Can you imagine if Dallas took Eli

[yesfan]

and gave up a 1st,a 3rd, a 5th,about 50 million,
and Phillip Rivers
Jerry might have to go into a witness protection
program.

 

[sago1]

I'm thinking that's a big reason why Jones was trying so hard to pick up a future franchise QB w/o using lots of draft picks to move up. Those closest we would have gotten a chance to pick up a what we believed to be a franchise QB would have been in the Campo era when we went 5-11 three straight years (2000-2002). Wonder which QB would have been available in the draft during those years--both those who made it and those who stunk.

 

[Eddie]

I'm thinking that's a big reason why Jones was trying so hard to pick up a future franchise QB w/o using lots of draft picks to move up. Those closest we would have gotten a chance to pick up a what we believed to be a franchise QB would have been in the Campo era when we went 5-11 three straight years (2000-2002). Wonder which QB would have been available in the draft during those years--both those who made it and those who stunk.

Leftie was available, but we took Roy Williams.

I like the guy, but Leftie has been really bothered by injuries.

 

[Darkhound]

I dont think that is even a possibility. We have Romo for the time being!

 

[dbair1967]

and gave up a 1st,a 3rd, a 5th,about 50 million,
and Phillip Rivers
Jerry might have to go into a witness protection
program.

I said at the time of the trade it was incredibly stupid on the Giants behalf...Eli was never worth being the 1st pick of the draft in the first place, let alone all the Giants gave up to get him...he has a 1st rd pick name but 3rd rd pick talent

the Chargers are the one's laughing all the way around right now...the Giants, and the Manning's both are getting what they deserved, and dont discount Tagliabue's involvement in all this either...he wanted Manning in NY and helped orchestrate all that draft day garbage

David

 

[tyke1doe]

I think Eli was thrown into the mix too quickly.

He's a good quarterback, but he never really got the chance to study the game from the sidelines because he's a Manning and considered the "Savior" of the franchise.

IMO, young quarterbacks are thrown to the wolves too early, and I think this retards their learning ability because they don't properly get to evaluate the game and learn the playbook.

And that's why, IMO, Romo is doing so well. He has had three years to study the playbook, make observations from the sidelines and then get accustomed to all the nuances of the game.

Romo was handled old-school style, and from my observation, this approach yields better results than quickly unleashing rookie quarterbacks on hungry, fast veteran defenses.

 

[superpunk]

I think Eli was thrown into the mix too quickly.

He's a good quarterback, but he never really got the chance to study the game from the sidelines because he's a Manning and considered the "Savior" of the franchise.

IMO, young quarterbacks are thrown to the wolves too early, and I think this retards their learning ability because they don't properly get to evaluate the game and learn the playbook.

And that's why, IMO, Romo is doing so well. He has had three years to study the playbook, make observations from the sidelines and then get accustomed to all the nuances of the game.

Romo was handled old-school style, and from my observation, this approach yields better results than quickly unleashing rookie quarterbacks on hungry, fast veteran defenses.

The crazy thing is, it was comlpletely unnecessary! What were they? 5-3 when he took over? Stupid coaching, and that's continuing now. They've destroyed his confidence. His receivers go to Florida during training camp, so he doesn't get that work with them, plus they're *******es when they're not getting the ball. He wanted New York, and it appears he can't handle New York.

Bill deserves huge respect for the way he brought Romo along. Romo even acknowledges that. There were plenty of people drooling because they wanted the young QBs out there in garbage games, just for their own edification, and they were wrong.

 

[Juke99]

I've never liked Eli Manning's game...

His accuracy is AWFUL....and he's about as inconsistent as any QB I've ever seen.

That the Giants gave up THAT much to acquire him makes me VERY happy.

 

[Duane]

Leftie was available, but we took Roy Williams.

I like the guy, but Leftie has been really bothered by injuries.

That was the year we took Newman. The previous year the debate was Williams/Jammer.

 

[Hostile]

With any player there is a needed combination of effort from the player and sound coaching to produce good results.

I see the effort from Manning, but I think the coaching from the Giants is a bit suspect. They do not focus on getting him to correct mechanics flaws.

Every player who has ever been a bust could have made it with a combination of self effort and proper coaching. Every single one of these guys is talented beyond belief to get to where they are.

Success is a combination of so many factors it is mind boggling. For instance the team around you. The reason QB is the most glorified position in all of sports is because it requires so much of a player.

All the more reason why Romo's success is so jaw dropping impressive.

 

[tyke1doe]

Leftie was available, but we took Roy Williams.

I like the guy, but Leftie has been really bothered by injuries.

Yeah, I was on the Leftwich bandwagon. I'm glad we passed on him.

He's pedestrian at best.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm thinking that's a big reason why Jones was trying so hard to pick up a future franchise QB w/o using lots of draft picks to move up. Those closest we would have gotten a chance to pick up a what we believed to be a franchise QB would have been in the Campo era when we went 5-11 three straight years (2000-2002). Wonder which QB would have been available in the draft during those years--both those who made it and those who stunk.

There was talk that Dallas would have drafted Harrington if he had dropped.

Again, I'm glad he didn't. We got Roy Williams instead.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I tell you with Eli I really don't think it is a physical problem I think it is a mental problem.

