Philadelphia as any basis to measure his value.

Different team, different O-line, different coaches, different system, different role, far too many changes for him to have had a chance to be anything like he was in 2014.

Those guys up front in 2014 were his dogs. Heck, he practically helped raise them. More than any other player besides Romo, Murray had to endure this squad's development, remember, in 2012 they started an offensive line of 5 guys that never played their position as a Cowboy before.

He ran for over 700 yards in his first 7 games as a rookie. A fellow rookie, Tyron Smith, was the starting right tackle at the age of 20. Murray was a thousand yard rusher in 2013, Frederick's rookie year.

He was familiar with them and they with him. They operated like a machine. After each player, other than Martin, played two to four seasons together with him, they knew his tendencies, where and when he would hit the line, what direction he favored. They could anticipate his path and be more efficient blockers. Murray was familiar with his line's physical presence, that is, he knew how much space he needed to get around or through them without collision or time consuming navigation at the line of scrimmage.

That's what it's all about. That's what so many fans just don't seem to understand. These guys are not "Plug and Play", "One Size Fits All".....Familiarity provides cohesion, cohesion results in efficiency which then produces success for all the elements involved, the runner, the blockers, even the defense has a direct benefit because of the sustained offensive drives.

I guarantee that when you look at the successful teams in the league they have something in common, they all have a group of 3-4 offensive linemen that have played together for several years along with a RB that can jell and produce a running game at a time in games when it's needed the most.


It is absolutely a team sport and when you have finally built a successful team, why in the ("Extreme Profanity") would you then rip it apart and even have the ridiculous perception that only one element of the team was truly responsible...like only one organ is truly responsible for sustaining life.

It was a salary issue? Not if you understand which elements of the team simply cannot be considered less than elite much less easily replicable.

That' why we talk about salary cap management. The whole reason you try to make responsible cap decisions is so you can then use that money to pay for the guys who are performing at a superior level. He was the top rusher in the NFL for crying out loud. This was the first time in history the leading rusher switched teams the following season. Now, there's a clue!

Responsible cap management is desirable precisely so the Bryants and Murrays can be kept and paid. If you want to save cap space, cut the guys that isn't doing anything for the team, there are some of those, Brandon Carr comes immediately to mind.

By the way, did I mention that Murray was also the team's 3rd leading receiver over the combined previous four seasons. Then Dez goes down and Romo is now without two of his top three receivers. You don't think that didn't keep him in the pocket s little longer?....just long enough to break his clavicle a couple of times?

With that said, Murray is staying in Philadelphia. It would be worth it for the Eagles if only for the effect of depriving the Cowboys of his services, addition by subtraction you might say.
 

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If he cleared waivers and signed with another club for say 4 mill a year, the Eagles would be paying him 3 million to help another club. If that team kept him in 2017, the Eagles would be off the hook for a 2 mill guarantee. Under that scenario, the Eagles would be looking at 10 mill in dead money that they could spread over two years. That's really not a killer.

Me, I think we'd snap him up at 4-5 mill a year with maybe about 8 mill in guarantees.

Teams wouldn't pay him 4 million if the eagles are going to pay up to 7. He would go wherever he wants to for the league minimum in 2016. If he was released this year, maybe a team could pay a premium on salary for the rest of this season and then the minimum for 2016. Then see where they are at in 2017 with a potential new contract and eagles still potentially paying 2 million in guarantees.
 

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This is looking more and more like a move with the ulterior motive to simply take Murray away from Dallas.

I've always wondered if it wasn't part of the equation for the Eagles. Weaken a division rival...the reigning division champ...that is clearly highly dependent on their run game and what one player brings to it. We did it to the 9ers in 1995.
 

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People get back together with their exes all the time.

If PHI waives him using the June 1st designation they will take 8m and 5m cap hits in 2016 and 2017.

He is owed 4/31m with 9m if he is claimed or traded for......not horrible, but i wouldn't take him under those terms

He would have to either pass thru waivers and let Philly take the hit or he would have to renegotiate.
 

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I think Murray would be a nice fit in Houston, Foster can't make it through a season.
 

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You simply cannot use Murray's output in Philadelphia as any basis to measure his value.

Different team, different O-line, different coaches, different system, different role, far too many changes for him to have had a chance to be anything like he was in 2014.

