By the Dollar Signs: Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys

[DallasEast]

The best hope for the kind of change most fans want we’d need to revert to the Campo years. That might bring in a more proven HC like with Bill but Jerry still wouldn’t step away and why it’s a futile effort now without taking the effort at the gate.

I somewhat disagree. It has been long suggested Jones brought in Parcells to get the new stadium built. The stadium exists now. You are applying a different variable while suggesting the same previous end result (e.g. bringing in a coach like Parcells).

In my opinion, corporate purchasing of tickets and the secondary ticket reseller market are two of Jones' best assets for maintaining stadium revenue integrity. Jones' best personal business strength is selling. He will continue hawking seats to corporate partners and acquaintances. And as I have said previously, current owners of previously purchased tickets will not eat their investments to spite Jones. They resell their tickets attempting to recoup the money spent on tickets or they will use them.

 

[Diehardblues]

What owners lost their franchises due to the conditions you specified? Even Modell did not lose his franchise.
I understand the hindsight but Jones did not lose his lawsuit.

I didn’t say lose their franchises . I said move.

 

[Diehardblues]

I somewhat disagree. It has been long suggested Jones brought in Parcells to get the new stadium built. The stadium exists now. You are applying a different variable while suggesting the same previous end result (e.g. bringing in a coach like Parcells).

In my opinion, corporate purchasing of tickets and the secondary ticket reseller market are two of Jones' best assets for maintaining stadium revenue integrity. Jones' best personal business strength is selling. He will continue hawking seats to corporate partners and acquaintances. And as I have said previously, current owners of previously purchased tickets will not eat their investments to spite Jones. They resell their tickets attempting to recoup the money spent on tickets or they will use them.

I agree about the stadium and why I said near impossible now but I still maintain is best option.

Bringing Parcells In was two part but in itself one in the same. To resurrect the team and build confidence and support for new stadium which went hand in hand.

 

[DallasEast]

I didn’t say lose their franchises . I said move.

You are correct. Modell was nearly bankrupt and moved his franchise to Baltimore to rebound financially. I am assuming you are correlating Modell's actual pre-move situation to what you see was Jones' perceived situation that would have hypothetically forced his hand? And possibly move the franchise from the Dallas Metroplex?

 

[Diehardblues]

You are correct. Modell was nearly bankrupt and moved his franchise to Baltimore to rebound financially. I am assuming you are correlating Modell's actual pre-move situation to what you see was Jones' perceived situation that would have hypothetically forced his hand? And possibly move the franchise from the Dallas Metroplex?

Jerry probably would have only considered moving if he didn’t receive support for a new stadium deal. It wouldn’t have been over any financial difficulties.

Now If he hadn’t had success early on and the Cowboys continued to lose money then he might have considered selling especially if the fans turned on him. It’s hard to say how it might have unfolded.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

I agree--except the 'physically capable' part. Like I said in another thread, it would not surprise me Jones would remain actively in control of football operations even if he were bedridden. It is a different matter for him if he were ever deemed mentally incompetent though.

The thread was never intended for those who see things as you do. It was mainly directed at those folks who remain defiant that they will never contribute to Jones' wealth while he remained in control. The entire notion is self-symbolic only since it is irrelevant if certain people do not attend home games, buy jerseys, etc. Jones is, as @CouchCoach would describe, bulletproof to efforts meaningless to himself.

Well, if it makes them feel better then I say, "fine, knock yourselves out" but Jerry will never even notice and, even if he did, he wouldn't care.

 

[Rockport]

Just a few numbers and a question.

A_________________

$840 million (2018) - Operating Revenue
+$100 million (2018) - Premium Seat Revenue
$150 million (2018) - Sponsorship Revenue
$200 million (2017) - Merchandising Revenue [Silver Star]
Tens of millions (2018) - Non Football Related AT&T Stadium Revenue

B__________________

$233 million (2017) - Legends Hospitality [Jones owns 1/3]

C__________________

$255 million (2018) - Shared Revenue Streams/Majority Major Television Network Deals
$645 million (Current) - Today's Oil Holdings/Market Value [Jones owns 84% of Comstock Resources | CRK-NYSE ]



Above are available published data of Jones' pocketbook. For decades, some peoples have stated they do not financially contribute to Jones' wealth and people other than themselves support Jones' stranglehold on his franchise. Other people have stated there are coercive methods of motivating Jones into lessening or relinquishing control over football operations.

Certainly, A and B above can be impacted somewhat by consumers' efforts, A more than B of course. Consumers would have far less direct influence over C.

