Calvin Pryor vs. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix

[supercowboy8]

Funny part is, based on what they describe, his game doesn't resemble Earl Thomas'. Sometimes I think these online scouts just throw out names to be people excited. To me, Pryor is a guy that has the range to be a good, but not great FS, but far more physical than an Earl Thomas/Ed Reed.

I see alot of Dashon Goldson in his game.

 

[casmith07]

This is my feeling as well...if BPA is the approach, then neither should be in our range....if we draft for need, then neither plays in the trenches...if one is there in the 2nd round? possibly, but they likely won't be unless they flop at the combine and drop as a result

I could be convinced to take Pryor in the first. He's pretty good in highlights but there aren't any actual "game films" to watch every play of him versus opponents like there are for Jimmie Ward or Craig Loston.

Speaking of Jimmie Ward, holy crap he's awesome. I'll be doing a thread on him soon with my fellow DB coach/scout Steve Otero.

 

[supercowboy8]

I have watched both of them closely and agree neither is first rd material. I do think they both take horrible angles on some plays, another player to add to the FS mix is Brooks. This safety class is a tier down from last years.

I disagree. I think Pryor is better than Cyprien or Elam who both went late 1st early 2nd last year. That should make a Pryor a mid to late safety which is where I have him.

 

[Nirvana]

I'm not sold on either one and will be disappointed if the front 7 is not addressed with the first pick.

Clinton-Dix plays at a 4.5-4.55 speed on tape, but I’m more concerned with his range and ability to identify offensive concepts. Give me a free safety who can read his run/pass keys, get his eyes back to the quarterback and break on the football to get over the top of the 9 (fade) or close the middle of the field versus the post/seam.

(Matt Bowen, NFL writer, former DB)


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1953872-ha-ha-clinton-dix-breaking-down-the-top-safety-prospect






I'd like to see if the guys we have at FS can be coached up into solid starters. Matt Johnson, J.J. Wilcox, even Jeff Heath - any of these guys have a chance to be decent. If Jeff Heath played the ball better his range and tackling are plenty good. That can be coached up, and I would question the quality of coaching if it is not.

With Pryor and Dix, I just don't see value in the first round. I'd be disappointed.

 

[supercowboy8]

I could be convinced to take Pryor in the first. He's pretty good in highlights but there aren't any actual "game films" to watch every play of him versus opponents like there are for Jimmie Ward or Craig Loston.

Speaking of Jimmie Ward, holy crap he's awesome. I'll be doing a thread on him soon with my fellow DB coach/scout Steve Otero.

Have you tried draftbreakdown.com they have 5 games of Pryor

 

[casmith07]

I see alot of Dashon Goldson in his game.

Calvin Pryor is a hammer type. Definitely better in coverage than Clinton-Dix but not a true free safety.

Wouldn't hate the pick though. If we played him at SS he would be an immediate upgrade over Church, Heath, and everyone else on the roster. I'm just starting to not love any of the DL the more I watch them. Aaron Donald, for example got dominated by FSU. Which by the way, FSU's right guard should be our #1 pick next year. He's an immovable wall of manhandling road grading blocking.

 

[Nirvana]

 

[supercowboy8]

I could be convinced to take Pryor in the first. He's pretty good in highlights but there aren't any actual "game films" to watch every play of him versus opponents like there are for Jimmie Ward or Craig Loston.

Speaking of Jimmie Ward, holy crap he's awesome. I'll be doing a thread on him soon with my fellow DB coach/scout Steve Otero.

You like jimmie ward more than Pryor. Wow. Sorry man but Ward is a SS only and takes some terrible angles vs lower competition

 

[supercowboy8]

I think he has Pryor and Dix confused. Dix doesn't have the range to be a MOF defender. Pryor has the big huts but that's the only thing he had as a SS. Pryor weakness is in man coverage. You want your SS to be able to cover in man. Pryor is a Centerfield zone FS

 

[Nirvana]

 

[Nirvana]

 

[supercowboy8]

Calvin Pryor is a hammer type. Definitely better in coverage than Clinton-Dix but not a true free safety.

Wouldn't hate the pick though. If we played him at SS he would be an immediate upgrade over Church, Heath, and everyone else on the roster. I'm just starting to not love any of the DL the more I watch them. Aaron Donald, for example got dominated by FSU. Which by the way, FSU's right guard should be our #1 pick next year. He's an immovable wall of manhandling road grading blocking.

