Byron Jones odd man out?

[CouchCoach]

I keep seeing that he gets picked as the one they do not keep out of the players to be re-signed, by most here, and some seem to be pretty casual about it. Like good CB's are easy to find.

So, I wonder what they've seen that I haven't seen? Is he not our best CB and DB? He doesn't have picks but not every good CB or DB does, especially when he's playing man coverage.

I would think that in a pass happy league where our DL has been mediocre in the pass rush, that a high quality CB would be a necessity. I have not seen Awuzie, Brown or Lewis emerge as good as Jones so my question is what do they do if they do not re-sign Jones?

If it comes down to a choice between the best athlete on the D and the best on the O, Elliott, for about the same amount of cap, I gotta go with the CB.

If we're using that cat in NE as the measuring stick, look at his CB's, both in the top 6 according to PFF. And the Cowboys have #5. What's more important in today's NFL? A top 5 CB or RB? I think I know how that cat in NE would answer that.

Of course, they could keep both but that's really pushing that too much to too few situation to the brink.

 

[glimmerman]

Will be interesting to see if we draft a corner fairly early. They could tag him if needed next year.

 

[lukin2006]

So we finally have a corner that is pretty good and he's the odd man out...lol. Who is replacing him? This team has a few jags, replace heath with a rookie, cut Gathers and replace, cut Crawford...etc..lets dump the jags and replace with lower income players and keep Jones...who also stays healthy.

As glad as I am that Dlaw signed, if there was is to be the odd man out...it should have been him. I am still cheesed that he put off surgery when anyone with 1/2 a brain knows Jones would not bail on him...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He could be the odd man out Coach. I think that it would be dumb to do that but that could be the case. I personally think it's really, really tough to find a cover corner who can match up with any type of WR and actually play them man to man all over the field. That's really, really hard to find.

I could be way off here but honestly, I think it might end up being Zeke. I think he plays out his contract and then I think the team probably offers him a short deal or plays him on the tag, which is cheap in comparison to a lot of other positions.

JMO

 

[cern]

hope he stays. good player. good guy. after carr, scando, Jenkins, et. al., you'd think we'd be happy to have a pro bowl cb.

 

[Wood]

I keep seeing that he gets picked as the one they do not keep out of the players to be re-signed, by most here, and some seem to be pretty casual about it. Like good CB's are easy to find.

So, I wonder what they've seen that I haven't seen? Is he not our best CB and DB? He doesn't have picks but not every good CB or DB does, especially when he's playing man coverage.

I would think that in a pass happy league where our DL has been mediocre in the pass rush, that a high quality CB would be a necessity. I have not seen Awuzie, Brown or Lewis emerge as good as Jones so my question is what do they do if they do not re-sign Jones?

If it comes down to a choice between the best athlete on the D and the best on the O, Elliott, for about the same amount of cap, I gotta go with the CB.

If we're using that cat in NE as the measuring stick, look at his CB's, both in the top 6 according to PFF. And the Cowboys have #5. What's more important in today's NFL? A top 5 CB or RB? I think I know how that cat in NE would answer that.

Of course, they could keep both but that's really pushing that too much to too few situation to the brink.

creates zero turnovers. Will ask for top money. There is misconception that he doesn't get throw at and thats why he doesnt get picks but data doesnt back that up. He was targeted 96 times and came away with zero interceptions. He is good cover guy but DC want turnover guys. He is expendable.

 

[Whyjerry]

Blame Dallas for wasting this guy's first few seasons at S. Just more "position flex" nonsense. In a league where you need at least 3 quality CBs it makes perfect sense that the Cowboys would allow their best CB to leave. Classic Jerry. Zeke should be the odd man out. Not because he isn't great, but because the RB position is MUCH less critical than CB.

That rant aside, I think Jones could stay. Not a done deal that he will be gone by any account.

 

[mattjames2010]

creates zero turnovers. Will ask for top money. There is misconception that he doesn't get throw at and thats why he doesnt get picks but data doesnt back that up. He was targeted 96 times and came away with zero interceptions. He is good cover guy but DC want turnover guys. He is expendable.

Data never shows no CB gets thrown at, he didn't get thrown at often and when he did, the QB didn't have success.

You get most CBs in this league really only average about 1 or 2 INTs a season anyways, right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Blame Dallas for wasting this guy's first few seasons at S. Just more "position flex" nonsense. In a league where you need at least 3 quality CBs it makes perfect sense that the Cowboys would allow their best CB to leave. Classic Jerry. Zeke should be the odd man out. Not because he isn't great, but because the RB position is MUCH less critical than CB.

That rant aside, I think Jones could stay. Not a done deal that he will be gone by any account.

Nothing to do with his position switch. The guy wasn't as good of a player as he is now. The position switch may be even made him a better corner? Who knows. But Byron played corner earlier in his career and he wasn't the player he is today.

 

[ItzKelz]

We will not be able to keep everyone. Whether it be Byron or Zeke or whoever there will come a time that we have to get rid of in one way or another.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

creates zero turnovers. Will ask for top money. There is misconception that he doesn't get throw at and thats why he doesnt get picks but data doesnt back that up. He was targeted 96 times and came away with zero interceptions. He is good cover guy but DC want turnover guys. He is expendable.

