Calling all Romo Fanz...

[Fletch]

Henson's NFLE stats were compiled against minor league football players trying to make it to the NFL. They are not eye-popping by any means.

Romo definitely has a leg up.

 

[superpunk]

Romo definitely has a leg up.

Based on what - exactly? The fact that he held kicks last year?

 

[SultanOfSix]

Based on what - exactly? The fact that he held kicks last year?

Maybe he's climbing the stairs.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Based on what - exactly? The fact that he held kicks last year?

I would hazard to guess that it is based on the idea that Romo is the 2nd string QB while Henson is not.

There...now I will curse your private area with a thousand fleas from a camel for getting me involved in these lame backup qb threads.

 

[pancakeman]

He's playing against 99% talent that can't play in NFL there. And at the end of the day its not a great sign he was allocated there. Spin away

Okay here I go.

He's playing against low talent, he's also playing ALONGSIDE low talent (o-line, receivers, etc.)

Wheeee:starspin :starspin :starspin

 

[Doomsday101]

Thankfully they will battle it out on the field instead of this board. I hope to see both step up and do well and who ever wins the job that is just the way it is.

 

[superpunk]

I would hazard to guess that it is based on the idea that Romo is the 2nd string QB while Henson is not.

There...now I will curse your private area with a thousand fleas from a camel for getting me involved in these lame backup qb threads.

My guess is that doesn't matter.

After all, Henson was the 2nd string going into 05, no?

 

[DLCassidy]

There's only one guy whose opinion of those stats matters and he seems to be underwhelmed.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

My guess is that doesn't matter.

After all, Henson was the 2nd string going into 05, no?

Yes...I think I see. :laugh1:

 

[superpunk]

Yes...I think I see.

So...there's just as good a chance that in a few weeks we'll be saying Romo WAS the backup QB going into 06 - right? After all, nothing of any substance has gone down - yet.

I've got two dogs in the fight, I could care less who wins. I just don't see what feats of marvel Romo has accomplished to give him such a leg up.

 

[Jarv]

Well most of got to see Henson play in NFLE, I thought he did quite well, but that has been put off because of low level of talent and what BP has mysteriously not seen from him ??

From BP's comments we will see a lot of Romo in pre-season. Hopefully enough to make a judgement.

My question is will we be able to see Henson play aginst (What most call here) better competition in the pre-season ? So we can compare apples to apples ?

From the sounds of it the answer is no. I guess we'll know in a few more weeks. If he doesn't play Henson in pre-season, then he may as well just cut him. Makes no sense to me what he is up to ?

The media comments I have read have mostly been about BP comments and not Henson's actual performance. They all claim the same, we don't see practices so we don't know. BP must see something.


I thought Henson did well last Summer, the announcers praised him and even made comments like "Look at this BP".

At least TC practices are open to the public and press, it will be interesting what they report.

I just have to wonder on what BP saw that he didn't like ? Any ideas out there ?

 

[Doomsday101]

Well most of got to see Henson play in NFLE, I thought he did quite well, but that has been put off because of low level of talent and what BP has mysteriously not seen from him ??

From BP's comments we will see a lot of Romo in pre-season. Hopefully enough to make a judgement.

My question is will we be able to see Henson play aginst (What most call here) better competition in the pre-season ? So we can compare apples to apples ?

From the sounds of it the answer is no. I guess we'll know in a few more weeks. If he doesn't play Henson in pre-season, then he may as well just cut him. Makes no sense to me what he is up to ?

The media comments I have read have mostly been about BP comments and not Henson's actual performance. They all claim the same, we don't see practices so we don't know. BP must see something.


I thought Henson did well last Summer, the announcers praised him and even made comments like "Look at this BP".

At least TC practices are open to the public and press, it will be interesting what they report.

I just have to wonder on what BP saw that he didn't like ? Any ideas out there ?

I don't think Bill is against Henson and I think people will interpret what Bill says they way they choose. I think it is up to Henson and Romo to go out there and make things happen be it at training camp or in pre-season games. I'm not going to say the snaps will be 50/50 but as I have mentioned before what ever snaps a guy gets he need to make the most of each opportunity he gets. In the end I think Bill will go with the guy he feels can best help this team if called on. I say good luck to both guys, make us proud

 

[followthestar]

don't ask me why - its just a gut feeling that Romo can get it done, once he gets an opportunity. not saying he'll be great, just that he can play at this level, whether as a lifetime backup or whatever. we'll see soon enough.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think even if Henson plays at the tail end of preseason games this year it will be against better competition than NFLE. Especially later in preseason once initial cutdowns are made. If you've got a 63 men at camp after the first cut down and 53 make the team, even late in the 4th quarter you're facing guys who by and large will make an NFL roster. Only about 5-10% of NFLE players will ever see a NFL regular season roster. The defensive backs Henson was facing in NFLE couldn't hold Tony Dixon's or Dewayne Goodrich's jock.

 

[Jarv]

I don't think Bill is against Henson and I think people will interpret what Bill says they way they choose. I think it is up to Henson and Romo to go out there and make things happen be it at training camp or in pre-season games. I'm not going to say the snaps will be 50/50 but as I have mentioned before what ever snaps a guy gets he need to make the most of each opportunity he gets. In the end I think Bill will go with the guy he feels can best help this team if called on. I say good luck to both guys, make us proud

I agree with you, I'm just curious if they both will be given equal opportunities.

I had stated earlier this year that I thought it was a mistake for Romo not to go to NFLE, well maybe I was wrong. The fact he didn't get playing time there, BP may make up for the fact now by giving him the majority of the backup time now, leave the 4th quarter mop up for Henson and Mroz.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So...there's just as good a chance that in a few weeks we'll be saying Romo WAS the backup QB going into 06 - right? After all, nothing of any substance has gone down - yet.

