BTB: Forget Running; Team Build for Air Attack, Not Running

[Mac_MaloneV1]

The run game of over a hundred yards by the younger Zeke and oline is what I was referring to. There's direct correlation to the 27-1 pass attempts and ground game dominance.
There's not only way to get a lead.
If you've got a good enough back and line, you can get leads by effectively running, TOP and not just passing.
Like I referred to in my earlier post, it was how the Linehan offense functioned.
They got a few leads in 2016.
By running the ball.
They didn't throw that much.

That was my point.
Those are the rush numbers.

Those are not numbers, because those numbers do not exist. Total yards is not a meaningful number. In this context, it is the same metric as attempts, more or less.

The disconnect is this: NFL teams can effectively pass without running. NFL teams cannot effectively run without passing. There is no such thing as a productive run-first offense in the NFL.

The point isn't that they throw a lot, it's that they throw effectively. The Browns game in 2016 is a perfect example. Zeke finished with less than 100 yards, and the Cowboys blew them out because of how well they threw the ball.

 

[75boyz]

Those are not numbers, because those numbers do not exist. Total yards is not a meaningful number. In this context, it is the same metric as attempts, more or less.

The disconnect is this: NFL teams can effectively pass without running. NFL teams cannot effectively run without passing. There is no such thing as a productive run-first offense in the NFL.

The point isn't that they throw a lot, it's that they throw effectively. The Browns game in 2016 is a perfect example. Zeke finished with less than 100 yards, and the Cowboys blew them out because of how well they threw the ball.

Contextually or otherwise,
You first responded to my post as if implying that the only way to achieve leads is by passing.
I simply responded that in Dak's first 3 years or so with that prime Zeke and that prime oline, that the offense achieved both leads and wins "moreso" off its run game effectiveness than its pass game.
If you believe the pass game was the driving force behind those early Dak and Zeke years no problem.
I'll respect your opinion. It's all good. No worries as I'm done here.
Peace be with you

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Contextually or otherwise,
You first responded to my post as if implying that the only way to achieve leads is by passing.
I simply responded that in Dak's first 3 years or so with that prime Zeke and that prime oline, that the offense achieved both leads and wins "moreso" off its run game effectiveness than its pass game.
If you believe the pass game was the driving force behind those early Dak and Zeke years no problem.
I'll respect your opinion. It's all good. No worries as I'm done here.
Peace be with you

It is - or at least the threat of. You cannot run without passing.

 

[Pass2Run]

Fast, YAC, spread D wide, quick/easy throws offense. Basically WCO. Including the RBs with Pollard and Deuce getting heavy time.

Dak going to end up like Donovan McNabb. That's sort of how I envision it capitalizing on the types of players we have.

If that defense is as good as it looks to be this year, just keep the Turnovers down, and put a few on the board because they were still shutting teams down by season end.

Muy bueno, mi vaquero.

 

[Ranching]

Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth. Then we will see!

Why would anyone let themselves get punched in the mouth? Shoot, no one has ever done that to me....I know it's a Tyson reference, but if you have a set, you wouldn't let that happen.

 

[Hardline]

This team has most of its success with a strong running game. Ground and pound still beats a passing offense 9 out of 10 times.
If we don't get 100 yards on the ground it's most likely going to be a loss.

 

[75boyz]

This team has most of its success with a strong running game. Ground and pound still beats a passing offense 9 out of 10 times.
If we don't get 100 yards on the ground it's most likely going to be a loss.

While I agree, others see differently.

 

[glimmerman]

Will not be much of a change. We were a running team in 2016. After that we have been slowly trying to get Dak throwing. We all know running QBs don’t make it long in the NFL. You have to be able to pass well if you’re going to be a franchise QB and get the money. I think both Dak and the team has been moving towards passing. When Dak had WRs he puts up the numbers. We don’t have the playoff success we want. Obviously. Last year we were forcing it with IMO a so so playcaller and the same plays. JJ quickly learned Dak needs more than 1 good WR.

But it’s a team game. 3 phase, we need balanced Offense and a Defense that attacks the ball. And a ST that can make the kicks and make a big play. Turpin missed a big play last year that could have turned the game.

Also if Pollard don’t come back to preinjury status and be able to handle the load which is alot to ask being that after about 12 to 15 totes and he is done then we will need another strong RB. Otherwise teams will shut the run down and force us to abandon the run and be 1 dimensional. But if another RB is able to step up then we could be a force. And our Defense will be strong.

Comes down to the trenches. O-Line worries me. At least the depth.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Fast, YAC, spread D wide, quick/easy throws offense. Basically WCO. Including the RBs with Pollard and Deuce getting heavy time.

Dak going to end up like Donovan McNabb. That's sort of how I envision it capitalizing on the types of players we have.

If that defense is as good as it looks to be this year, just keep the Turnovers down, and put a few on the board because they were still shutting teams down by season end.

I hope he doesn't end up as fat as McNabb or throwing up in the Super Bowl once he gets there like McNabb.

 

[TwoDeep3]

These don't really exist because most teams are on turf.

