Can We Now Say It Was Jimmy Johnson?

[ChuckA1]

Many of us have been saying that for 30 years.

 

[john van brocklin]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

Been painfully obvious for years, my friend.
The Jones cant even figure out how to get to a NFCCG in the past 29 years.

The SB ???????

 

[CWR]

"Now"?

For real, welcome to the party lol.

 

[blueblood70]

It was 90% Jimmy.

No absolutely 5050 I mean that is how it was told by the people themselves that's what we're sticking to there is no Jimmy without Jerry buying the team without Jerry offering the job to his buddy his friend at the time his ex college teammate there is no Jimmy Johnson doing anything without Jerry's help including the money including the opportunity to work alongside each other to make these trades and pay these players this is an even thing both getting together the winning and the breakup it's 50 50 and that's the only way anybody can ever say anything else...

They've kissed and made up he's in the ring of honor now let's move on people this gets rehashed it seems like every three or four months somebody has to say something and it's absolutely untrue jimmy would have never been a successful NFL head coach to this capacity without Jerry making it possible they work together side by side to get this done..

 

[eromeopolk]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

We have said this for 30 years. Jerry said it in a LA times article in 1989. With Jimmy you get two for the price of one, Head Coach and GM. That is why Jimmy flipped out on him. He is a notorious liar and narcissist lie someone else we all know in business, friendship, and in Jones case, football.

 

[kramskoi]

IMO...the window for the 'Boys was circa 2021-23. At present...the o-line, d-line and skill positions are less potent than they were in the aforementioned years...especially 2021, which featured a very talented offensive roster. Coupled with the two consecutive turnover leading seasons, it's incomprehensible how neither the '21 or '22 teams at least made it to the title game.

Moreover...I sincerely believe that the window is (now) probably closed with Prescott. He's making too much money for the team to be appreciably better than it was 3 or 4 seasons ago. An additional problem is the MUCH improved NFC North (Detroit and Green Bay). San Francisco is likely to bounce back, though the loss of Samuels is going to really hurt them. If McCaffrey can't stay healthy they will struggle on offense (especially if Trent Williams also has troubles). They won't be as good as they were 2 - 3 years ago. And the defense is older.

Sometimes the window just passes you by...for whatever reasons...bad drafting, injuries, bad luck, bad coaching. To get everything to line up like it did for Dallas in 2021-22 is something a team simply has to take advantage of. 2023 was the last shot...but then the defense goes belly-up on the beach.

Not holding out much hope for 2025...even if they adopt a run-first, run-oriented approach. Other teams have caught up to the 'Boys. They have to try and do NOW (with less talent and more competition) what they didn't do THEN (with more talent and less competition). I don't see it.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Jimmy came out of the college coaching ranks with an entire cadre of coaches that had scouted the players for recruitment, scouted the players they would face on the field, and had several years of watching the success of these players. All of these coaches, and especially Jimmy, had a real eye for talent. They were all on the same page as far as schemes. As far as the type and mentality of the players they wanted/needed. And were the perfect marriage between coaching and talent. And a leadership that created the ideal culture for success.

So when this group hit the NFL with all the information they had gathered, they went out to get premiere talent for the Cowboys.

Jimmy also possessed the exact right mindset and ability to orchestrate the Herschel Walker trade. He put that together. The league thought Jimmy would be a rube to fleece. He broke one off in the Vikings. And all the trades after.

So you had the right head coach. The right player personnel with staff. The right trade. And several years of multi picks.

I once did an analysis of what that trade brought to the Cowboys. With the picks Dallas already had - and Landry's last year and Jimmy's first season gave them premium draft slottings. Plus Jimmy moving within the draft to target the players he wanted. The years Jimmy was here he owned 104 draft picks. He traded away around forty of those picks. Of the 60 left, Jimmy constructed a championship team with roughly 34 picks.

Jimmy built the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy trained the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy created the Dallas Cowboys. All with the purpose and goal of winning.

Was this a perfect storm? Maybe. But without Jimmy Johnson, none of this would have happened.

And if Jerry Jones was truly in charge of the decision making then as he is now, the Dallas Cowboys would have ended up being a 35 year loser.

The Cowboys aren't losers. Their history dictates this to be true. But they have been hamstrung for thirty years by a man who is so addicted to his ego, and a chase for the idea that people will eventually call him a real Football Guy.

The coaches get paid. The players get paid. The advertisers earn market share and get paid. The Jones' family gets paid.