Knowing all of the above, how much would any of the numbers in A and B need to decrease before Jones would realistically be motivated into removing himself as general manager?

Sources
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article215101760.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...most-valuable-sports-teams-2018/#23446ffc75d1
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/crk
https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2018/04/26/jerry-jones-oil-and-gas-firm-nears-deal-for.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtba...t-valuable-teams-at-4-8-billion/#b9d47cf243f8

You’re assuming he’s not motivated which just isn’t true. Forget the money because Jones has plenty. But even if money was his motivation don’t you think the more the Cowboys win the more money he makes? Come on man, it’s just common sense.

 

[DallasEast]

You’re assuming he’s not motivated which just isn’t true. Forget the money because Jones has plenty. But even if money was his motivation don’t you think the more the Cowboys win the more money he makes? Come on man, it’s just common sense.

You have assumed incorrectly. I believe Jones is motivated. While he is a narcissist, I believe he believes every action he has taken, is taking, and will take is in the best interest of the franchise to win championships.

My perspective does not reconcile with the prevailing view, which is that Jones is motivated primarily by either:

• Greed
• Not self-aware of the necessities required to run championship caliber football operations

I will get back to greed in a moment.

In my opinion, Jones is always self-aware of every decision he makes as the general manager of the franchise and every decision made by his front office that he supports. Additionally, I believe Jones associates every football related success (e.g. solid player acquisition, winning season, playoff berth, etc.) is contributable mostly or completely to his decision-making. Conversely, I believe Jones attributes every football related underachievement (e.g. sub-.500 season, poor roster addition, playoff loss, etc.) to gambles that do not pan out, improper coaching or player miscues, etc. It is and has almost always been my opinion Jones sincerely believes, without question, he is the best general manager for the Dallas Cowboys.

Jones' perspective can be quantified if one sees him as the narcissist that he is. On the other hand, Jones will continue baffling anyone who thinks he is simply greedy and does not see himself as highly football intelligent. Jones has had some people shaking their heads for 30 years because there is no other rational explanation for what motivates him. Jones looks to be in fairly good health, so it is reasonable to assume some people will continue being mystified by his inflexibility for some time to come.

Back to greed. My singular purpose for this thread was attracting any member, who both believes Jones is motivated by greed and can be manipulated by significant loss of revenue, to stop for a moment and explain three things:

1. Exactly how much loss of revenue they think would make Jones more flexible towards doing right by his franchise and its fans and
2. Exactly which source or sources of revenue they think could be reduced to a hypothetical low point that is never specified by anyone saying it is possible and
3. Exactly what strategy they think could be successful employed in the real world in making it happen.

I created the thread in hopes of getting specifics that are never mentioned in tons of threads and posts on this site. The data was included for that reason also.

The thread was not about me believing Jones being realistically strong-armed into doing what he does not want to do via his bank account. Jones is a narcissist. The strategy would be a good discussion point if the thoughts inside Jones' skull were simply dollar signs and visions of being football coach. Jones' personality is and has always been more complicated that those simple concepts.

Nope. Jones is definitely the type of individual who can be motivated but influencing him has very little to do with money and a lot to do with his own self-perception of personal greatness. And even that fact can only be realized to a certain degree.

 

[Rockport]

You have assumed incorrectly. I believe Jones is motivated. While he is a narcissist, I believe he believes every action he has taken, is taking, and will take is in the best interest of the franchise to win championships.

My perspective does not reconcile with the prevailing view, which is that Jones is motivated primarily by either:

• Greed
• Not self-aware of the necessities required to run championship caliber football operations

I will get back to greed in a moment.

In my opinion, Jones is always self-aware of every decision he makes as the general manager of the franchise and every decision made by his front office that he supports. Additionally, I believe Jones associates every football related success (e.g. solid player acquisition, winning season, playoff berth, etc.) is contributable mostly or completely to his decision-making. Conversely, I believe Jones attributes every football related underachievement (e.g. sub-.500 season, poor roster addition, playoff loss, etc.) to gambles that do not pan out, improper coaching or player miscues, etc. It is and has almost always been my opinion Jones sincerely believes, without question, he is the best general manager for the Dallas Cowboys.

Jones' perspective can be quantified if one sees him as the narcissist that he is. On the other hand, Jones will continue baffling anyone who thinks he is simply greedy and does not see himself as highly football intelligent. Jones has had some people shaking their heads for 30 years because there is no other rational explanation for what motivates him. Jones looks to be in fairly good health, so it is reasonable to assume some people will continue being mystified by his inflexibility for some time to come.

