Can You Have a Dominant Cover 2?

[baj1dallas]

My big problem with the Cover 2 is that when it is at it's finest it is still a bend but don't break type defense. At least with the 3-4, it has a chance to be dominant if done correctly. I have never been impressed with any Cover 2 team I have watched- none seem to pressure the QB. Which of course means Rivera will fit right in .

How many cover 2 teams were in the Superbowl this year?

How many 3-4 teams even won a playoff game?

 

[The Realist]

How many cover 2 teams were in the Superbowl this year?

How many 3-4 teams even won a playoff game?

Which of those 2 teams had a dominant D?

How many SB's have 3-4 teams won last 5 years?

Given there are only 3-7 3-4 teams at any moment in time that's pretty telling stat against 4-3.

 

[Rack]

Which of those 2 teams had a dominant D?

How many SB's have 3-4 teams won last 5 years?

Given there are only 3-7 3-4 teams at any moment in time that's pretty telling stat against 4-3.

What front you run is irrelevant. No front is better then the other. It's all about personel, talent, and coaching.

 

[Clove]

It all comes down to talent, period. If you can rush the passer, you can rush him. And pressure always causes problems no matter what type of defense you run.

 

[theogt]

How many cover 2 teams were in the Superbowl this year?

How many 3-4 teams even won a playoff game?

3-4 teams made up about 1/3 of the NFL. They also made up 1/3 of the playoff teams. The two SB teams ran a Cover 2, but I wouldn't call either defense dominant (particularly Indy's), nor would I even consider running a Tampa 2 in Dallas.

 

[theogt]

It all comes down to talent, period. If you can rush the passer, you can rush him. And pressure always causes problems no matter what type of defense you run.

It all comes down to talent, except when it comes down to scheme and coaching.

Come on people, it's possible that both play a role.

 

[The Realist]

What front you run is irrelevant. No front is better then the other. It's all about personel, talent, and coaching.

Some talent is more readily available than others.

Due to that fact most if not all 4-3 teams sacrifice size for speed.

If you have a potent O like us in the 90's or today's Colts, it doesn't come back to bite you because your undersized D can pin it's ears back with the lead.

Fact is there are more 3-4 DE's, and LB's walking the earth than 4-3 DE's and 4-3 DT's.

And no 3-4 DE is not a direct translation to 4-3 DT.

More guys like Spears, Canty, Olshansky, Castillo vs Lett, Sapp, Harris....

More guys like Ware, Merriman, Wimbley, Suggs than Peppers, Reggie White....

I don't see how a 265 pound 4-3 DE can go toe to toe with 300-330 pound NFL tackle without sacrificing something......unless his team spots him 14 in the first quarter.

 

[Muhast]

The Vikes make me scared of the cover two. they have 4 good Dlinemen, anchored by K-williams, and Pat Williams, plus Erasmus James and they have pretty solid DBS (winfield, Smoot/Griffin, Dwight Smith, Darren Sharper) and finished the year with prob one of the best rushing defenses in nfl history yet tied for last in pass defense.

that scares me.

 

[Oh_Canada]

How many cover 2 teams were in the Superbowl this year?

How many 3-4 teams even won a playoff game?

Ahhhh how many 3-4's have won the Super Bowl in the decade?

The answer is five.

Baltimore's defense shut Peyton and the Colts down....if it weren't for there atrocious offense I am guessing we would be adding a sixth.

 

[Rack]

Ahhhh how many 3-4's have won the Super Bowl in the decade?

The answer is five.

Baltimore's defense shut Peyton and the Colts down....if it weren't for there atrocious offense I am guessing we would be adding a sixth.

The Ravens don't run a 3-4 as their base D.

 

[joseephuss]

Ahhhh how many 3-4's have won the Super Bowl in the decade?

The answer is five.

Baltimore's defense shut Peyton and the Colts down....if it weren't for there atrocious offense I am guessing we would be adding a sixth.

