Bunting rumors post combine good stuff

[casmith07]

Yes, it is.

Other than Deunta Williams, there's no one that I'd like the Cowboys to pursue, and even he's a question mark coming off of an injury.

Say it with me: it's only a broken leg. It's not a ligament tear.

 

[casmith07]

If he doesn't tackle Ryan won't have him.

Ras-I Dowling tackles everything.

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[InmanRoshi]

Jonathon Baldwin reminds me a lot of Roy Williams. A big bodied long strider who doesn't get much separation in and out of his breaks.

 

[supercowboy8]

Ras-I Dowling tackles everything.
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he sure does, he evens tackles him self and gets taken off the field. They guy is always injuried. He just pulled a hammy at the combine. 4th round he is worth the gamble but not early 3rd. I think he could be a good FS but his injuries scare me

 

[Plankton]

Say it with me: it's only a broken leg. It's not a ligament tear.

Tell that to Joe Theismann.

 

[casmith07]

Tell that to Joe Theismann.

1. This is 2011, not 1985.
2. Deunta Williams did not suffer a compound fracture of both the tibia and fibula.
3. Deunta Williams is not 36 years old.

Shall I continue?

 

[YosemiteSam]

He isn't on another planet from Dez, but he is better then Julio. Much better actually.


Drafting Julio Jones over AJ green will be like 09 when Oakland took Heyward Bey(speed and size are comparable,along with production) over Crabtree and Maclin.

I'm sorry, but the combine hype has people going crazy. Julio may be a decent pro but AJ is going to be much better.

No it won't.

I think AJ is very Dez like except that he isn't anywhere near as strong as Dez. I think he is going to get pushed around a bit in the league until he gets stronger.

Julio Jones is going to be a good player too. I think he has good work ethic, strong, fast, and an all around good player. I think his only real hit against him was route running. I think his work ethic will correct that.

I think whoever drafts either one of these guys is going to be very happy with the final product.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Curtis Brown of Texas had a great Combine. I watched him a lot at Texas and this is a good player. He's a bit lite at 185 lbs. but he has good height at 6'0. He needs more experience and he needs to get stronger but he has skills. Was a WR in HS, prior to coming to Texas.

Compare his numbers to those of other top CB prospects and I think he compares favorably. He's not a 4.3 guy but he is a 4.4 buy. His official 40 time was 4.51 but he ran a 4.4 flat in his first attempt and then a 4.59 in his second. Same thing happened to Aaron Williams. He benched more reps then Patrick or Amukamara (18), His Vert was better then any of the top CB prospects at 39.5, His Broad tied for best among the top CBs as 10.8, his shuttle was tops and his 3Cone was 2nd best at 6.59 just behind Patrick at 6.58.

I would consider him very strongly after the 1st round. Would be great to get him in the 3rd.

 

[realtick]

Curtis Brown of Texas had a great Combine. I watched him a lot at Texas and this is a good player. He's a bit lite at 185 lbs. but he has good height at 6'0. He needs more experience and he needs to get stronger but he has skills. Was a WR in HS, prior to coming to Texas.

Compare his numbers to those of other top CB prospects and I think he compares favorably. He's not a 4.3 guy but he is a 4.4 buy. His official 40 time was 4.51 but he ran a 4.4 flat in his first attempt and then a 4.59 in his second. Same thing happened to Aaron Williams. He benched more reps then Patrick or Amukamara (18), His Vert was better then any of the top CB prospects at 39.5, His Broad tied for best among the top CBs as 10.8, his shuttle was tops and his 3Cone was 2nd best at 6.59 just behind Patrick at 6.58.

I would consider him very strongly after the 1st round. Would be great to get him in the 3rd.

I like both of those players (Curtis Brown and A. Williams).

Curtis Brown is tremendously fluid and athletic. He has more than adequate speed for the CB position.

I don't know what happened with Aaron Williams but he looked incredibly bulked up at the combine than his days at UT. He does look like a prototypical safety IMO.

