Can We Now Say It Was Jimmy Johnson?

[blueblood70]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

This horse has been beat to death and it's unnecessary to keep bringing up.

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No we can't it was a group effort nothing Jimmy done was done alone jimmy wasn't even here to hire himself he was hired by his boss the vision was Jerry's the money was Jerry's the idea of bringing Jimmy here doesn't make Jimmy the sole reason we were winning it was a group effort that group has not yet been duplicated nor was the same NFL with the same type of salary cap the same type of free agency the same player movement they weren't going to have another home run trade like they did an appointment with Herschel Walker..

Literally was the single takeoff point and if you think Jimmy was gonna stay around after 1996 and have more success and be like the New England Patriots you didn't know Jimmy Johnson and the way he would have left anyway he was not going to stay and rebuild his team he would not have had the same success from 96 and on that he had from 89 and on that is a fact and I'm tired of having this discussion it was all of them together that created that championship run..
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You can't recreate that many times when all of your best players were dropping off like flies they were injured old falling off a cliff and washed and in my opinion and this is the last I'm going to say this they would not have won anymore championships than they did after he left that if he would have stayed other teams were competing and coming for them san Francisco still would have gave him the same problems and I believe and yes it was with Jimmy's assembled of teams that Switzer was able to go to the NFC Championship game and lose and then come back and win the Super Bowl that is it that was the expectations it was about to end anyway that's the point I don't think our success would have been much different after that yeah maybe our teams would have been a little better because Jerry in the 1st 5 years was the worst owner GM i've ever seen but right now that's not the same..

You all keep bringing this up we don't need to keep the redundancy of this stupid conversation it's becoming that ridiculous this was a big group effort with the players the trays everything fell in place there was a lot of luck involved and then it was going to fall apart and Jimmy was going to leave anyway he doesn't stay around long just like Parcells up in leaves overnight like he like owns AU haul ready and packed that is how Jimmy also sees things as a challenge he meets the challenge and then he needs a new challenge..

And this is the last I'm going to state this too jimmy was this much hit fault for him not being here he was not fired it was a mutual decision to challenge his boss publicly embarrass his boss and they both decided it was time to part ways..

Jimmy had full control of this he could have made an apology he could have begged to stay if he wanted to stay he could have stayed he created this mess you don't talk to your boss that way in public when you're inebriated and try to embarrass your boss, this is going to happen almost 100 percent of 100 percent times in any corporate environment ,you come to a corporate party and you embarrass your CEO or your boss ,you're probably not having a job Monday morning you're probably going to show up in your key card doesn't work and you're escorted out with your box of your stuff from your desk..

Jimmy really wanted to stay here he could have he already admitted they're equal at fault for this falling apart both have admitted they're equal in all this and they were equal in bringing these championships in these special moments we've had together much more.

Show me the scenario where Jimmy Johnson even comes into the NFL and is lucky enough to have all this stuff fall in place on any other team or does he become another chip Kelly or other college coaches that failed in the NFL like Sabin and Myers and Chip Kelly and Bobby Petrino I mean these dudes were supposed to be the bees knees of college and they came in and fell on their face they need to appreciate that together they created something special and together they blew it up...

 

[kskboys]

That ship sailed a long long time ago. Arguing the silly little details doesn't change that fact.

 

[kskboys]

Did Jimmy want Walsh or somebody over Aman. That’s the past who cares , I’m glad somebody gave Landry some credit

No, he wanted someone to compete w/ Aikman. Aikman had not panned out yet, and Jimmy knows unequivocally that if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

 

[blueblood70]

I watched Miami since the 90's.

Yes, Jimmy failed to bring them to the superbowl.
Yes, he couldn't replicate finding another Emmitt Smith in the draft.

When Shula was there, they let Marino run the offense. Johnson wanted a stronger run game and he clashed with Marino often. Yatil Green and John Avery as 1-2 misses at RB and WR hurt.
However, he did a great job building up the defense. Like you said, Dave had a great cast to work with on that side, but a mix of QB purgatory and still bad drafts doomed the Dolphins.

IIRC Johnson wanted to trade Marino, but he was a big name down here. And Marino was still a good QB but injuries were piling up and while he still had an arm he was a statue. And his last year coaching in Miami he was checked out after his mom died in December of 1998. He resigned in Spring of 1999, but was talked back into the 1999-2000 season.

You can make excuses all you want it never was going to get recreated jimmy Johnson needed Jerry as much as Jerry needed Jimmy they had a lot of luck in the trades that were made that created all those perfect draft picks nothing was done alone this was a group effort anybody keeps saying this acting like Jimmy if he had more control and more time with the Dolphins he could have made them different no your first words right he clashed with Marino he clashed with his boss he ran his mouth and ended up in Miami he could have apologized nobody talks in her boss like that and survives.

