BTB:Should Cowboys Trade Draft Picks With The Patriots?

[cowboyjoe]

Should Cowboys Trade Draft Picks With The Patriots?
by One.Cool.Customer on Feb 3, 2011 8:58 AM CST in Dallas Cowboys 2011 Draft

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/2/3/1972223/should-cowboys-trade-draft-picks-with-the-patriots
The Patriots, thanks to some shrewd maneuvering, have three picks in the top 33 in the 2011 draft. Overall, they have accumulated nine draft picks so far, six of which are in the first three rounds. The Patriots may not have enough roster spots to accommodate so many picks, so there has been rampant speculation about what, if anything, the Patriots will do with all those draft picks.

Yesterday, Patriots evil overlord head coach Bill Belichick talked with NFL Network's Mike Lombardi about the team's picks, and what the Patriots might do with them. Belichick said the Patriots have already received interest in their three draft picks:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I would absolutely trade down if the targeted players the Cowboys have in mind are gone. Stupid not to IMO.

 

[kevinhickey]

Can anyone tell me the value of the #9 selection if a deal was made with New England.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

NE was the team I pointed out in my mock as the one we could trade down with, it makes alot of sense. However, they are a team that strikes me as too stingy to give up much. I don't see more then a 1st and 4th coming from them.

 

[reddyuta]

new england might want to draft miller or Quinn,i would trade down for their first and a 2nd rd pick.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can anyone tell me the value of the #9 selection if a deal was made with New England.

Here are a couple of different trade scenarios mentioned in the article.

Cowboys 9th and 140th (1386 pts) = Patriots 17th, 60th and 92nd (1382 pts)

Cowboys 9th and 71st (1585 pts) = Patriots 17th, 33rd and 124th (1578 pts)

Cowboys 9th & 40th & 140th (1886 pts) = Patriots 17th, 28th and 60th (1910 pts)

 

[The Realist]

Here are a couple of different trade scenarios mentioned in the article.

Cowboys 9th and 140th (1386 pts) = Patriots 17th, 60th and 92nd (1382 pts)

Cowboys 9th and 71st (1585 pts) = Patriots 17th, 33rd and 124th (1578 pts)

Cowboys 9th & 40th & 140th (1886 pts) = Patriots 17th, 28th and 60th (1910 pts)

I like option #1 because we pick up an extra 2 and 3.

If we got option 2 I would probably use #33 to trade down a skosh and get the 3 back. Or use #40 that way.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like option #1 because we pick up an extra 2 and 3.

If we got option 2 I would probably use #33 to trade down a skosh and get the 3 back. Or use #40 that way.

33 is a nice pick because it's the 1st pick in the 2nd round and any player that has slipped from the 1st rd or any player that has 1st round skills but a bit of a red flag in their past is there for you. If you want to take that guy, you take him without the risk of 1st round money and contract years. It is also an easy pick to trade because there are teams who covet certain players and want them for the very same reasons outlined in the 2nd as opposed to the first round. It's an easy pick to trade and get value on.

 

[texbumthelife]

Option two would be phenominal if we could pull it off. I just don't think the Patsies have anything pressing enough to move to 9.

We would still have a shot at elite talent with each pick. I could very well see that going:

17: Carmimi (or if my dreams come true Cameron Heyward)
33: Brandon Harris
40: Taylor or best OL talent available.

Everything after these picks would be cake. This would solidify all pressing needs.

 

[rkell87]

option 2 is the best imo, 33 is a good pick to have if it is not your original pick plus that is 3 picks within 23 spots of each other

 

[Teague31]

Option two would be phenominal if we could pull it off. I just don't think the Patsies have anything pressing enough to move to 9.

We would still have a shot at elite talent with each pick. I could very well see that going:

17: Carmimi (or if my dreams come true Cameron Heyward)
33: Brandon Harris
40: Taylor or best OL talent available.

Everything after these picks would be cake. This would solidify all pressing needs.

NE absolutely has to have a big time WR. I could easily see them coming up to #9 if AJ Green is still there.

 

[cowboyjoe]

Can anyone tell me the value of the #9 selection if a deal was made with New England.