Dallas has two grass games after Thanksgiving - Miami and Washington. We're talking about one game where this might matter.

You would concede that there are games in December and January in non-domed stadiums in snow and rain and sleet that could be considered as wet and sloppy? Even on turf.

Yes?

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

You would concede that there are games in December and January in non-domed stadiums in snow and rain and sleet that could be considered as wet and sloppy? Even on turf.

Yes?

Not really

If you're on field turf the weather doesn't really matter much, other than wind.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Again, say what you will about the source. I'm only posting because I happen to agree here. The team is built to be able to run and pass this year, but it's more of a threat in the passing attack. The addition of Brandin Cooks, I believe, is still being underrated. Not only can he rank in the top 20-25 WRs, we also have Lamb, a healthy Gallup, and several promising UDFAs and rookies. If our TEs and rise to the occasion, it should be a fun year to watch.

I'm not saying we won't run the ball a lot. I think we will. But I think our bread and butter, this year, at least, will be the passing game. And we're going to need to pass in order to overcome teams like the Whiners.

I also think that the whole annoying QB list this year won't be as much of a discussion, because Dak's stats will place him in the top 5 due to the weapons around him. That will also help people understand that having weapons matters, especially if you're going to make some silly list.

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You would think that by now it would be over and that people would have stopped asking, but the Dallas Cowboys are the Dallas Cowboys after all. Despite doing his best to clarify at the beginning of training camp, head coach Mike McCarthy was asked just last week about his comments from the NFL Combine about wanting to “run the damn ball” and how they related to his philosophy as the team’s offensive play-caller.

As fate would have it, comments from March are nowhere near as valuable as football activities on the training camp field in late July and early August. The latter, beyond our common sense, has taught us that Mike McCarthy has no intentions of making his Cowboys any sort of run-first operation.

And people are finally starting to take notice.

LINK: https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...oast-running-game-passing-attack-dak-prescott

But in Bizarro World (aka Jerald World) what makes sense is no good.
So, handsome chaps and rugged women, if the NFL is in the era of the past, it is full speed on pounding the ball.

 

[Flamma]

These don't really exist because most teams are on turf.

Dallas has two grass games after Thanksgiving - Miami and Washington. We're talking about one game where this might matter.

At least half the league is grass. But more importantly, both the Eagles and the 49ers are grass fields. We could see one or both in January.

 

[Hadenough]

Why would anyone let themselves get punched in the mouth? Shoot, no one has ever done that to me....I know it's a Tyson reference, but if you have a set, you wouldn't let that happen.

I guess the 49ers have a set and the Cowboys don't. It's a general reference but plans change after first contact.

 

[Pass2Run]

Those are not numbers, because those numbers do not exist. Total yards is not a meaningful number. In this context, it is the same metric as attempts, more or less.

The disconnect is this: NFL teams can effectively pass without running. NFL teams cannot effectively run without passing. There is no such thing as a productive run-first offense in the NFL.

The point isn't that they throw a lot, it's that they throw effectively. The Browns game in 2016 is a perfect example. Zeke finished with less than 100 yards, and the Cowboys blew them out because of how well they threw the ball.

Numbers may not exist when the clock is ticking. But I do indeed believe they exist, particularly on an analytics front. I believe stats have always been a form of analytics.

 

[Pass2Run]

Those are not numbers, because those numbers do not exist. Total yards is not a meaningful number. In this context, it is the same metric as attempts, more or less.

The disconnect is this: NFL teams can effectively pass without running. NFL teams cannot effectively run without passing. There is no such thing as a productive run-first offense in the NFL.

The point isn't that they throw a lot, it's that they throw effectively. The Browns game in 2016 is a perfect example. Zeke finished with less than 100 yards, and the Cowboys blew them out because of how well they threw the ball.

So, then you break it down. Statistically, the difference here is, if the team can control the clock and the ball for longer periods of time, and gain productive yardage, per attempt, let's say, 3.9 for a low bar in today's game. Then, you can win the game if you limit turnovers, etc.

Just that right there is a form of analytics. Statistical, probable outcome.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

This team is only 3 years old. So nobody knows what they'll do.

That's why you play the games. To find out

Nice to speculate though

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

So, then you break it down. Statistically, the difference here is, if the team can control the clock and the ball for longer periods of time, and gain productive yardage, per attempt, let's say, 3.9 for a low bar in today's game. Then, you can win the game if you limit turnovers, etc.

Just that right there is a form of analytics. Statistical, probable outcome.

TOP doesn't matter

YPC doesn't matter, for what you're saying, because you aren't getting 3.9 ypc. When you inevitably have a poor rush, you have to throw the football.

 

[USArmyVet]

Of course, Dallas will pass a lot as JJ has to justify paying Dak....and of course, Dak will suck only to have his fanatics defend him with BS excuses....the definition of insanity.

 

[JayFord]

its not about pounding it or air it out

its about the situation

if youre up 13-6 with 7 minutes left in the game and the other team has 1 timeout

the main objective right now is to score yes, but also all you need is a field goal to go up 2 scores and give the other team less of a chance to win

run the ball....use up the clock...pass when needed but use up as much clock as you can