You all can keep saying this but if Jimmy Johnson was such a great coach and gm why didn't he get a gm job and by the way if you know Parcells and guys like that which is Jimmy Johnson's like NFL comp they get antsy they don't stay around a long time they like a new challenge this was going to end it was going to end anyway and I don't think we'd have had any more Super Bowls than what Switzer brought us afterwards the team was getting washed, They were getting old they were falling apart and there's no way Jimmy stays around to try and rebuild there's no way they could have recreated this lightning in a bottle that happened together it was not going to happen and it's already proven because he never did it again anywhere else and he retired..

Much like parcel struggled to get along with anyone wherever he went it was a short time and if it didn't work out he ran like packed up in the middle of night and ran type of personality they don't stay around for new struggles.. This is exactly who they are this is like the hardball that went to Michigan after things started getting too much for San Francisco and then he leaves whenever there's some shady things being said in rumors about cheating over their Michigan he comes back he wears on people he won't be with them long if he doesn't change his personality these types of head coaches don't stay around very long...

 

[fivetwos]

Gotta give Landry some credit here

I loved that man.

 

[75boyz]

Is there anyone left who isn't saying it was all Jimmy?

There are a few select minions remaining.

Same as the current starting QB cult followers believing in a deep post season run while he's still under center.
Just ain't happening.

 

[zrinkill]

jimmy did not have the same deal in Miami. He had a GM in Miami whose loyalty was to Marino. Jimmy basically couldn't make the offensive changes he wanted to make b/c Marino ran that side of the ball and Jimmy couldn't get rid of him even as his play deteriorated with age. What Jimmy did do was build the top defensive unit in the league bc he had full control of the defense.

None of this has anything to do with Dallas. Jimmy's work in Dallas was recognized with a HOF jacket. It requires no defense. Had Jerry just been a normal owner who let the football people run the team, the Cowboy dynasty would have lasted at least 4-5 more years.

Thank you ...... great post that kills these Jerry loyalist arguments, who were probably not even watching football at that time period.

 

[fivetwos]

No, he wanted someone to compete w/ Aikman. Aikman had not panned out yet, and Jimmy knows unequivocally that if you don't have a QB, you got nothing.

Yep, that was his reasoning, and obviously he had a relationship with Walsh from UM.

He was able to salvage some picks for Walsh eventually but it wasn’t the equal of the first pick in the draft…which would have been Junior Seau according to him.

Overall, id say it worked out though lol.

 

[dupree89]

There are a few select minions remaining. Same as the current starting QB cult followers.

 

[zrinkill]

Not diminishing the job Jimmy did here, but the cupboard wasn’t quite as bare as 1-15 would suggest…..

Aikman
Irvin
Martin
Walker
Tuinei
Newton
Gogan
Jeffcoat
Hennings
Norton

Jimmy also made some draft mistakes, such as taking Steve Walsh in the sup draft because he wanted to hedge his bet on Aikman. Alex Wright, and some others…..BUT he also found some real gems that provided incredible depth, and most importantly….he made DAMN sure they didn’t choke in home playoff games with much at stake.

Jerry’s kids plan victory parties and/or Mexico vacations in advance of those. Neither is the reason for those losses, but it’s the difference in the overall mindset of the team.

Jimmy: “you have a lot of work to do and haven’t accomplished a thing yet…”

Jerry: “you already won the minute you got here…”

Hennings was still in air force during 1-15 season

 

[blueblood70]

Gotta give Landry some credit here

Is much more than that I don't know why people say here and yes some of it was left over players you know there was somewhat of a carryover from Landry then you have big time luck and being able to make that trade with Herschel Walker and have things fall into place but it was a group effort..

It wasn't just about the people it was about the circumstances free agency the salary cap player movement it wasn't the same so you have to put all of it together this was not happening anywhere else and it was not going to happen again after it all fell apart the players got washed old left it broke up the team and Jimmy was going to leave anyway and I'll say this and I'll keep saying this we were not going on a New England run that was never going to happen this is more like Bill Parcells it's a hit and run thing it was going to end it was going to end badly and Jimmy was going to leave anyway therefore I say we want exactly amount of Super Bowls that we were going to win with that team and when that team fizzled out Jimmy was going to run for a new challenge..

He knows and everybody who also has common sense that doesn't hate Jerry Jones knows that is actual facts they broke up because he ran his mouth and anybody who runs his mouth to his boss and doesn't public apologize they both made mistakes it's mutual decision it got broken up but it was going to be broken up anyway and Barry Switzer did as much with Jimmy's players as Jimmy would have there's no way this team would have been in any better position because I'm telling you I guarantee by 1998 Jimmy would have had enough and he would have ran he would have left that's a fact so anybody who thinks this would have been any better just really don't want to see who Jimmy Johnson really was the fact that he went to Miami and clashed with everyone didn't get along with Dan Marino and then quit there and never got a job as AGM never got another head coaching job he retired he ran that was what was going to happen anyway..