I've got two dogs in the fight, I could care less who wins. I just don't see what feats of marvel Romo has accomplished to give him such a leg up.

At this point I agree...neither has done any feats of marvel.

With that said, Romo seems to clearly be the #2 guy and I personally doubt that changes in respects to henson.

 

[CowboyManDan]

He's playing against low talent, he's also playing ALONGSIDE low talent (o-line, receivers, etc.)

That's a good point.

I'm interested to see/hear what the new face, Chris Palmer, thinks of the two of them once we get into TC. Payton seemed to like Romo, but it's hard to think that their college ties didn't play a small role in that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

60% is the bench mark... saying he wouldve had 60% if guys caught his passes doesnt fly!!! the 60% everyone talks about as a bench mark for QBs includes Drops, throw aways, tips, Clocks and fluke pass plays!!! a good QB hits those NUMBERS regardless!!!


thats why guys like PEYTON can hit 70% to 80% in a game, NP!!!

woulda coulda shoulda... but he didnt hit 60%!!! thats like saying he wouldve had a 70% completion if the coach call more dump offs!!! or if you take away his DEEP PASSES he would have hit the mark...

its a poor excuse and its the same excuse we used to hear from Q fans!!!

hey even Chad Hutchinson would had 60% if he didnt fumble the ball before he had a chance to throw it!!!


Romo is the better QB (with or without drops) and all I have to say is wait and see!!!

Couple of points here. Pro Coaching staffs don't evaluate on passes caught or completion percentage when evaluating QBs. They chart throws and evaluate on velocity, location, progressions etc. I suspect that even in NFL Europe, QBs are evaluated in this manner. If the ball is there, then a catch or a drop is irrelivant. If the QB read the defense properly, threw on time and threw to the right location, then that's what counts and that is how they will be evaluated. This whole line of tripe on woulda, coulda, shoulda is pointless. 60%, 80%, whatever. For example, if a QB is consistantly dumping off to the back rather then going to the primary receivers down field, the pattern specifies, then he's likely going to have a very high completion %. Doesn't mean he's doing a good job. I'm not saying this is the case with Henson, per say. All I'm saying is that basing anything conclusive of completion percentages is a mistake. Same can be said for TD to INT ratio. If a guy isn't throwing downfield and just playing it safe, his TD to INT ratio could be very good but he may not be working within the frame work of what the offense is asking of the position. All things are not as clear as stats in this case.

 

[JackMagist]

...And who says that 60% is a benchmark? Better yet, why 60 and not 62, or 70? That's a B.S. figure, much like alot of the other stuff "experts" put out. Most of that stuff is born of the betting world...people who try and get rich. By virtue of all the gamblers turned millionaires, I can see the validity.

60% is not a magic number but it is a number that most of the top QB will beat on a consistent basis. It doesn't have to be 60% but that is a nice round number that historically has been the breaking point between an average and a good (to great) QB. It is not a figure born of gamblers (though they put stock in it as they should); it is a figure born of historic production by top flight quarterbacks. BTW I did mention earlier that Henson had a lot of dropped balls which may or may not have put him over that number.

Henson, at the very least, now has what anyone has to consider a pretty big advantage over Romo experience wise. NFLE is not like pre-season NFL in most regards. Most NFLE has some exposure to NFL camps...pre-season NFL may not (could face ALOT of rooks). Not saying Henson is the answer, but I sure don't buy that Romo is either! I have at least seen Henson do more than chip golf balls. I think it has been documented more than once how Romo reminds Parcells of "a kid I grew up with in Jersey". I sure hope there's more than that to him, but anyone who says otherwise is just speculating because he has done NOTHING yet.

In the entire NFLE there are between 60 and 70 players allocated by the NFL out of around 500. About half of them are NFL washouts like Willie Blade or someone. Then there are maybe another 50 or so who are NFL washouts trying for a second chance. That leaves around 350 to 400 players who have not seen an NFL camp. Except for the occasional third stringer like Henson trying to get PT there are few real talents over there.

In NFL pre-season there are first and second stringers and top rookie draft picks playing in the first half of most games. And then players who are maybe going to make the team as ST players and backups playing in the third quarter. Only when you get down to the fourth quarter do you get down to the NFLE level and even then they are probably better. So to say that NFLE is like pre-season is pure nonsense.

As for Henson having a leg up on Romo because he played 9 games in Europe that is ridiculous. Certainly he gained some ground by going over there but he had a lot of ground to make up. In College Henson had played in only 27 total games and all but 8 of them were in relief of Tom Brady and many of them were 4th quarter mop-up duty. Romo had been a three year starter in college and had put up some big time numbers while doing it.

As for there being more to Romo than reminding Parcells of "a kid I grew up with in Jersey". I should think that his winning of the Walter Payton Award (his college division's equivalent of the Heisman) and the numbers he put up in his senior year say that there is more to him than that.

Did Henson gain enough ground to make up the difference and overtake Romo? We will see within a couple of months.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with you, I'm just curious if they both will be given equal opportunities.

I had stated earlier this year that I thought it was a mistake for Romo not to go to NFLE, well maybe I was wrong. The fact he didn't get playing time there, BP may make up for the fact now by giving him the majority of the backup time now, leave the 4th quarter mop up for Henson and Mroz.

As I said I don't know if it will be 50/50 or not but what I do know is for any player it is up to them in camp to catch the coaches eye, give him a reason to put you in the game and to give you more snaps. If Bill sees a guy having a good camp he will make sure that player gets some time during the games. One thing I understand about sports is fair takes place in little league where all kids get a chance to play once you get to high school, college and pros it is not always so called fair so you make the most of the oppertunity that comes your way.