Calvin Hill our first 1000 yard rusher

[RonnieT24]

DUH~~~~.....Pete Griffin the track coach, yep Gaiters his football coach, been a long time since I read RUN BULLET RUN...his book.

Hayes was only 22 in 1964 so all we were seeing is a college kid. If he could have stayed in the sport until 1968 (no way no $$$$$$) there is little doubt at 26ish he is beating Jim Hines in about 9.85ish, Hines ran 9.95.

You mentioned Borzov in another post that I meant to respond to.. He was indeed the 1972 Olympic champ but only because the two Americans who were favored managed to screw up their schedules and actually missed their heats.. Well actually I think it was the coach who screwed up the schedule but both were disqualified without ever getting a chance to compete for gold. Rey Robinson of Lakeland High School was one and I wanna say Eddie Hart was the other.. They had both run 9.9 in the US Trials and at least one of them was probably going to crush that Olympic field.. maybe they both would have. But I fully concur that Bob Hayes with another 4 years of track training and getting to run on modern surfaces (not cinders) was easily capable of sub 9.9 in the 100 meters. That 8.5 anchor split in the 4x100 in Tokyo is just stoopid. Such incredible top end speed.. and with what I would call average running form at best.

 

[RaZon]

You mentioned Borzov in another post that I meant to respond to.. He was indeed the 1972 Olympic champ but only because the two Americans who were favored managed to screw up their schedules and actually missed their heats.. Well actually I think it was the coach who screwed up the schedule but both were disqualified without ever getting a chance to compete for gold. Rey Robinson of Lakeland High School was one and I wanna say Eddie Hart was the other.. They had both run 9.9 in the US Trials and at least one of them was probably going to crush that Olympic field.. maybe they both would have. But I fully concur that Bob Hayes with another 4 years of track training and getting to run on modern surfaces (not cinders) was easily capable of sub 9.9 in the 100 meters. That 8.5 anchor split in the 4x100 in Tokyo is just stoopid. Such incredible top end speed.. and with what I would call average running form at best.

1971 World Rankings


1.............. Valeriy Borzov (Soviet Union)
2.. Jean-Louis Ravelomanantsoa (Mad)...came into the stadium carrying the Madagascar flag.......their only Olympic athlete. Went to Westmont.
3..................................... Jim Green (US)
4......................... Don Quarrie (Jamaica)
5...................... Lennox Miller (Jamaica)
6............................. Del Meriwether (US)******
7........................... Pablo Montes (Cuba)
8.... Gerhard Wucherer (West Germany)
9....................... Hermes Ramírez (Cuba)
10.............................. Willie McGee (US.........Charger WR to be

Borzov was the top sprinter in the world in 71 and 72, as you can see Rey Robinson and Eddie Hart not there. No way they would have beat Borzov in 72.

The 70's were a low tide for USA sprinting.

***** Dude Is watching a track meet on tv he is 26 years old and never ran track. But is thinking I can beat those guys, a year later he wins our USA Nationals in the 100 in a 9.0w.

Yep, schooling at Duke to be a Doctor

 

[RonnieT24]

1971 World Rankings


1.............. Valeriy Borzov (Soviet Union)
2.. Jean-Louis Ravelomanantsoa (Mad)...came into the stadium carrying the Madagascar flag.......their only Olympic athlete. Went to Westmont.
3..................................... Jim Green (US)
4......................... Don Quarrie (Jamaica)
5...................... Lennox Miller (Jamaica)
6............................. Del Meriwether (US)******
7........................... Pablo Montes (Cuba)
8.... Gerhard Wucherer (West Germany)
9....................... Hermes Ramírez (Cuba)
10.............................. Willie McGee (US.........Charger WR to be

Borzov was the top sprinter in the world in 71 and 72, as you can see Rey Robinson and Eddie Hart not there. No way they would have beat Borzov in 72.

The 70's were a low tide for USA sprinting.

***** Dude Is watching a track meet on tv he is 26 years old and never ran track. But is thinking I can beat those guys, a year later he wins our USA Nationals in the 100 in a 9.0w.