Those guys up front in 2014 were his dogs. Heck, he practically helped raise them. More than any other player besides Romo, Murray had to endure this squad's development, remember, in 2012 they started an offensive line of 5 guys that never played their position as a Cowboy before.

He ran for over 700 yards in his first 7 games as a rookie. A fellow rookie, Tyron Smith, was the starting right tackle at the age of 20. Murray was a thousand yard rusher in 2013, Frederick's rookie year.

He was familiar with them and they with him. They operated like a machine. After each player, other than Martin, played two to four seasons together with him, they knew his tendencies, where and when he would hit the line, what direction he favored. They could anticipate his path and be more efficient blockers. Murray was familiar with his line's physical presence, that is, he knew how much space he needed to get around or through them without collision or time consuming navigation at the line of scrimmage.

That's what it's all about. That's what so many fans just don't seem to understand. These guys are not "Plug and Play", "One Size Fits All".....Familiarity provides cohesion, cohesion results in efficiency which then produces success for all the elements involved, the runner, the blockers, even the defense has a direct benefit because of the sustained offensive drives.

I guarantee that when you look at the successful teams in the league they have something in common, they all have a group of 3-4 offensive linemen that have played together for several years along with a RB that can jell and produce a running game at a time in games when it's needed the most.


It is absolutely a team sport and when you have finally built a successful team, why in the ("Extreme Profanity") would you then rip it apart and even have the ridiculous perception that only one element of the team was truly responsible...like only one organ is truly responsible for sustaining life.

It was a salary issue? Not if you understand which elements of the team simply cannot be considered less than elite much less easily replicable.

That' why we talk about salary cap management. The whole reason you try to make responsible cap decisions is so you can then use that money to pay for the guys who are performing at a superior level. He was the top rusher in the NFL for crying out loud. This was the first time in history the leading rusher switched teams the following season. Now, there's a clue!

Responsible cap management is desirable precisely so the Bryants and Murrays can be kept and paid. If you want to save cap space, cut the guys that isn't doing anything for the team, there are some of those, Brandon Carr comes immediately to mind.

By the way, did I mention that Murray was also the team's 3rd leading receiver over the combined previous four seasons. Then Dez goes down and Romo is now without two of his top three receivers. You don't think that didn't keep him in the pocket s little longer?....just long enough to break his clavicle a couple of times?

With that said, Murray is staying in Philadelphia. It would be worth it for the Eagles if only for the effect of depriving the Cowboys of his services, addition by subtraction you might say.

Couldn't agree more with this post. Murray was an absolutely core facet of this team and simply not replaceable for the Cowboys. When you finally land on a winning formula you should do everything you can to keep that together.

Murray's importance to the team has been grossly underrated in the end, and I fully believe if he was still here the Cowboys would have pulled out the necessary games to still be comfortably in contention of the NFC East. I highly doubt the Eagles will pay him to play for the Cowboys, but I for one, would welcome him back with open arms.
 

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Murray gets cut if Kelly gets fired and the new regime wants no part of Murray. I know it would be a big cap hit thought. Maybe a June 1 cut?
 

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With that said, Murray is staying in Philadelphia. It would be worth it for the Eagles if only for the effect of depriving the Cowboys of his services, addition by subtraction you might say.

Teams will definitely sign players their rivals want in order to keep them from getting the player, but no team is going to hold on to a player they do not need or feel does not fit their system solely to avoid their rivals signing him if he's released because there's no guarantee he would end up there anyway. Roster spots are too valuable, more so than money. Money itself is nothing to an NFL team. Money is open-ended given the abundance of revenue teams earn every year. The salary cap and roster spots are the priority and the limiting factor.

If the Eagles choose to hold on to Murray it will be because they plan to release or lose other running backs on the team or because they plan coaching changes. Not necessarily Chip Kelly, but they might replace offensive coaches with new coaches they feel would better utilize or benefit Murray's ability.

I liked most of the rest of your post though. :)
 

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Teams wouldn't pay him 4 million if the eagles are going to pay up to 7. He would go wherever he wants to for the league minimum in 2016. If he was released this year, maybe a team could pay a premium on salary for the rest of this season and then the minimum for 2016. Then see where they are at in 2017 with a potential new contract and eagles still potentially paying 2 million in guarantees.

That's certainly true. But investment-wise he's going to need to see the $s guaranteed by the Eagle deal and something beyond.
 
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