Back to greed. My singular purpose for this thread was attracting any member, who both believes Jones is motivated by greed and can be manipulated by significant loss of revenue, to stop for a moment and explain three things:

1. Exactly how much loss of revenue they think would make Jones more flexible towards doing right by his franchise and its fans and
2. Exactly which source or sources of revenue they think could be reduced to a hypothetical low point that is never specified by anyone saying it is possible and
3. Exactly what strategy they think could be successful employed in the real world in making it happen.

I created the thread in hopes of getting specifics that are never mentioned in tons of threads and posts on this site. The data was included for that reason also.

The thread was not about me believing Jones being realistically strong-armed into doing what he does not want to do via his bank account. Jones is a narcissist. The strategy would be a good discussion point if the thoughts inside Jones' skull were simply dollar signs and visions of being football coach. Jones' personality is and has always been more complicated that those simple concepts.

Nope. Jones is definitely the type of individual who can be motivated but influencing him has very little to do with money and a lot to do with his own self-perception of personal greatness. And even that fact can only be realized to a certain degree.

I’ve read you post several times and to be honest really have no clue what you are trying to say. My only point is that Jones wants to win first. Making money comes second.

 

[DallasEast]

I’ve read you post several times and to be honest really have no clue what you are trying to say. My only point is that Jones wants to win first. Making money comes second.

My bad. I am longwinded. I should have stopped at "You have assumed incorrectly."

 

[Rockport]

My bad. I am longwinded. I should have stopped at "You have assumed incorrectly."

Yes. And I didn’t assume anything.

 

[DallasEast]

Yes. And I didn’t assume anything.

You previously stated:

You’re assuming he’s not motivated which just isn’t true. Forget the money because Jones has plenty. But even if money was his motivation don’t you think the more the Cowboys win the more money he makes? Come on man, it’s just common sense.

I have never assumed Jones' motivation was driven by greed alone. Other people have assumed the fallacy. That was the purpose of the thread--to spark discussion about the mistaken belief. Perhaps there is a different word or phrase to describe an incorrect conclusion?

 

[Rockport]

You previously stated:I have never assumed Jones' motivation was driven by greed alone. Other people have assumed the fallacy. That was the purpose of the thread--to spark discussion about the mistaken belief. Perhaps there is a different word or phrase to describe an incorrect conclusion?

Yes you assumed, I didn’t

 

[DallasEast]

Yes you assumed, I didn’t

Are you saying I assumed the countless (almost literal) times members of this board have said Jones' motivation is driven by greed alone? No member has ever posted that? That cannot be true. Is it?

 

[Rockport]

Are you saying I assumed the countless (almost literal) times members of this board have said Jones' motivation is driven by greed alone? No member has ever posted that? That cannot be true. Is it?

You’re on a different wavelength than me. I was just talking about me. Is it shrooms or a pharmaceutical?

 

[DallasEast]

You’re on a different wavelength than me. I was just talking about me. Is it shrooms or a pharmaceutical?

Okay. Nice convo. Thanks.

 

[DandyDon52]

I started a discussion directed at those who always state as fact suggest Jones would step down as general manager if his income was negatively impacted. The numbers were posted in order for those saying it could happen would offer their insight into how any of Jones' revenue could be realistically minimized.

In Jones case, I disagree with "The GM and the clubs revenue has nothing to do with each other." Jones is President, Owner and General Manager of the franchise. Jones cares because he is both owner and general manager.

I have previously started a discussion about Jones shopping the franchise IF buyers were willing to pony up $15+ billion for it. Jones is on record for saying $10 billion would be his starting bid. I doubt he would part with it for that amount. That is another discussion that I personally believe has zero chance of ever happening.

On the other hand, I would say there is a 2% chance of a narcissist like Jones stepping down as general manager for financial reasons. It is that 2% that makes this thread a logical discourse of what if in my opinion.

Ok
1.we cant hurt jones financially, however you could get his attention and bug him to make moves or changes, if
there were 10-20,000 empty seats at home games, along with a big drop in jersey etc sales.
2.Nothing would make Jerry give up being GM, even if the stadium was half empty at home games.
What he would do is make a couple of big FA signings make some coaching changes, and sales would be back up,
and stadium full again.
3. you could embarrass Jerry, and that would be more effective than something financial, many way to do that,
but it would take an organized effort, and fans are not organized, so that wont happen.
4.best case scenario is Jerry or Stephen etc do or say something that is not PC and are forced to sell the team,
That could happen, but probably wont.
5. We are just stuck with the Arkansas Hillbilly, and his family. After Jerry is gone, assuming he doesnt get a bionic body
and live another 100 years, we just get another Jones running the circus, and no telling what that will be like.