Yep, schooling at Duke to be a Doctor

Sorry but as you pointed out yourself.. Until the late 70's the US only ran meters in Olympic years. Therefore the exploits of Hart and Robinson probably never showed up on any "World Leader" lists. Go look up the results of the US Trials in 1972... tell me what you see.. Both were a 2 tenths of second faster than Borzov ever ran.. but never got the opportunity to show it at the Olympics.. And Meriwether, while a great story, never qualified for the Olympic team. Injuries took him out both in '72 and in '76.

 

[shabazz]

You're a 49ers fan, stop with the acting.

……he sure did act defensive when I insulted Ricky Waters and Merton “chicken neck” Hanks. Lol

 

[morat1959]

Didn’t he and Duane Thomas have 1000 rushing yards in the same season? Walt Garrison was also the fullback with both wasn’t he?

 

[RaZon]

Sorry but as you pointed out yourself.. Until the late 70's the US only ran meters in Olympic years. Therefore the exploits of Hart and Robinson probably never showed up on any "World Leader" lists. Go look up the results of the US Trials in 1972... tell me what you see.. Both were a 2 tenths of second faster than Borzov ever ran.. but never got the opportunity to show it at the Olympics.. And Meriwether, while a great story, never qualified for the Olympic team. Injuries took him out both in '72 and in '76.

Saw Hart run with Isaac Curtis yep the Bengals to be WR while at Cal, he was the NCAA champion with Curtis second. Don Couser and Dave Masters joining them to win the 4x1.
Rey Robinson ran at Hayes school FAMU, he like Hart had a 9.2 100 yards PR but........neither of them were on a par with Valery Borzov.

Borzov took third in the 1976 Olympics, he was world ranked all thru the 70's, he was far more revered than Hart and Robinson.

Meriweather was better indoors, too frail for a 100m.

1970 World Rankings

1...................................John Carlos (US)
2............. Valeriy Borzov (Soviet Union)
3................................ Ben Vaughan (US)
4............................. Charlie Greene (US)
5........................... Pablo Montes (Cuba)
6..................................... Eddie Hart (US)
7..... Siegfried Schenke (East Germany)
8...................... Zenon Nowosz (Poland)
9.............................. Ivory Crockett (US)
10..................... Hermes Ramírez (Cuba

 

[RonnieT24]

Didn’t he and Duane Thomas have 1000 rushing yards in the same season? Walt Garrison was also the fullback with both wasn’t he?

Yes Garrison was their fullback but Thomas never had a thousand yard seaso.. and Hill only had two .. which happened the two seasons after Thomas pouted his way out of town. He ended up playing for the Ratscums or all teams!

 

[MichiganCowboyFan]

……he sure did act defensive when I insulted Ricky Waters and Merton “chicken neck” Hanks. Lol

He's a 49ers fan, he lives in Porterville, CA and he's over 70 years old. I don't know why he kills his time on this board pretending to be a Cowboys fan. He's arguably the most infamous poster from another forum, https://www.BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1.com/ where he was outed as a pedophile and eventually was permanently banned from the website. He's just a sad old troll. Ignore him.

 

[RonnieT24]

Saw Hart run with Isaac Curtis yep the Bengals to be WR while at Cal, he was the NCAA champion with Curtis second. Don Couser and Dave Masters joining them to win the 4x1.
Rey Robinson ran at Hayes school FAMU, he like Hart had a 9.2 100 yards PR but........neither of them were on a par with Valery Borzov.

Borzov took third in the 1976 Olympics, he was world ranked all thru the 70's, he was far more revered than Hart and Robinson.

Meriweather was better indoors, too frail for a 100m.

1970 World Rankings

1...................................John Carlos (US)
2............. Valeriy Borzov (Soviet Union)
3................................ Ben Vaughan (US)
4............................. Charlie Greene (US)
5........................... Pablo Montes (Cuba)
6..................................... Eddie Hart (US)
7..... Siegfried Schenke (East Germany)
8...................... Zenon Nowosz (Poland)
9.............................. Ivory Crockett (US)
10..................... Hermes Ramírez (Cuba

The only reason Borzov was "more revered" was his longevity. Which up to that time was rare in track and field. Most guys quit pretty much after college and went and did something to make money.. and at that time track and field wasn't the place to do that. Borzov had the advantage of course of running for the Soviet Union which skirted the hell out of the "amateur" rules for Olympic competition for many years by claiming their athletes were "in the army." Totally not his fault and I certainly respect his 10.17?.. Dude was legit. but he stood no chance against Hart and Robinson that year. Actually that's probably too harsh.. Let's just say if they all ran their best he would have lost. Of course in 1976 they all got a break when Steve Williams pulled a hammie in the US 100 meter trials.. Williams had a dominant stretch between '73 and '80 but was dogged by bad luck between pulling up in the '76 trials and of course the boycott in '80.