Jimmy prefers to be his own boss he prefers to be on a boat fishing and relax at his restaurants he was never gonna be Bill Belichick he was never gonna be Tom Landry he was as good as them but he didn't have the same personality he ropes on people just like Parcells and just like Jim Harbaugh they don't stay around long..

He would not have been able to recreate a new team and go on another run because that's not how it happened in the first place it took a lot of things to fall in place it's lightning in a bottle a lot of it was luck it was perfect timing for these two to be married but it was going to be a short marriage because That is who Jimmy was.

Anybody doesn't see this we've already heard both of them in public say it was both their faults they take equal responsibility and they both know it was going to end sooner than later this just ended up sooner but I don't think we're winning any more championships than we did with Switzer that was it that team was about to be completely old completely washed and gone it was over.

 

[dstew60105]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

It was 90% Jimmy.

 

[fivetwos]

Hennings was still in air force during 1-15 season

Yes but they had his rights already and he was a big part of an incredibly deep DLine on those winning teams.

You’re not wrong but he shouldn’t have not been mentioned.

 

[dcstar]

It was Jimmy Johnson

Go Cowboys!

 

[iceberg]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

it was the both of them. sorry - it may be a PITA to say it and understand it, but Jimmy said he could win in miami.

got shula fired.

never won.

he had his chances also.

people really need to let **** go.

 

[zrinkill]

Yes but they had his rights already and he was a big part of an incredibly deep DLine on those winning teams.

You’re not wrong but he shouldn’t have not been mentioned.

He did not actually join the Cowboys till 92 and yes they had his rights

 

[fivetwos]

Is much more than that I don't know why people say here and yes some of it was left over players you know there was somewhat of a carryover from Landry then you have big time luck and being able to make that trade with Herschel Walker and have things fall into place but it was a group effort..

It wasn't just about the people it was about the circumstances free agency the salary cap player movement it wasn't the same so you have to put all of it together this was not happening anywhere else and it was not going to happen again after it all fell apart the players got washed old left it broke up the team and Jimmy was going to leave anyway and I'll say this and I'll keep saying this we were not going on a New England run that was never going to happen this is more like Bill Parcells it's a hit and run thing it was going to end it was going to end badly and Jimmy was going to leave anyway therefore I say we want exactly amount of Super Bowls that we were going to win with that team and when that team fizzled out Jimmy was going to run for a new challenge..

He knows and everybody who also has common sense that doesn't hate Jerry Jones knows that is actual facts they broke up because he ran his mouth and anybody who runs his mouth to his boss and doesn't public apologize they both made mistakes it's mutual decision it got broken up but it was going to be broken up anyway and Barry Switzer did as much with Jimmy's players as Jimmy would have there's no way this team would have been in any better position because I'm telling you I guarantee by 1998 Jimmy would have had enough and he would have ran he would have left that's a fact so anybody who thinks this would have been any better just really don't want to see who Jimmy Johnson really was the fact that he went to Miami and clashed with everyone didn't get along with Dan Marino and then quit there and never got a job as AGM never got another head coaching job he retired he ran that was what was going to happen anyway..

Jimmy prefers to be his own boss he prefers to be on a boat fishing and relax at his restaurants he was never gonna be Bill Belichick he was never gonna be Tom Landry he was as good as them but he didn't have the same personality he ropes on people just like Parcells and just like Jim Harbaugh they don't stay around long..

He would not have been able to recreate a new team and go on another run because that's not how it happened in the first place it took a lot of things to fall in place it's lightning in a bottle a lot of it was luck it was perfect timing for these two to be married but it was going to be a short marriage because That is who Jimmy was.

Anybody doesn't see this we've already heard both of them in public say it was both their faults they take equal responsibility and they both know it was going to end sooner than later this just ended up sooner but I don't think we're winning any more championships than we did with Switzer that was it that team was about to be completely old completely washed and gone it was over.

Damn man, all he was trying to do was acknowledge my post that simply said that there were some decent players on those teams that were already here under Landry.


And making a good trade isn’t “luck,” and either Jerry had zero to do with the Walker deal either than signing off, or you’re calling Johnson a total liar.

If trades are luck, I’d like to see your boy Jerry get a little more “lucky” more often…..when it’s not on the NDA bus that is.

 

[ICP]

I thought everyone already knew this?

 

[kskboys]

Yep, that was his reasoning, and obviously he had a relationship with Walsh from UM.

He was able to salvage some picks for Walsh eventually but it wasn’t the equal of the first pick in the draft…which would have been Junior Seau according to him.

Overall, id say it worked out though lol.

I didn't like it at all at the time, but looking back, it makes sense. And we did get a nice haul for him, a 1,2,3.

 

[rags747]

Love Jimmy but he was the Biggest Baby that the NFL has ever seen. Psychology degree and he couldn’t even control his own emotions. Flat left his wife and his relationship with his sons was totally non existent. Great guy and father!