How many "turnovers" should he get?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We will not be able to keep everyone. Whether it be Byron or Zeke or whoever there will come a time that we have to get rid of in one way or another.

We won't be able to keep everyone but I do find it funny that people think we can only keep 4 or 5 of them. IMO, we should be looking at some other guys who may need to be replaced. We have too much money invested in the offensive line. Some cap relief needs to go there before we think about letting Zeke or Byron go.

 

[cern]

Nothing to do with his position switch. The guy wasn't as good of a player as he is now. The position switch may be even made him a better corner? Who knows. But Byron played corner earlier in his career and he wasn't the player he is today.

he didn't play for Kris Richard. can't overstate the value of excellent coaching. d-backs and lb's looking good. d-line, Marinelli's responsibility, not so much.

 

[exciter]

I keep seeing that he gets picked as the one they do not keep out of the players to be re-signed, by most here, and some seem to be pretty casual about it. Like good CB's are easy to find.

So, I wonder what they've seen that I haven't seen? Is he not our best CB and DB? He doesn't have picks but not every good CB or DB does, especially when he's playing man coverage.

I would think that in a pass happy league where our DL has been mediocre in the pass rush, that a high quality CB would be a necessity. I have not seen Awuzie, Brown or Lewis emerge as good as Jones so my question is what do they do if they do not re-sign Jones?

If it comes down to a choice between the best athlete on the D and the best on the O, Elliott, for about the same amount of cap, I gotta go with the CB.

If we're using that cat in NE as the measuring stick, look at his CB's, both in the top 6 according to PFF. And the Cowboys have #5. What's more important in today's NFL? A top 5 CB or RB? I think I know how that cat in NE would answer that.

Of course, they could keep both but that's really pushing that too much to too few situation to the brink.

Last fall Stephen was quoted by one of the staff writers as saying Jones would be a priority resign along with Lawrence. That was a couple of weeks before the Cooper trade. Until something concrete comes out saying otherwise I'm putting the idea of letting Jones walk as fan speculation or hopefulness. Only think they'll be able to sign one of Jones or Awuzie and they are more likely taking another year to decide on which one!

 

[gmoney112]

They can sign him if they want. And Cooper, who's a given. And Dak.

One of his biggest strengths is availability. He's on something like 50+ straight games started. Elite athlete, these guys usually play well into their 30s.

I like Byron, but it does get interesting if Awuzie (who I was a big fan of in the draft), steps up to the next level. Because he'll be a FA in 2 seasons.

For me, that's a good problem to have. Most people that complain about $$ don't understand what's going on, how teams use it, and the trends starting. We'll likely be over $100million under next year.

I wouldn't have a problem paying two CBs if they're worth it, it gives you valuable draft picks to spend on other positions, like DL, where you can have a deep rotation full of young talent, or OL, etc.

Anywho, it's going to be a big year for Byron. He played well considering he moved to man up on some of the best WRs in the league after starting safety for two years. He's gotta earn it, but provided he does, he's a good dude and the cap is fine. It's not going to come down to Zeke or Byron.

 

[Tussinman]

Cowboy fans: "He's leaning towards 1st round bust, waste of a pick/talent"

2018: *Plays correct position and goes 2nd team All-Pro

Cowboys fans: "He's playing too good he'll want too much money"

Which is it ? You guys cry when he's a JAG at safety but now that he's playing top 10 level at corner your crying that he'll want top 10 money.........

You 100% keep him. Him and Zach Martin are the two safest players on the roster (limited to no injury history, no drama, high IQ, elite worth ethic)

Lock up a corner slot and the other two slots can be Kris coaching up a cheaper veteran or young draft pick

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Data never shows no CB gets thrown at, he didn't get thrown at often and when he did, the QB didn't have success.

You get most CBs in this league really only average about 1 or 2 INTs a season anyways, right?

As Landry said "You get interceptions by being out of position" In other words, if you're covering properly quarterbacks won't throw at you. Mel Renfro had like 20 passes thrown at him one whole 14 game season, because it wouldn't be completed or would get few yards. If Jones has good coverage then he's not taking chances on ints but rather limiting big plays, and that's not a bad thing....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

he didn't play for Kris Richard. can't overstate the value of excellent coaching. d-backs and lb's looking good. d-line, Marinelli's responsibility, not so much.

That as well. Kris Richard may have resurrected his career.

 

[Proof]

Nothing to do with his position switch. The guy wasn't as good of a player as he is now. The position switch may be even made him a better corner? Who knows. But Byron played corner earlier in his career and he wasn't the player he is today.

Right. It’s just the fact that his stellar year came late in his contract and has the unfortunate side effect of probably pricing him out since it was at cb and not safety. One yr of great cb play puts his market at a pretty steep number and I’d imagine they feel like Richard had a lot to do with his improvement and push come to shove could do similar with the next guy.

Don’t want to lose him but understand why it would be him if it is

 

[ItzKelz]

We won't be able to keep everyone but I do find it funny that people think we can only keep 4 or 5 of them. IMO, we should be looking at some other guys who may need to be replaced. We have too much money invested in the offensive line. Some cap relief needs to go there before we think about letting Zeke or Byron go.

However, they decide to spend their money is how they decide to spend it. With that said if we are going to pay Dak 30 mil we need to continue to invest in the OL.