1996 Packers ran the 4-3
1997 Broncos ran the 4-3
1998 Broncos ran the 4-3
1999 Rams ran the 4-3
2000 Ravens ran the 4-3
2001 Patriots ran the 3-4
2002 Buccaneers ran the 4-3
2003 Patriots ran the 3-4
2004 Patriots ran the 3-4
2005 Steelers ran the 3-4
2006 Colts ran the 4-3

I see only two teams on that list that ran the 3-4 scheme. The Pats were able to win 3 SBs with it. Their defense has a lot of guys that can do a little bit of everything. They often ran the 4-3 as well depending on who they were facing.

 

[whittle]

[QUOTE I don't see how a 265 pound 4-3 DE can go toe to toe with 300-330 pound NFL tackle without sacrificing something......unless his team spots him 14 in the first quarter.[/QUOTE]

Charles Haley sure could do it!!!!!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

I think too much gets made out of the 3-4 vs the 4-3. Both are proven defense but like any thing it comes down to players executing it.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Ideally, the Cover 2 is the perfect defense. The reason why most teams don't run it or can't run it is because you need 4 lineman that are capable of creating pressure. That's a tall order these days but when your front four can pass rush, it can create havoc and lead to turnovers. The problem occurs when your front 4 can't rush the passer, then your secondary is basically playing a soft zone that is ripe for the picking. Indy has a great offensive line and thus Chicago's front 4 had difficulty generating pressure. When your front 4 is applying pressure, the QB is left to get rid of the ball quickly. And that's difficult to do against one corner playing up and a safety that his back which eliminates the deep throw. So a QB under pressure will have to be able to throw the perfect medium throw just over the corner and just short of the safety. That's nearly impossible to throw when a QB is under pressure. Very few QB's are even capable of making that type of throw.

Again, the reason we had trouble running it is because none of our lineman could pass rush.

 

[The Realist]

[QUOTE I don't see how a 265 pound 4-3 DE can go toe to toe with 300-330 pound NFL tackle without sacrificing something......unless his team spots him 14 in the first quarter.

Charles Haley sure could do it!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

What do reading comprehension mean?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Ravens don't run a 3-4 as their base D.

46 Baby!

I just like saying that. :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

1996 Packers ran the 4-3
1997 Broncos ran the 4-3
1998 Broncos ran the 4-3
1999 Rams ran the 4-3
2000 Ravens ran the 4-3
2001 Patriots ran the 3-4
2002 Buccaneers ran the 4-3
2003 Patriots ran the 3-4
2004 Patriots ran the 3-4
2005 Steelers ran the 3-4
2006 Colts ran the 4-3

I see only two teams on that list that ran the 3-4 scheme. The Pats were able to win 3 SBs with it. Their defense has a lot of guys that can do a little bit of everything. They often ran the 4-3 as well depending on who they were facing.

You can make a pretty good argument that the Pats run a 4-3 more then they do a 34.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ideally, the Cover 2 is the perfect defense. The reason why most teams don't run it or can't run it is because you need 4 lineman that are capable of creating pressure. That's a tall order these days but when your front four can pass rush, it can create havoc and lead to turnovers. The problem occurs when your front 4 can't rush the passer, then your secondary is basically playing a soft zone that is ripe for the picking. Indy has a great offensive line and thus Chicago's front 4 had difficulty generating pressure. When your front 4 is applying pressure, the QB is left to get rid of the ball quickly. And that's difficult to do against one corner playing up and a safety that his back which eliminates the deep throw. So a QB under pressure will have to be able to throw the perfect medium throw just over the corner and just short of the safety. That's nearly impossible to throw when a QB is under pressure. Very few QB's are even capable of making that type of throw.

Again, the reason we had trouble running it is because none of our lineman could pass rush.

A good pass rush will make any defensive scheme look better. To me, the real problem with a Cover2 is personel. We don't have good cover safeties and we don't have solid coverage from our ILBs. Especially in a Tampa2, which is a bit different then a straight cover2, you have to have these pieces or you may as well mail it in. JMO

 

[The Realist]

You can make a pretty good argument that the Pats run a 4-3 more then they do a 34.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You don't honestly believe that do you?

Yes I do.