Wouldn't mind either of these guys as prospects.

 

[baj1dallas]

This is the second time in the last couple days I have read Smith was a bad guy. The last time they picked a guy like that I believe his name was Mike Jenkins, who hopefully will have his career saved by Ryan because we all know Campo cant. Point being not sure I want two of those guys on the roster.

Nobody ever said Jenkins was a bad guy or had off the field concerns. His weaknesses were that he wasn't physical and didn't have any sort of technique, which is what you might expect from an athletic freak from a small school.

 

[baj1dallas]

He isn't on another planet from Dez, but he is better then Julio. Much better actually.


Drafting Julio Jones over AJ green will be like 09 when Oakland took Heyward Bey(speed and size are comparable,along with production) over Crabtree and Maclin.

I'm sorry, but the combine hype has people going crazy. Julio may be a decent pro but AJ is going to be much better.

No way. Jones is going to be a probowl type player within a couple years. AJ might be slightly better, but not much unless Jones doesn't work hard.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Comparing Julio Jones to Heyward Bey is ridiculous. Julio Jones is no workout warrior, he had over 78 catches for over 1100+ yards last year in a run first offense that didn't force feed him the football. Jones and AJ Green are 1A and 1B. The difference between AJ Green and Julio Jones is basically the difference in what kind of player you want. If you want a sure handed possession WR, you go with Green. If you run a WCO and you want a dynamic run after the catch guy who can take a simple slant 70 yards to the house, you go with Jones.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like both of those players (Curtis Brown and A. Williams).

Curtis Brown is tremendously fluid and athletic. He has more than adequate speed for the CB position.

I don't know what happened with Aaron Williams but he looked incredibly bulked up at the combine than his days at UT. He does look like a prototypical safety IMO.

Wouldn't mind either of these guys as prospects.

I agree. Williams would be a nice option at Safety with above average coverage skills. He also might be a press CB in the NFL. His 40 times are deceiving. The official combine time for Williams is 4.55 but he actually ran a 4.44 and for whatever reason, ran his second time at 4.64. He's not a 4.3 guy but he's much faster then 4.64. Both of those guys might be decent players for us.

 

[TheCount]

If you run a WCO and you want a dynamic run after the catch guy who can take a simple slant 70 yards to the house, you go with Jones.

I can tell from this statement that you prefer Julio. :laugh2:

 

[Muhast]

K

Comparing Julio Jones to Heyward Bey is ridiculous. Julio Jones is no workout warrior, he had over 78 catches for over 1100+ yards last year in a run first offense that didn't force feed him the football. Jones and AJ Green are 1A and 1B. The difference between AJ Green and Julio Jones is basically the difference in what kind of player you want. If you want a sure handed possession WR, you go with Green. If you run a WCO and you want a dynamic run after the catch guy who can take a simple slant 70 yards to the house, you go with Jones.

Heard net was a biletnikoff finalist in college. He is around the same size and speed as Jones. People think heyward net was just fast but the guy was a stud in college

 

[realtick]

K

Heard net was a biletnikoff finalist in college. He is around the same size and speed as Jones. People think heyward net was just fast but the guy was a stud in college

People knew he had questionable hands and that he was an extremely raw receiver because Maryland ran him exclusively on slants and 9-routes. Ironically, it's the same criticism leveled at Torrey Smith right now.

His size/speed made him a top prospect who most projected would make him a late 1st rounder.

Being a Biletnikoff winner, let alone a finalist is hardly a surety of potential NFL success.

Troy Edwards, Bobby Engram*, Troy Walters, Mike Hass, just to name a few of recent history that have proven to be flops in the NFL (*Engram had a halfway decent career).

Perhaps Julio Jones turns out to be a bust. But saying he's just like Heyward-Bey is completely bogus because they are nothing alike as receivers. Simply pointing to a base-level similiarities like size/speed doesn't mean anything. The same argument could be made that Julio Jones is the next Andre Johnson based on his size/speed.

