Bush may not be #1 pick

[whcarm]

I am betting that the Texans won't take Bush. I also don't think they will be able to trade down this year because it is too expensive and not worth it.

I think the Texans will take Mario Williams.

Bush may be great, but there are too many things going against taking him.

1) He is a running back.

2) Running backs, even if they turn out great, don't last as long as other positions.

3) It is easier to find really good running backs later in the draft than it is to find really good defensive linemen. And remember, Kubiak is from Denver where they also find great running backs later in the draft.

4) Davis is not a bad running back. He has never averaged less than 3.9 yards per carry during his time in Houston. He is a nice receiver, he regularly gets well over 300 yards receiving. And he has managed to do this behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. Give him a better blocking line and he could excel.

5) I think Bush and his agent have gotten huge heads and will demand more than Williams.

6) I think the Texans are covering themselves. They know the consensus pick is Bush and they realize they aren't going to be able to trade the pick. So they are negotiating with both Bush and Williams and they will eventually pick Williams and blame Bush's high demands.

 

[Doomsday101]

Let's just say he last until the 4th and we got the 4th... Do we draft him or trade out of the pick or draft him and trade him?

Hard question those who think highly of Bush see him as the next great RB should he be the next Barry Sanders then clearly he was more than worth it. I know this could be said about any of the picks in the draft any of them could turn out to be the next great at their position. My point was great RB are still important in the NFL and yes I would use a high 1st rd pick on a RB.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am betting that the Texans won't take Bush. I also don't think they will be able to trade down this year because it is too expensive and not worth it.

I think the Texans will take Mario Williams.

Bush may be great, but there are too many things going against taking him.

1) He is a running back.

2) Running backs, even if they turn out great, don't last as long as other positions.

3) It is easier to find really good running backs later in the draft than it is to find really good defensive linemen. And remember, Kubiak is from Denver where they also find great running backs later in the draft.

4) Davis is not a bad running back. He has never averaged less than 3.9 yards per carry during his time in Houston. He is a nice receiver, he regularly gets well over 300 yards receiving. And he has managed to do this behind one of the worst offensive lines in football. Give him a better blocking line and he could excel.

5) I think Bush and his agent have gotten huge heads and will demand more than Williams.

6) I think the Texans are covering themselves. They know the consensus pick is Bush and they realize they aren't going to be able to trade the pick. So they are negotiating with both Bush and Williams and they will eventually

pick Williams and blame Bush's high demands.

I think Texans take Bush and all this talk and rumors are nothing more than the Texans checking to see what teams may be willing to give them for the overall #1.

 

[Pokes28]

This is trying to get leverage on two fronts. One to see if another team will pay to move up. If so, this is a no brainer. The Texans do it. Nobody will however.

The thought that the Texans will take somebody else isn't likely. They are doing all they can to try and get a deal done before the draft. By negotiating with two potential picks, they can try to keep the cost down a bit.

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[peplaw06]

But the Texans already have this in place. I would never say that a RB is not vital in any championship team. Having said that, weight the financial burden, if you will, of taking a RB with the first overall pick in the draft against a DE who could be the next Reggie White or an OT who could be the next Munoz, especially when you already have a top 10 NFL RB on the roster. It just doesn't make sense to me.

Not to be picky, but who's the Texans top 10 RB??

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Not to be picky, but who's the Texans top 10 RB??

I am refering to Domanick Davis. Before you run off in a twist here, I know he did not finish in the top 10 in rushing stats last year. However, he is more then just a capable RB. In three years he has 3195 yards rushing, 4.1 Yards per carry and 23 TDs. Take his numbers over the last three seasons and compare then with other RBs in the league and he actually grades out. Imagine if he was playing in a good offense?

 

[Chuck 54]

Sure -- but you generally don't get a great deal -- especially when the other team knows you are going to get the guy you really want anyway.

If you are sitting at #1, you don't get as good a deal for moving down 1 spot as you'd get for moving down 2 spots, but you get something and still get the top player in the draft.

You make the move because you get something, you still get your guy, and he's costs less than he would have at #1.

The team that moves up from #2 to #1, gives up a little to make sure they get the guy they wanted, especially if they didn't want your guy, but they were afraid #3 would move up to #1 to get ahead of them to get the guy they both want....then they'd be stuck taking the guy you wanted, whom they didn't want, or taking the #2 guy they wanted because the #1 guy they wanted behind the #1 guy you wanted just went to the team that wanted the same guy you wanted, the same team who moved up to #1 to get ahead of you for that very reason.

Is that clear?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Williams is a much better player than most fans realize. Everyone recognizes Bush, of course, but Williams is a monster at the position, (DE), that teams generally covet.

I don't for one second, think the Texans are bluffing when it comes to considering Williams. The Texans defense was atrocious and Williams is a franchise defensive player.

He actually makes more sense than Bush for the Texans, but the fan base will scream if they pass on Bush and VY, so Bush will probably be the pick.

 

[Zaxor]

Williams is a much better player than most fans realize. Everyone recognizes Bush, of course, but Williams is a monster at the position, (DE), that teams generally covet.

I don't for one second, think the Texans are bluffing when it comes to considering Williams. The Texans defense was atrocious and Williams is a franchise defensive player.

He actually makes more sense than Bush for the Texans, but the fan base will scream if they pass on Bush and VY, so Bush will probably be the pick.

I agree...I think Williams or Brick make better sense those are two anchors one on offense and one on defense...but they really need one of them...they really don't NEED Bush

 

[Cowchips]

Sure -- but you generally don't get a great deal -- especially when the other team knows you are going to get the guy you really want anyway.

Here's an interesting wrinkle. What if Bush pulls an Eli Manning and refuses to sign with Houston? What a revolting development that would be for Houston

Also, taking a RB with the 1st pick is not without precedent. Bo Jackson, OJ Simpson, Earl Campbell were all #1's that went on HOF careers.

 

[Verdict]

Well, if you "have a feeling", I'm convinced.

And why would anyone trade up to one knowing full well that the Texans would take bush at #1 or #2 (in your scenario). Either way, the player they want is available.

At first blush there is no reason to trade up one spot (in this scenario, 2 to 1) when the team above you is not going to select the player you want. However, things like this happen, because a team that is behind you might leapfrog you if you dont. I'm not predicting it will happen, but this draft could get interesting in the top 4 or 5 picks.

It takes one heck of a running back to go number one overall. I'm not sure Reggie Bush is that guy. The talking heads all predict Bush will go number one overall. They are usually wrong, so it might not happen. LOL