I agree with Pryor being a Hammer but that's it.
Pryor could play SS but that would be a mistake. He doesn't play in the box. He's best playing back and reacting to the play with his speed. He's weakness is man coverage which you want your SS to do.

Church is a SS. He plays down in the box alot more. Pryor is a big upgrade over Wilcox and Heath.

Then Donald. I thought he had a good game vs FSU. Might not have gotten alot of stats that game but was in the backfield alot. He made Winston scramble alot during that game.

 

[Nirvana]

 

[casmith07]

You like jimmie ward more than Pryor. Wow. Sorry man but Ward is a SS only and takes some terrible angles vs lower competition

No. In Ward I see a guy who is able to cover slot corners man to man, and who plays the deep parts of the field with range and locates the ball very naturally.

You know who else took horrific angles in college? Kenny Vaccaro. In fact, Vaccaro made a ton of business decisions in run support and other plays on the tape. But what both Thomas and Vaccaro did that Ward does well is play slot receivers and display an ability to play the ball well in the air.

 

[supercowboy8]

No. In Ward I see a guy who is able to cover slot corners man to man, and who plays the deep parts of the field with range and locates the ball very naturally.

You know who else took horrific angles in college? Kenny Vaccaro. In fact, Vaccaro made a ton of business decisions in run support and other plays on the tape. But what both Thomas and Vaccaro did that Ward does well is play slot receivers and display an ability to play the ball well in the air.

I like Ward but as a SS only. I don't see the speed reaction. He has better instincts than he does reading a play. Looks pretty good as a SS vs lower competition.

I'm done taking mid round picks on lower school secondary players. We need a safety that can play FS day one. Ward is not that guy.
Now if we had two starting good veteran safeties then I would be all about Dallas getting Ward to develop and be a future SS.

 

[Nirvana]

What do you guys see in Jakar Hamilton? Does this guy have a shot to be great? If we keep 5 safeties on the roster next season we've got Church, Wilcox, Johnson, Heath, and Hamilton already. Heath is solid on ST so he has an edge over Hamilton. If Johnson can make it through camp (a big if) he'll make it with his talents (and I'd be excited to see him play.) Church and Wilcox are locks. So Hamilton is in deep waters if we draft a safety high.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Pryor is the better player to me... Much more range and ball skills.

 

[casmith07]

I like Ward but as a SS only. I don't see the speed reaction. He has better instincts than he does reading a play. Looks pretty good as a SS vs lower competition.

I'm done taking mid round picks on lower school secondary players. We need a safety that can play FS day one. Ward is not that guy.
Now if we had two starting good veteran safeties then I would be all about Dallas getting Ward to develop and be a future SS.

You couldn't be more wrong, man. Ward's got one on one cover skills against slot receivers.

What do you guys see in Jakar Hamilton? Does this guy have a shot to be great? If we keep 5 safeties on the roster next season we've got Church, Wilcox, Johnson, Heath, and Hamilton already. Heath is solid on ST so he has an edge over Hamilton. If Johnson can make it through camp (a big if) he'll make it with his talents (and I'd be excited to see him play.) Church and Wilcox are locks. So Hamilton is in deep waters if we draft a safety high.

Hamilton's my cousin, so I think he's an All-Pro in the making But seriously, he's not quite ready. I think he'll get a nod over someone like McCray if he can provide the same on special teams for his reduce rate.

 

[supercowboy8]

You couldn't be more wrong, man. Ward's got one on one cover skills against slote

Never said he didny. Go back and read. He is good at man cover and one on one. But that's what you want from your SS not FS. I said he was a good SS. We have one in church already. Also I was quite right in the fact that I'm sick of drafting small school mid round secondary players. We have about the same success rate there as we do drafting mid round small school OL.

 

[casmith07]

Never said he didny. Go back and read. He is good at man cover and one on one. But that's what you want from your SS not FS. I said he was a good SS. We have one in church already. Also I was quite right in the fact that I'm sick of drafting small school mid round secondary players. We have about the same success rate there as we do drafting mid round small school OL.

Vaccaro and Earl Thomas routinely came down into the box and covered slot WR's one on one.

Also,