 

[Muhast]

People knew he had questionable hands and that he was an extremely raw receiver because Maryland ran him exclusively on slants and 9-routes. Ironically, it's the same criticism leveled at Torrey Smith right now.

His size/speed made him a top prospect who most projected would make him a late 1st rounder.

Being a Biletnikoff winner, let alone a finalist is hardly a surety of potential NFL success.

Troy Edwards, Bobby Engram*, Troy Walters, Mike Hass, just to name a few of recent history that have proven to be flops in the NFL (*Engram had a halfway decent career).

Perhaps Julio Jones turns out to be a bust. But saying he's just like Heyward-Bey is completely bogus because they are nothing alike as receivers. Simply pointing to a base-level similiarities like size/speed doesn't mean anything. The same argument could be made that Julio Jones is the next Andre Johnson based on his size/speed.

To me it makes sense if you account for it being pretty common knowledge prior to the combine that Crabtree and Maclin were better wr's than Heyward-Bey. Then Heyward Bey lit up the 40 at the combine and had pretty good college production and the scouts went off the athleticism instead of the game film.

All year long people said AJ Green was the best WR in this class. He missed 4 games and put up great stats with a true freshman QB where he was really the only guy and everybody doubled him and he still put up big numbers. Yet now after running a good 40 time and looking the part Julio is better? That is crazy to me. If you look at scouting reports on Julio Jones one of the big concerns is his ability to consistently catch the football. That along with the size/speed sounds pretty similar to Heyward-Bey to me.

http://www.mockdraftmania.com/20110228-2011-nfl-draft-julio-jones-scouting-report/
"What separates Green from Jones however is consistency and better hands. Jones had the tendency to drop seemingly easy catches while at Alabama, as well as allowing balls to come to his body rather than catching with his hands."

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2744
"One minor red flag is a propensity for dropped passes"

http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/wr/julio-jones.shtml
"Negatives: Inconsistent hands, drops some easy passes, has lapses in concentration... Doesn't always give his best effort, can disappear in games... "

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/julio-jones-scouting-report.html
Weaknesses:
Inconsistent hands"

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So outside of the combine the general consensus is he is a big fast wide reciever who can make big plays but struggles to catch consistently. Sounds quite a bit like Heyward-Bey to me.

 

[realtick]

To me it makes sense if you account for it being pretty common knowledge prior to the combine that Crabtree and Maclin were better wr's than Heyward-Bey. Then Heyward Bey lit up the 40 at the combine and had pretty good college production and the scouts went off the athleticism instead of the game film.

All year long people said AJ Green was the best WR in this class. He missed 4 games and put up great stats with a true freshman QB where he was really the only guy and everybody doubled him and he still put up big numbers. Yet now after running a good 40 time and looking the part Julio is better? That is crazy to me. If you look at scouting reports on Julio Jones one of the big concerns is his ability to consistently catch the football. That along with the size/speed sounds pretty similar to Heyward-Bey to me.

http://www.mockdraftmania.com/20110228-2011-nfl-draft-julio-jones-scouting-report/
"What separates Green from Jones however is consistency and better hands. Jones had the tendency to drop seemingly easy catches while at Alabama, as well as allowing balls to come to his body rather than catching with his hands."

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2744
"One minor red flag is a propensity for dropped passes"

http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/wr/julio-jones.shtml
"Negatives: Inconsistent hands, drops some easy passes, has lapses in concentration... Doesn't always give his best effort, can disappear in games... "

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/06/julio-jones-scouting-report.html
Weaknesses:
Inconsistent hands"

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So outside of the combine the general consensus is he is a big fast wide reciever who can make big plays but struggles to catch consistently. Sounds quite a bit like Heyward-Bey to me.

Crabtree and Maclin were considered better prospects than DHB. That's absolutely true. That's why it was to everyones surprise that he leap-frogged Crabtree to be taken in the Top 10. But then again, it was a surprise to nobody that the Raiders were dumb enough to take him that high.

Did you happen to watch either player (DHB or Julio Jones) in college much?

