Buehler is a league average field goal kicker

[hra8700]

If one kicker is 10/10 is he necessarilly better than a kicker that's 5/10?

Not if the first kicker kicked 10 20 yard field goals and the second kicker kicked 10 50 yard field goals.

Distance matters.

Based on this graph that shows average field goal percentage of every kicker in the league for the last 10 years:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3689279396_ab3d5f712a_o.png

I calculated based on the distance of every one of his kicks this year that he should have made slightly over 24 of his 31 field goals. He made 24.

Thus, if you account for the DISTANCE he was asked to kick, he is an average kicker.

No need to replace him.

 

[TheSport78]

If one kicker is 10/10 is he necessarilly better than a kicker that's 5/10?

Not if the first kicker kicked 10 20 yard field goals and the second kicker kicked 10 50 yard field goals.

Distance matters.

Based on this graph that shows average field goal percentage of every kicker in the league for the last 10 years:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3689279396_ab3d5f712a_o.png

I calculated based on the distance of every one of his kicks this year that he should have made slightly over 24 of his 31 field goals. He made 24.

Thus, if you account for the DISTANCE he was asked to kick, he is an average kicker.

No need to replace him.

He seems to miss big kicks in crucial moments. What kicker misses an extra point? Get his arse out of Dallas.

 

[Doomsday101]

He seems to miss big kicks in crucial moments. What kicker misses an extra point? Get his arse out of Dallas.

many kickers have missed xp even the top ones. He has made 2 game winning kicks to end games so the notion at critical moment he missed is not true.

 

[adamknite]

That doinked XP infuriates me just as much as anyone else, however there is absolutely no reason to cut him now with one game left and not bring him back for training camp next year.

With that said, there is no reason not to bring in some "real" competition and see if they can beat him out in training camp next year as well.

 

[IowaCowboyFan]

what would make your graph more convincing is to show his trend line vs the trend line of some the longer stent kickers in the legaue... that way you can actually compare him to them

 

[goshan]

many kickers have missed xp even the top ones. He has made 2 game winning kicks to end games so the notion at critical moment he missed is not true.

I would give him another year.
I like his kickoff skills.

 

[DBOY3141]

That doinked XP infuriates me just as much as anyone else, however there is absolutely no reason to cut him now with one game left and not bring him back for training camp next year.

With that said, there is no reason not to bring in some "real" competition and see if they can beat him out in training camp next year as well.

The extra point was frustrating, but it didn't lose the game. The defense did, just as it did in the NO, Chicago, Jags, Tenn, GB game.

Do not cut Buehler. Bring in competition and may the best man win. Just like with RG, RT, DE, ILB, CB, S.

 

[Doomsday101]

That doinked XP infuriates me just as much as anyone else, however there is absolutely no reason to cut him now with one game left and not bring him back for training camp next year.

With that said, there is no reason not to bring in some "real" competition and see if they can beat him out in training camp next year as well.

Even if you bring someone else in most of these kickers know the competition they face is not always the other guy on the team but other kickers around the league. No doubt Dallas can bring in another kicker the down side is then both guys are limited in the attempts they get. Unlike the other position on a team who a coach can give him 3 qrts of a game or a half the kicker may only get 2 or 3 kicks in a game and if you are sharing them then neither guy is getting the opportunities to prove they are the guy you should go with.

 

[Hoofbite]

many kickers have missed xp even the top ones. He has made 2 game winning kicks to end games so the notion at critical moment he missed is not true.

His "game winning" kick in Indy happened, in part, because he missed a FG earlier on.

The guys inconsistent. There's a place for him on the roster as a KO specialist but not as a FG kicker.

He missed a kick in the opener if I remember......those 3 would have been nice. Could have sent the game into OT instead of watching Barron hold Dallas back from a win.

 

[CowboyMike]

He seems to miss big kicks in crucial moments. What kicker misses an extra point? Get his arse out of Dallas.

Many kickers, top kickers, have missed extra points.

http://tsketar.conlang.org/sports/XPs.html

As you can see, Lawrence Tynes and some dude name Adam Vinatieri missed extra points in 2008. And by that link you can see it happens a lot more often than you think.

Vinatieri also missed one back in 2001. It happens.

In fact, only one kicker in the league has never missed an extra point in his career....that would be one Nick Folk.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/xp_perc_active.htm

 

[Doomsday101]

His "game winning" kick in Indy happened, in part, because he missed a FG earlier on.

The guys inconsistent. There's a place for him on the roster as a KO specialist but not as a FG kicker.

He missed a kick in the opener if I remember......those 3 would have been nice. Could have sent the game into OT instead of watching Barron hold Dallas back from a win.

