BTB: Lockout Injunction Coming?

[CCBoy]

Dallas Cowboys Tidbits: Lockout Injunction Coming? Schedule To Be Released
by KD Drummond

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011...bits-lockout-injunction-coming-schedule-to-be



Just some quick notes I wanted to pass on that will hopefully brighten your Tuesday mornings. Just saw a tweet from Peter King that he expects Federal Judge Susan Nelson to enact an injuction in the players favor on the lockout.

Any gut feeling on nelson's ruling? ... Yes. I think Nelson will issue an injunction favoring the players by the weekend.

-- Peter King

Now, I don't trust King's player evaluations one bit, but in regards to league insider knowledge, he is one of the best. Since media is locked out of the proceedings, King could be relaying what he is hearing from the owner's camp. Of course, an injunction will be followed by appeals, so we probably still shouldn't expect a resolution before the draft. However, this is much better news than the varying reports that the mediation is just a dog and pony show for the judge, and that the sides aren't really trying to reach a resolution....



(Judge Nelson announced that she would arrive at a decision in two weeks. Two weeks will be Wednesday.)

 

[YosemiteSam]

Captain Obvious (Peter King) strikes again!

It is almost a given that an injunction was going to happen in the first place.

 

[Stash]

I'll be interested to see what - if any- impact that an injunction lifting the lockout will have, especially if it's enforced prior to the draft.

Will there be a mad scramble by some teams to fill holes with free agents before draft day?

And will some players reap the huge financial benefits that the scramble will create?

I'm wondering if business as usual will be the rule of the day until any appeal from the owners is heard?

 

[Marktui]

Does that mean if the lockout is lifted, football operations will resume? Even if the owners appeal the verdict??

 

[jterrell]

I'll be interested to see what - if any- impact that an injunction lifting the lockout will have, especially if it's enforced prior to the draft.

Will there be a mad scramble by some teams to fill holes with free agents before draft day?

And will some players reap the huge financial benefits that the scramble will create?

I'm wondering if business as usual will be the rule of the day until any appeal from the owners is heard?

It will be interesting that is for sure.

I welcome any movement this brings.

 

[BigDFan5]

and then the owners file for relief from the appeals court which they grant prior to taking the case, and in the end we are right where we are now just waiting on a different court

 

[Stash]

It will be interesting that is for sure.

I welcome any movement this brings.

I think I would too.

As long as it didn't lead to changes to things like the salary cap, franchise tags, and most importantly, the draft.

 

[jterrell]

I think I would too.

As long as it didn't lead to changes to things like the salary cap, franchise tags, and most importantly, the draft.

well right now it would be under last year's rules so no cap.... long term they need to come up with a new CBA.

 

[YosemiteSam]

and then the owners file for relief from the appeals court which they grant prior to taking the case, and in the end we are right where we are now just waiting on a different court

Doubt it. They have to prove harm is being done by lifting the injunction. I don't think the owners can at this point.

 

[jterrell]

and then the owners file for relief from the appeals court which they grant prior to taking the case, and in the end we are right where we are now just waiting on a different court

Again, why this is interesting.

If the lock out is lifted that is legally binding. An appeal can not over turn it wholly without a ruling. It will be interesting to see how far it goes. Legally, the appeal wording will be key.

Also we have to note that owners will need to determine how much money are they willing to risk. If they lose all summer in a lockout with no negotiations on-going and fan unrest at high levels plus small rosters of players with big caps.. .just how ready are they if the NFLPA does win in the appeal phase?

Anyone here want to see Dallas try to play games without some practice in Redball and Ryan's schemes this off-season? Anyone wanna play with zero free agents brought in before game 1? We all know players love to skip TC. If that occurs do we want to watch football just start with no pre-season? Do owners want to give up 4 free income earning games for themselves?



notes from others:
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2011/4/17/2107354/one-possible-outcome-of-the-injunction-suit

2) The Injunction is granted (the Lockout is lifted by court order): Proving the Lockout is causing irreparable harm to the players is questionable, but the Judge has lots of latitude to rule for them anyway. As several experts admit, every sports league violates anti-trust laws. Such a ruling would make it virtually certain that we’ll have a 2011 NFL season.


back to my own comment:

Bottom line is if the NFLPA wins an injunction that starts a whole new world.

 

[dogberry]

Does the 60/40 (or less) split still exist if the lockout is lifted? No salary cap, no salary floor...who is making out like a bandit under the CBA not being (sorry carry over from another thread)?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think I would too.

As long as it didn't lead to changes to things like the salary cap, franchise tags, and most importantly, the draft.

Screw franchise tags.

If Tony Romo does not want to play for the Cowboys then that is his prerogative. Same with Logan Mankins or Payton Manning or anyone else.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and consent of the governed hold more weight than your favorite football team controlling players so you will like watching them more.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and then the owners file for relief from the appeals court which they grant prior to taking the case, and in the end we are right where we are now just waiting on a different court

That assumes that the appeals court will go against Judge Nelson's decision. Everything within legal circles that I have read indicates that she has been VERY thorough.

What mythical procedural argument do you see the appeals court accepting for them to lift anything?

 

[dogberry]

I thought MLB had a blanket exemption from anti-trust laws? If every league violates anti-trust, then there is probably something inherent in sporting activities that the law does not get.

Laws distort.

 

[Stash]

Screw franchise tags.

If Tony Romo does not want to play for the Cowboys then that is his prerogative. Same with Logan Mankins or Payton Manning or anyone else.

I see both sides of this equation. Anyone getting tagged is receiving a huge sum of money as a result. Players like Walter Jones, Charles Woodson, and Nnamdi Asomugah have made plenty of money under the burden of the franchise tag.

Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and consent of the governed hold more weight than your favorite football team controlling players so you will like watching them more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


I just wonder how Jefferson and the boys explained this to their slaves?

 

[dogberry]

Fuzz, can I safely assume you wouldn't approve of a CBA that took away the fundamental right of a player to determine his own path?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see both sides of this equation. Anyone getting tagged is receiving a huge sum of money as a result. Players like Walter Jones, Charles Woodson, and Nnamdi Asomugah have made plenty of money under the burden of the franchise tag.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[72] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,


I just wonder how Jefferson and the boys explained this to their slaves?

So are you saying that those rights are not selfevident? That those slaves should not have been freed? That the British governemtn was right to control New Englands homes, lands and property without representation?

And again where is the cutoff point where you give someone enough money to take their rights away? $1,000,000?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzz, can I safely assume you wouldn't approve of a CBA that took away the fundamental right of a player to determine his own path?

COLLECTIVE bargaining agreement. Ie the players are REPRESENTED.

 

[dogberry]

If a player did not wish to be bound by a majority vote of the other players, would you support his right to opt out of the CBA while retaining the right to play in the NFL?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If a player did not wish to be bound by a majority vote of the other players, would you support his right to opt out of the CBA while retaining the right to play in the NFL?

I am not an anarchist. Certain inalienable rights and majority rule.

Welcome to the United States.