Jones had a much more distinguished career going back to his freshman year. In fact, Jones' freshman (58 for 924)year was way better than any one of DHB's three seasons (694, 786 and 609) at Maryland.

Despite the claims that they are roughly the same size (Jones is a full inch taller) and somewhat the same speed (DHB ran .9 seconds faster than Jones, which is significant), these guys simply don't even play alike.

Taking a cursory look at two players size and speed and concluding they are one in the same is silly. The fact that it's been said Jones has inconsistent hands is a criticism half the WRs are leveled every year. It's no more shocking than hearing the proverbial "needs to work on his route running."

BTW, Julio Jones running 4.3ish was a complete surprise. The fact that DHB tested well in 2009 was a shock to no one.

A.J. Green could very well be the better prospect, but calling Julio Jones another Heyward-Bey is way off base.

Julio Jones and A.J. Green have been the consensus two best WRs available in the draft. Green was expected to test out well and solidify his spot as the no. 1. He obviously didn't do that. Jones shocked a lot of people with his combine. Ergo, Jones' perceived rise in the draft.

 

[Muhast]

Crabtree and Maclin were considered better prospects than DHB. That's absolutely true. That's why it was to everyones surprise that he leap-frogged Crabtree to be taken in the Top 10. But then again, it was a surprise to nobody that the Raiders were dumb enough to take him that high.

Did you happen to watch either player (DHB or Julio Jones) in college much?

Jones had a much more distinguished career going back to his freshman year. In fact, Jones' freshman (58 for 924)year was way better than any one of DHB's three seasons (694, 786 and 609) at Maryland.

Despite the claims that they are roughly the same size (Jones is a full inch taller) and somewhat the same speed (DHB ran .9 seconds faster than Jones, which is significant), these guys simply don't even play alike.

Taking a cursory look at two players size and speed and concluding they are one in the same is silly. The fact that it's been said Jones has inconsistent hands is a criticism half the WRs are leveled every year. It's no more shocking than hearing the proverbial "needs to work on his route running."

BTW, Julio Jones running 4.3ish was a complete surprise. The fact that DHB tested well in 2009 was a shock to no one.

A.J. Green could very well be the better prospect, but calling Julio Jones another Heyward-Bey is way off base.

Julio Jones and A.J. Green have been the consensus two best WRs available in the draft. Green was expected to test out well and solidify his spot as the no. 1. He obviously didn't do that. Jones shocked a lot of people with his combine. Ergo, Jones' perceived rise in the draft.

Julio was listed at 6'4, but actually checked in at the combine at 6'2 (which is the exact same height as Heyward-Bey)

I live in SEC country and work at a job where I literally watched college football pretty much all day at work. I work at a sports store. We sell tons of Alabama/UGA stuff and I can tell you first hand that even the Alabama fans agree AJ is a much better WR than Jones. Jones is strong and fast, but can't catch consistantly. Green has incredible hands.

 

[realtick]

Julio was listed at 6'4, but actually checked in at the combine at 6'2 (which is the exact same height as Heyward-Bey)

I live in SEC country and work at a job where I literally watched college football pretty much all day at work. I work at a sports store. We sell tons of Alabama/UGA stuff and I can tell you first hand that even the Alabama fans agree AJ is a much better WR than Jones. Jones is strong and fast, but can't catch consistantly. Green has incredible hands.

No, DHB measured in at 6' 1 1/2".

Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR Maryland:6015 210 lbs 4.30 16 bench 38.5 vert. 10'6" 4.18 6.80 cone.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2009combine/2009-wide-receivers-nfl-combine-results.html

Julio Jones measured in at 6' 2 1/2".

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2011-nfl-combine-results-wide-receivers/

Jones is also 10 lbs heavier than DHB.

You keep mentioning how A.J. Green is better Julio Jones, but I'm not sure why you keep saying that. I've never argued he wasn't.

I've simply been saying implying that Julio Jones is comparable to DHB is off base. You know who also was similiar sized and had "inconsistent" hands? Dewayne Bowe.