 

[RaZon]

The only reason Borzov was "more revered" was his longevity. Which up to that time was rare in track and field. Most guys quit pretty much after college and went and did something to make money.. and at that time track and field wasn't the place to do that. Borzov had the advantage of course of running for the Soviet Union which skirted the hell out of the "amateur" rules for Olympic competition for many years by claiming their athletes were "in the army." Totally not his fault and I certainly respect his 10.17?.. Dude was legit. but he stood no chance against Hart and Robinson that year. Actually that's probably too harsh.. Let's just say if they all ran their best he would have lost. Of course in 1976 they all got a break when Steve Williams pulled a hammie in the US 100 meter trials.. Williams had a dominant stretch between '73 and '80 but was dogged by bad luck between pulling up in the '76 trials and of course the boycott in '80.

You aren't revered unless you are running fast, Borzov first world ranked in 1969, he was a totally different deal than Hart and Robinson who had very short sprint careers neither making a dent on the world stage. Hell Robinson couldn't hand off a relay baton that is why he wasn't on our 72 4x1 team, had to bring Larry Black a 200m cat to run instead. Robinson was a bit of a flack.

Sorry my man but nobody would take Hart/Robinson in 1972 over Borzov. I post at a few track forums I guarantee if I ask......would Hart and Robinson have beaten Borzov in 72 we will read...hell no!

Yes a 4/5 year career was about it for sprint careers, Borzov more manufactured than others.

Track& Field News Magazine, has the most knowledgeable gang of track geeks there is, want me to run this by them? Then there is...Let's Run....they know track, wanna see what they think?

Gotta come clean, we have talked about this a couple times over the years nobody is going with Hart/Robinson beating Borzov in 72.

Yep, Steve Williams wins in 76, this cat was great. Strange style in that he looked to be running slower than all those chasing him,, ha! Should have ran the 400m

Track & Field News 2003

12-02-2003, 01:32 PM
Re: Could Hart have beaten Borzov?

Hart's 10.07 was at altitude in Colorado Springs in 1978. That's over 6000ft (over 2000m) up. His fastest time at sea level was 10.20, in '79.

It is wishful thinking on the part of nostalgic Americans to think that Hart had any chance against Borzov. Hart and Robinson (whose best auto time was 10.26) would have been competing with Taylor for the silver medal. Borzov was a in a different class in Munich, as dominant an Olympic champ as there has been.

That said, I cam easily imagine that the presence of all three US runners would have made for a faster race, perhaps pushing Borzov near 10.00. And it would have been just great to see him finish ahead of all three Yanks - as it was, the NYT headline the next day was "the world's fastest man is a commie". Hilarious.

That isn't an outlier that is pretty much the norm. And that guy there knows his stuff.

 

[DandyDon52]

Surprised my first favorite Cowboy Don Perkins never had a 1000 yard season despite rushing for over 6000 yards.

he probably didnt get enough carries? I imagine they threw way more passes than runs.

 

[StarChamber_33]

I love to see GREAT PLAYERS (esp. Dallas Cowboys) of the past get their props., **Calvin Hill rushed for 1,036 yards (4.2 yards average) in 1972. He did that in a 14 GAME SEASON.. The NFL didn't extend to 16 games until 1978. The next season Hill rushed for 1,142 yards. |He is a 4-time Pro Bowler| An ALL PRO| Won the SB (Super Bowl VI) in 1972| He was a GREAT LEGENDARY PLAYER but more importantly a GREAT MAN.

 

[Jake]

Surprised my first favorite Cowboy Don Perkins never had a 1000 yard season despite rushing for over 6000 yards.

Unless you were Jim Brown, rushing for 1,000 yards in a 12 game season was difficult.

 

[RaZon]

Unless you were Jim Brown, rushing for 1,000 yards in a 12 game season was difficult.

Perkins never played in a 12 game season.