The ones who truly suffer are the fans of a franchise that was once in the top three in the history of this league. The fans who pay for the tickets. Who buy the products. Who buy the merch. Who have, in some way bought the BS coming from Jerry. The fans are the ones who ultimately pay.

I have been, am now, and always will be a Cowboys' fan. I have not given up on the team. I just understand a maniac runs this franchise, and the culture of this team is as decayed and putrefied as any victim left by a serial killer out in the elements for months.

Jerry Jones - - Oilman and franchise killer.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

been saying it for 15 years. no matter what Jerry does, he will never overcome the shadow of Jimmy....

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nope...the success is STILL...both. Together as a team.

neither one by themselves did much. Jerry's had a lot longer so...maybe 60-40 not 50-50?

 

[plasticman]

That club started even before Jimmy left.

Anybody paying attention knew that Jimmy had just won a college national championship with players he recruited of which 38 was drafted into the NFL. Jimmy knew where the talent was.

Jimmy described, in detail, exactly what kind of team he was going to build.

Jimmy made sure everyone competed. When he took a QB, Aikman, with the #1 overall pick, he selected another QB in the supplemental draft. No one was safe.

Jerry was an attention hog from the start and it was obvious he didn't know anything about NFL football, the players or the fans.

In the draft room, Jerry instructed staff to always look at if someone was conferring with him when the cameras were rolling on the Cowboys. There are stories of the phone he was using being disconnected.

At that point, his discussions about the Cowboys team and players sounded like a poor translation of whatever Jimmy had said a few days prior.

 

[acr731]

The Jones's have had three decades to make it far into the playoffs and win a 6th SB. They have failed at every turn. Cowboys fans had to wait 15 years between Coach Landry and HC Johnson to return to SB glory. I thought that was absurd, but now?

It's time to face the facts, the Jones's don't know how to win a SB. It was always Jimmy Johnson and until the Jones's admit that and change their ways, the Cowboys will always be "what was."

Another member supported the Jones' in another thread yesterday by saying that "Rome wasn't built in a day", meaning Jerry just needs more time to get things right. Well, he was right about Rome - it took around 800 years for Rome to reach it's peak. All I want to know is that he isn't willing to give Jerry and his clan another 770 years to try and figure things out.

It's been 30 years - if something hasn't clicked by now it isn't going to happen. Even Jerry admits his sorry GM should have been fired decades ago.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jimmy came out of the college coaching ranks with an entire cadre of coaches that had scouted the players for recruitment, scouted the players they would face on the field, and had several years of watching the success of these players. All of these coaches, and especially Jimmy, had a real eye for talent. They were all on the same page as far as schemes. As far as the type and mentality of the players they wanted/needed. And were the perfect marriage between coaching and talent. And a leadership that created the ideal culture for success.

So when this group hit the NFL with all the information they had gathered, they went out to get premiere talent for the Cowboys.

Jimmy also possessed the exact right mindset and ability to orchestrate the Herschel Walker trade. He put that together. The league thought Jimmy would be a rube to fleece. He broke one off in the Vikings. And all the trades after.

So you had the right head coach. The right player personnel with staff. The right trade. And several years of multi picks.

I once did an analysis of what that trade brought to the Cowboys. With the picks Dallas already had - and Landry's last year and Jimmy's first season gave them premium draft slottings. Plus Jimmy moving within the draft to target the players he wanted. The years Jimmy was here he owned 104 draft picks. He traded away around forty of those picks. Of the 60 left, Jimmy constructed a championship team with roughly 34 picks.

Jimmy built the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy trained the Dallas Cowboys. Jimmy created the Dallas Cowboys. All with the purpose and goal of winning.

Was this a perfect storm? Maybe. But without Jimmy Johnson, none of this would have happened.

And if Jerry Jones was truly in charge of the decision making then as he is now, the Dallas Cowboys would have ended up being a 35 year loser.

The Cowboys aren't losers. Their history dictates this to be true. But they have been hamstrung for thirty years by a man who is so addicted to his ego, and a chase for the idea that people will eventually call him a real Football Guy.

The coaches get paid. The players get paid. The advertisers earn market share and get paid. The Jones' family gets paid.

The ones who truly suffer are the fans of a franchise that was once in the top three in the history of this league. The fans who pay for the tickets. Who buy the products. Who buy the merch. Who have, in some way bought the BS coming from Jerry. The fans are the ones who ultimately pay.

I have been, am now, and always will be a Cowboys' fan. I have not given up on the team. I just understand a maniac runs this franchise, and the culture of this team is as decayed and putrefied as any victim left by a serial killer out in the elements for months.

Jerry Jones - - Oilman and franchise killer.