Watch Eli when they go no huddle or he really does not have time to think but just react...more times than not that is when he does his best.

If he does not have time to think about things he does better, almost like a playground style of system with him. Sometimes it reminds me of Tim Couch while at Kentucky and they would show Coach Mumme (sp?) on the sidelines during a timeout with Couch. A couple of times they were literally doing the draw the play in the dirt thing that you would do on the playground as a youth.

That is what I think about when I see manning. If he is on pure instinct and has not time to think about the situation or plays he does better.

And if you notice after he makes a dumb play he will look at the sidelines and I swear you can just see the stupidest look on his face like he has no clue what happened.

Put him in a situation where it is go go go and no time to think he does better.

I seen it with him taking over in his freshman (can not remember if it was real or redshirt) year when his team was in a bowl game and they were really behind so they brought in Manning (at the time the backup) and he was throwing darts all over the place and making plays, almost brought his team back from a big deficit.

However if he has to sit back and think about stuff he just does not do well.

I think someone hit on it earlier, maybe in another thread, I am not really sure this is something that Eli really wants...I think there may be a little case of Daddy and Big Brother did it and he was expected to do it but his heart is not 100% into it.


On a side note....how good have the chargers done over the years with trades....honestly it is amazing.

In two trades they netted the following players.

Phillip Rivers
Drew Brees
S. Merriman

and the best of ALL

LT the TD machine.

Just amazing.

 

[ZeroClub]

I've never liked Eli Manning's game...

His accuracy is AWFUL....and he's about as inconsistent as any QB I've ever seen.

That the Giants gave up THAT much to acquire him makes me VERY happy.

I didn't think much of him coming out of college and thought the Giants gave up way too much for him.

And the inconsistency is amazing.

Earlier this year when he was playing so well, I thought I had been flat wrong on Eli and that the Giants had been shrewd to draft him. And yet in recent games, Eli looks inept and lost.

I'd guess that when Manning goes on one of his hot streaks and performs very well for several games, it is at least partially due to some very good coaching. Perhaps good coaching only goes so far with Manning.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think Eli was thrown into the mix too quickly.

I completely agree. He was way to immature to be starting.

The crazy thing is, it was comlpletely unnecessary! What were they? 5-3 when he took over? Stupid coaching, and that's continuing now.

They looked at Peyton and threw caution to the wind. I think Eli could have been better than his brother. I think he has more physical tools than Peyton. He just isn't were he needs to be up-top. (maturity wise)

They better figure it out, because if he keeps going through what he did last night his career will be over. A QB must have confidence. He shows flashes of Peyton in the two minute offense. Of course having receivers acting like idiots like the way Burress and Shockey do at times doesn't help his confidence. It's a shame as Toomer was a key to keep him grounded. Now thats gone.

EDIT: A comment I made to my wife (a Giant fan) last night was. Burress and Eli will be the next Owens and McFlabb.

 

[chinch]

Eli shows no reason to believe that he can read a defense and see the field as required by an NFL QB. Maybe someday he will, but I have my doubts. That is great news for Cowboy fans, given they gave up the house to get him

to question his heart is inappropriate however. he physically looks more like a kid who should be in college than an NFL player also... needs better poise and to bulk up a little.... don't think his teammates don't notice.

 

[JJHLH1]

I think Eli was thrown into the mix too quickly.


IMO, young quarterbacks are thrown to the wolves too early, and I think this retards their learning ability because they don't properly get to evaluate the game and learn the playbook.

And that's why, IMO, Romo is doing so well. He has had three years to study the playbook, make observations from the sidelines and then get accustomed to all the nuances of the game.

Romo was handled old-school style, and from my observation, this approach yields better results than quickly unleashing rookie quarterbacks on hungry, fast veteran defenses.

The Cowboys were fortunate in the sense they had the luxury of bring Romo along slowly. Parcells knows this is the best way to develop a quarterback. The Giants couldn't really do that with Manning, since they paid such a high price for him. Could they justify to thier fans spending all that money, then waiting several years till he was really ready to play?

 

[dogunwo]

The only QB who we have had a shot at drafting was Byron Leftwich

 

[Seven]

The crazy thing is, it was comlpletely unnecessary! What were they? 5-3 when he took over? Stupid coaching, and that's continuing now. They've destroyed his confidence. His receivers go to Florida during training camp, so he doesn't get that work with them, plus they're *******es when they're not getting the ball. He wanted New York, and it appears he can't handle New York.

Bill deserves huge respect for the way he brought Romo along. Romo even acknowledges that. There were plenty of people drooling because they wanted the young QBs out there in garbage games, just for their own edification, and they were wrong.

I agree. Except I think he was willing to play for any one but SD. They had a carousel of QB's with Brees suddenly getting it. Who wants to come out of college and have a 90% chance of sitting? He wouldn't of beaten out Brees or Rivers.
I do believe you nailed it with the poor coaching and his receivers. Plaxico was as bad a pick up as Moss. IMO, Manning would of been better somewhere's else. I'm having serious doubts in Coughlin. I don't think the team respects him and the only one giving effort is Manning.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If we had been fortunate enough to get Eli, he would probably be a much better QB then he is now simply because of the way he would have been brought along. Many have already mentioned it but it's true. Eli has all the ability needed. He just needed to be brought along a bit differently.