At number 9 position, the cowboys value points are 1,350,
the patriots picks in 1st round are
17th 975 points
28th 755 points

as you see that too many points to get patriots to give us both their number one picks

2nd round 33rd is 690 points, still to high
2nd round 60th pick 400 points

so if you take the 17th pick and 2nd rounder at 60th pick 400 points you come up with 1375, equal in points, you might get the patriots to throw in an extra 6th or 7th to sweeten the deal

you can look up on the internet Draft Trade Value Chart, so you can keep up with it come draft time
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7
1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2
2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8
3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4
4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13
5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6
6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2
7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8
8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4
9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11
10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6
11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2
12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8
13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4
14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9
15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6
16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2
17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8
18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4
19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7
20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6
21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2
22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8
23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4
24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5
25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6
26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2
27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8
28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4
29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3
30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6
31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3
32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2

 

[Cowboy Brian]

love Cowboys 9th and 140th (1386 pts) = Patriots 17th, 60th and 92nd (1382 pts)


Brandon Harris at 17, and then i'd have to look for the extra 2nd and 3rd round picks. But that trade doesn't seem a patriot like trade.

 

[texbumthelife]

NE absolutely has to have a big time WR. I could easily see them coming up to #9 if AJ Green is still there.

Did you see the numbers Tom Brady put up this season? This couldn't be further from the truth.

 

[romo_19_55]

If Patrick Peterson doesn't drop to pick #5 thru #8 or Robert Quinn or Von Miller doesn't fall to pick #9, I'm sure the Cowboys might think seriously about trading down in the first round to pick up another 3rd round pick. If so, I'd hope the Boys draft PHYSICAL guys in this years draft to match Jason Garrett's stated new Cowboys mission statement. With Rob Ryan aboard, maybe Jerrah and scouting department will have the same vision!!! That being said, they are plenty of talented tough college football players (that play with a nasty streak) available in this year's draft. Let's all hope we get lucky and draft/sign via free agency the following player:

1st Rd: Patrick Peterson CB or Robert Quinn (OLB)
2nd Rd: Derrick Sherrod or Gabe Carimi OT/OG
3rd Rd: Kenrick Ellis or Phil Taylor NT (mammoth at 6'4" 340lbs)
4th Rd: Tim Barnes (Wisconsin tough guy) or Jake Kirkpatrick C
5th Rd: Robert Sands (6'4" 221lbs) or Deunta Williams FS
6th Rd: John Clay or Henry Hynoski FB
7th Rd: Da'Rel Scott RB (4.34 40yd/5'11" 205lbs) or Allen Bradford RB

 

[Brother Ali]

If Patrick and Quinn go before 6, Jerry has to be on the phones and moving back. There is no other player worth 9. Prince should be picked around 13-17.

Give me Prince, Carimi and Wis in the first 2 rounds please.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If Patrick and Quinn go before 6, Jerry has to be on the phones and moving back. There is no other player worth 9. Prince should be picked around 13-17.

Give me Prince, Carimi and Wis in the first 2 rounds please.

I don't know about this. I think it depends on who the Cowboys have on their boards. However, I do agree in principle. If their player is not there, then trading back is a very viable option.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Pats need a pass rushing OLB very badly. They need a WR that can stretch the defense. They need help on the OL, they need a CB. The CB, IMO, is the player they might move up for. I think that the CBs would be gone at 9. If they are not, then the Cowboys might not want to trade and decide to take the CB they want if he's there. The OL is later in the 1st so you don't trade up for that. WR is also later in the draft unless it's Green they covet and I seriously doubt he's there at 9. If he is, then that could be the trade.

 

[johnnyd]

I like option #1 because we pick up an extra 2 and 3.

If we got option 2 I would probably use #33 to trade down a skosh and get the 3 back. Or use #40 that way.

great word

this pick holds alot of value as mentioned by other posters. teams will defitnatly overpay for it which is why i dont think the pats would deal it to us to move up. This is the pick they will use to recoup whatever they might give to trade up or to trade for someone number 1 next year

 

[Brother Ali]

I don't know about this. I think it depends on who the Cowboys have on their boards. However, I do agree in principle. If their player is not there, then trading back is a very viable option.

Obviously it takes another team to REALLY value a certain player and move up and make it work.

I'm hoping a Von Miller tumbles, or Gabbert takes a nose dive. Hopefully Cam Jordan can sky rocket after the combine and we can make a deal with the Pats or something.

I'd love to have the Raiders pick(Pats) and the Pats 33rd overall.