Bucs trade WR Mike Williams to Bills

[WoodysGirl]

 

[TwoCentPlain]

To all those fixated on the GM, take a look at the Mike Williams, Desean Jackson, and Kenny Britt situations. Some bona-fide, real GM just gave up a 6th round pick for a WR who can't stay out of trouble and, by the way, just got stabbed in his leg, and who was most likely going to be cut, and the current head coach was the guy who kicked him off the team in college. Pure genius. If only we had a real GM like Buffalo...Or if we only had a real GM like TB last year...

The Eagles' GM must be an absolute idiot for not even being able to trade a much better and less troubled WR Desean Jackson. Let's cut our best WR and sign the idiot WR Cooper long term. Or is the idiot GM the the one who paid $8M/year for a WR with gang ties?

And then there is the continuing saga of WR Kenny Britt. The Rams' GM thinks $1.4M for a WR who has been arrested something like 8 times in the past few years is a good deal. If only we had a real GM ...

3 Players, 6 bona-fide, 'real' GMs involved and some real head-scratching decisions. Dang, if only we had a 'real' GM, if only we had a real GM, if only we had a real GM...

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

To all those fixated on the GM, take a look at the Mike Williams, Desean Jackson, and Kenny Britt situations. Some bona-fide, real GM just gave up a 6th round pick for a WR who can't stay out of trouble and, by the way, just got stabbed in his leg, and who was most likely going to be cut, and the current head coach was the guy who kicked him off the team in college. Pure genius. If only we had a real GM like Buffalo...Or if we only had a real GM like TB last year...

The Eagles' GM must be an absolute idiot for not even being able to trade a much better and less troubled WR Desean Jackson. Let's cut our best WR and sign the idiot WR Cooper long term. Or is the idiot GM the the one who paid $8M/year for a WR with gang ties?

And then there is the continuing saga of WR Kenny Britt. The Rams' GM thinks $1.4M for a WR who has been arrested something like 8 times in the past few years is a good deal. If only we had a real GM ...

3 Players, 6 bona-fide, 'real' GMs involved and some real head-scratching decisions. Dang, if only we had a 'real' GM, if only we had a real GM, if only we had a real GM...

The failings or mistakes of other GMs do not make up for the Failings or mistakes of ours.

What you have left out is...Those GMs have not been the same GMs for 20+ years for the same team...ours has. Those GMs can have the owners fire them...ours will not.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The failings or mistakes of other GMs do not make up for the Failings or mistakes of ours.

What you have left out is...Those GMs have not been the same GMs for 20+ years for the same team...ours has. Those GMs can have the owners fire them...ours will not.

You mean 'real' GMs are not perfect and make mistakes also? Point is, all GMs make mistakes. All GMs have to gamble. There is no science or proven methodolgy to GM-ing. People who cry for a real GM, can't even define qualities associated with a real GM. All they want is to be able to fire someone, someone to blame.

I haven't researched it but I would guess that most GMs graded over the long term (say 20 years) would have roughly a .500 record. Eventually, it is going to even out in the long run. There are just too many unknowns, too many variables, the salary cap, the draft order, etc. which make it hard to be consistently beat the odds.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

You mean 'real' GMs are not perfect and make mistakes also? Point is, all GMs make mistakes. All GMs have to gamble. There is no science or proven methodolgy to GM-ing. People who cry for a real GM, can't even define qualities associated with a real GM. All they want is to be able to fire someone, someone to blame.

I haven't researched it but I would guess that most GMs graded over the long term (say 20 years) would have roughly a .500 record. Eventually, it is going to even out in the long run. There are just too many unknowns, too many variables, the salary cap, the draft order, etc. which make it hard to be consistently beat the odds.

GMs who routinely make mistakes...get fired.

Ours will not.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

GMs who routinely make mistakes...get fired.

Ours will not.

And what? Does it soothe your pain? I guess the Cleveland Browns' fans feel a little bit better after each GM and coach firing.

All GMs make mistakes. All GMs get blamed for things beyond their control also. Such as injuries. It might be your opinion that Jerry routinely makes mistakes. Not my opinion of him. Some good decisions, some bad decisions. Just like every other GM out there.

Bottom recent line: Jerry has fielded a team with enough talent to compete for the NFC East title these past three years. The GM delivered. The players and coaches failed to deliver.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

And what? Does it soothe your pain? I guess the Cleveland Browns' fans feel a little bit better after each GM and coach firing.

All GMs make mistakes. All GMs get blamed for things beyond their control also. Such as injuries. It might be your opinion that Jerry routinely makes mistakes. Not my opinion of him. Some good decisions, some bad decisions. Just like every other GM out there.

Bottom recent line: Jerry has fielded a team with enough talent to compete for the NFC East title these past three years. The GM delivered. The players and coaches failed to deliver.

The GM has delivered a .500 team for the past decade +.

In my book that should get you fired...but don't take my word for it...

Take the Owner and GMs word for it...

In an interview that aired before Sunday Night Football, Bob Costas asked Jones whether he'd have fired himself as general manager following his team's years of struggling:

"Well, I think so, because he was there to dismiss. I've always worked for myself and you can't do that. You basically have to straighten that guy out in the mirror when you work for yourself. But certainly, if I'd had the discretion, I've done it with coaches and certainly I would have changed a general manager."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/11/04/jerry-jones-fire-self-general-manager/1682333/

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The GM has delivered a .500 team for the past decade +.

In my book that should get you fired...but don't take my word for it...

Take the Owner and GMs word for it...

You got me on that one. I never understood it when he said it. I guess he never really meant it because he didn't do it. Do we treat people the same way we treat ourselves? No, we treat them much more harsher. Does it make it right? No. In a results-oriented business such as sales, I have seen people get fired for things beyond their control and not their fault. CEOs get fired sometimes for no good reason other than performance not met. Underlings screwed up and a scapegoat was needed.

 

[manster4ever]

The failings or mistakes of other GMs do not make up for the Failings or mistakes of ours.

What you have left out is...Those GMs have not been the same GMs for 20+ years for the same team...ours has. Those GMs can have the owners fire them...ours will not.

WELL said....and true.