But when push came to shove he made it and had been kicking alot better lately. You say he is inconsistent so were many of the top kickers at his stage of his career.

 

[Hoofbite]

But when push came to shove he made it and had been kicking alot better lately. You say he is inconsistent so were many of the top kickers at his stage of his career.

I don't really care about who was inconsistent and when.

I'd rather not have to worry about leaving points on the field in half the games and just have the guy concentrate on kicking off.

Or, I guess the team can just keep hoping upon hopes that all works out well.......eventually.

Might as well hope that Colombo comes back to form or that Davis starts earning his meal ticket.

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't really care about who was inconsistent and when.

I'd rather not have to worry about leaving points on the field in half the games and just have the guy concentrate on kicking off.

Or, I guess the team can just keep hoping upon hopes that all works out well.......eventually.

Might as well hope that Colombo comes back to form or that Davis starts earning his meal ticket.

It is part of the process that most kickers go through even Reed. Maybe that is why Dallas can't keep a decent kicker they cut them so quick while others have worked with their kickers and help develop them into top kickers. As for the comment about Colombo and Davis that is a bit different they are long time vets at the end of their career.

 

[LandryFan]

He seems to miss big kicks in crucial moments. What kicker misses an extra point? Get his arse out of Dallas.

I seem to recall a couple of game winners at the end of games. To me, that's crucial.

 

[TheSport78]

Many kickers, top kickers, have missed extra points.

http://tsketar.conlang.org/sports/XPs.html

As you can see, Lawrence Tynes and some dude name Adam Vinatieri missed extra points in 2008. And by that link you can see it happens a lot more often than you think.

Vinatieri also missed one back in 2001. It happens.

In fact, only one kicker in the league has never missed an extra point in his career....that would be one Nick Folk.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/xp_perc_active.htm

The main point is that Buehler is way too inconsistent to be trusted as a kicker. When the season began, there were real high expectations, and Buehler missed crucial kicks in the first two ball games (WAS and CHI) that hampered us to win those games. When your kicker lines up and you have NO idea if he's going to make the kick, whether it's from 53 or 23 yards away, you need to consider moving on or bring in REAL competition for the spot.

 

[Dodger]

So, basically, Buehler was asked to kick more long distance FGs than most other kickers this year?

Let's see...

At 50+ yards, Buehler had 5 attempts which puts him tied for 3rd behind Carpenter with 8 and Janikowski with 7 (tied with Folk and Lindell).

From 40-49 yards, he had 11 attempts which puts him at 6th (the kicker with the most attempts in this range was Carpenter with 17...wow, the Dolphins must have sucked this year in scoring TDs).

From 0-39 yards, he was right in the middle of the pack in attempts, so perhaps this conclusion has some merit.


Consider this: If Buehler had made just one more of his 31 FG attempts, he would be sitting at 80%.

Hmm...

 

[Doomsday101]

So, basically, Buehler was asked to kick more long distance FGs than most other kickers this year?

Let's see...

At 50+ yards, Buehler had 5 attempts which puts him tied for 3rd behind Carpenter with 8 and Janikowski with 7 (tied with Folk and Lindell).

From 40-49 yards, he had 11 attempts which puts him at 6th (the kicker with the most attempts in this range was Carpenter with 17...wow, the Dolphins must have sucked this year in scoring TDs).

From 0-39 yards, he was right in the middle of the pack in attempts, so perhaps this conclusion has some merit.


Consider this: If Buehler had made just one more of his 31 FG attempts, he would be sitting at 80%.

Hmm...

or we could jump off sides and put him in his comfort range. :laugh2:

 

[Dodger]

or we could jump off sides and put him in his comfort range. :laugh2:

There you go!

His stats are really weird. He actually has a better hit percentage at 50+ yards than from 30-39.

 

[The Emperor]

He seems to miss big kicks in crucial moments. What kicker misses an extra point? Get his arse out of Dallas.

You mean like the kick to beat the Colts in overtime and the kick to beat the Commanders two weeks ago?

 

[john van brocklin]

If one kicker is 10/10 is he necessarilly better than a kicker that's 5/10?

Not if the first kicker kicked 10 20 yard field goals and the second kicker kicked 10 50 yard field goals.

Distance matters.

Based on this graph that shows average field goal percentage of every kicker in the league for the last 10 years:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3597/3689279396_ab3d5f712a_o.png

I calculated based on the distance of every one of his kicks this year that he should have made slightly over 24 of his 31 field goals. He made 24.

Thus, if you account for the DISTANCE he was asked to kick, he is an average kicker.

No need to replace him.

Since when is average good enough ?