BTB: Lets Begin With the Ends

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Apologies if this has been posted already.

I've been thinking a DE might be a possibility at #27 if a good value safety or OL is not available or if they wanted to trade down but can't find a suitor.

His comment at the end is interesting.

Cowboys Draft '10, Part 22: Lets Begin With the Ends
by Rafael Vela on Apr 6, 2010

On my second trip to Oxnard back in '06, I was standing by the far fence one day watching the defensive linemen drill. A visiting coach turned to another, pointed at 2nd year starter Chris Canty and said, "that's what a five-technique looks like."

Canty defined the prototype. He is 6'7" and weighed 295 lbs. at the time. He's "high cut," with long legs and long arms. He had the length and the power the team looks for. A source told me the prototype Dallas end goes 6'5" or so and 285-295 lbs. starting out.

The Cowboys want linemen who can two-gap, taking on offensive tackles head up and maintaining the line of scrimmage if they are double teamed. Wade Phillips runs a more one-gap scheme, but he and Parcells want linemen who can get off blocks and chase down plays run away from them. Jay Ratliff's pursuit skills are a big reason why he was moved inside and why he gives centers such a hard time. His punchout gives big guards a hard time (I've seen him bend 366 lb. Leonard Davis backwards with a two-hand pop to the numbers.) Smaller centers have that much more trouble containing him.

The difference between the good and the exceptional five technique is the ability to contribute on 3rd downs. The average guys leave the field for situational rushers. The big timers, the Richard Seymours, generate a rush pushing inside or coming around the end on first, second and especially third down.

Canty's inability to produce on third down is one reason why he plays for the GIants now. That lack of late rush is why fellow '05 draftee Marcus Spears only received a 2nd-round tender this year (more on that in a minute). It's why the Cowboys were looking at ends in the early rounds last year and why DEs like Jared Odrick and Tyson Alualu rank high on their board this year.

Dallas has three dominant rushers in Demarcus Ware, Ratliff and Anthony Spencer. If the Cowboys can find that three-down end, in the Elvin Bethea mold, they'll have another interior terror to pair with Ratliff. Wade Phillips will be able to put QBs on the run with only four rushers.

This isn't a need spot, but if an end sits atop Dallas' board in any of the early rounds, he may well get a call from Jerry Jones. You can never have enough rushers.

Note: Spears signed his tender today. The early reaction has him penciled in at left end. As I see it, Spears also became trade-eligible the minute he signed that contract. Dallas has four DEs in Igor Olshansky, Spears, Jason Hatcher and Stephen Bowen. 3-4 teams only carry four and the addition of an Odrick or the like would mean Dallas is overstocked.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/6/1408726/cowboys-draft-10-part-22-lets#storyjump
 
I don't think I would be a happy camper if we took a DE in the first or second round. Not that it means a hill of beans to the cowboys what I think.
 
BrAinPaiNt;3336964 said:
I don't think I would be a happy camper if we took a DE in the first or second round. Not that it means a hill of beans to the cowboys what I think.

It does to me (hope that makes you feel better).

But seriously, I agree.

DE is a position of strength as of today.

Offensive line is a position of weakness.

Not rocket science.
 
BrAinPaiNt;3336964 said:
I don't think I would be a happy camper if we took a DE in the first or second round. Not that it means a hill of beans to the cowboys what I think.
If he is a good player, why not?
 
BrAinPaiNt;3336964 said:
I don't think I would be a happy camper if we took a DE in the first or second round. Not that it means a hill of beans to the cowboys what I think.
I would not have a problem with it so long as we are able to move Spears and if it is Odrick, we would have a pair of relentless interior bulldogs once he met up with Ratliff. This is not the first time that Elvin Bethea's name has been mentioned and it is a sign that Phillips would like that kind of rush presence from at least one of his ends.

Alualu is cut from the same cloth, intense and never stops. But it has to be a value. I am not sure Alualu would be a value choice at 27.
 
Double Trouble;3336979 said:
If he is a good player, why not?

I think we can find equally valued players at other positions that address a higher need.
 
Double Trouble;3336979 said:
If he is a good player, why not?

I think maybe because it wouldn't be a sexy pick, and/or it wouldn't be a player at a position that we as fans have identified as a major need area like Oline or secondary.

That said, if it is a player that the coaching staff really believes can increase our pass rush, then I'd have to be on board with it.
 
Sounds like Odrick will never make it to 27, so probably not a consideration. There was a recent article that had the Browns drooling all over him.
 
Picking DEs early makes Brainpant a sad panda.

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I think Dallas needs to address the other side of the line, unless an execptional talent falls to 27.
 
i am going BPA at 27,even though JJ has painted himself into a corner with the release of hamling and Flo.i just dont want them to force a need pick in the first rd.If its a DE then so be it,spears is gone next year anyway.
 
lkelly;3336987 said:
Sounds like Odrick will never make it to 27, so probably not a consideration. There was a recent article that had the Browns drooling all over him.

Yhea, but that could be for the Browns early 2nd round pick - not their first rounder.

That said, I think NE will take Odrick before 27 anyway.
 
I like where Vela's head is at.


This is what a lot of us have been crying about for years........ "CANTY AND SPEARS GET NO PUSH!"

followed by someone saying "A 3-4 DE's job is to stop the run idiot."


Like he said, the good one's can stop the run AND rush the passer. Sign me up for Odrick or dude from Cal.
 
Joe Rod;3336993 said:
Picking DEs early makes Brainpant a sad panda.

Stop, or cowboyjoe will have about 20 "this mock has us taking a DE! I bet brainpaint is gonna go crazy!" posts a day.
 
HoleInTheRoof;3337064 said:
Stop, or cowboyjoe will have about 20 "this mock has us taking a DE! I bet brainpaint is gonna go crazy!" posts a day.

I think he reserves that love/devotion for Hostile.:D
 
Alexander;3336981 said:
I would not have a problem with it so long as we are able to move Spears and if it is Odrick, we would have a pair of relentless interior bulldogs once he met up with Ratliff. This is not the first time that Elvin Bethea's name has been mentioned and it is a sign that Phillips would like that kind of rush presence from at least one of his ends.

Alualu is cut from the same cloth, intense and never stops. But it has to be a value. I am not sure Alualu would be a value choice at 27.

agreed, if its Odrick and we get a second for spears to draft OL.
 
As long as our front office thinks the guy is the best player available, I don't have a problem taking any position (not including QB).

If Odrick is there at our pick and we have him ranked as the 8th best guy, then by all means, pull the trigger. However, if he's there and is ranked, say, 17th and there is an OL there who we ranked at a close 18th or 19th, then I feel we need to go with the obvious need and take the OL.

Like I said though, if a DE is head and shoulders better than anyone who's left... I say go ahead and do it.
 
If the Cowboys take any defensive player in the first round that isn't a CB or Safety, I'll be upset.
 
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