Cancer Cured in Canada? Pharma in the Way?

[CowboyMcCoy]

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[jblaze2004]

anyone want to chime in on this. Is there really a cure? I think there is a cure for alot of things but only rich people get word or have the money to buy. Idk I just know a lot of shady stuff go on behind the scenes that alot of us americans do not know about (Sometimes for our own good).

 

[trickblue]

I used to have two well-known health associations as clients and knew their executive leadership on a first name basis...

Their worst nightmare is to have cures to these diseases as the gravy train would then be over... so it wouldn't surprise me...

 

[JBond]

anyone want to chime in on this. Is there really a cure? I think there is a cure for alot of things but only rich people get word or have the money to buy. Idk I just know a lot of shady stuff go on behind the scenes that alot of us americans do not know about (Sometimes for our own good).

Magic Johnson and the disappearing AIDS...

Damn rich people...hoging all the real solutions. I bet Bill Gates lives to be 400 years old.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

There have been a lot of rumors that say Cancer has been beaten. At least, certain forms of it. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, it would be hard to know until the treatment was actually used. There was an article about a year ago that said a cure had been found. Never heard another word about it thou.

Everybody blames the insurance companies but I honestly think it's the folks between the actual Dr. and the Insurance that are making cost sky rocket. I heard a report the other day that said a simple MRI, technology that has been around for years, was like 3 or 4 grand to the insurance company but that the actual cost was in the area of 2 or 3 hundred bucks. That's what's driving costs. Insurance is a license to steal a lot of times.

Think about that for a second.

 

[vta]

Magic Johnson and the disappearing AIDS...

Damn rich people...hoging all the real solutions. I bet Bill Gates lives to be 400 years old.

That doesn't sound like good fortune. He (they) can have it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

I used to have two well-known health associations as clients and knew their executive leadership on a first name basis...

Their worst nightmare is to have cures to these diseases as the gravy train would then be over... so it wouldn't surprise me...

It's also the worst nightmare for humanity in general. We'll overpopulate ourselves right into extinction very quickly if AIDS and cancer death rates drop dramatically among all populations.

But, that isn't really an issue. There isn't a cure for cancer. There are effective treatment options that grow more effective with every passing year, but the idea that one day we will be able to outright "cure" cancer is overly ambitious. Cancer is far too diverse and unpredictable to be right out done away with with a specific drug or even set of drugs.

 

[The30YardSlant]

There have been a lot of rumors that say Cancer has been beaten. At least, certain forms of it. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, it would be hard to know until the treatment was actually used. There was an article about a year ago that said a cure had been found. Never heard another word about it thou.

There are always articles citing "cures", largely to grab headlines but also because the general population doesn't understand the concept of a cure. Curing cancer would involve altering one's DNA at the molecular level, something we can't do in living people. Some cancers are treatable with incredibbly high success rates IF they are caught early AND if judged on the standard 5 year survival rate. For instance, melanoma caught before it penetrates the deeper tissue layers has a 99% 5 year survival rate. However, those who have had a previous melanoma are exponentially more likely to have another and have a much higher risk of dying from cancer at some point than someone who has never had one. Furthermore, anyone who gets any kind of cancer is predispositioned in some way (either genetically or via damage to their genome over time) to getting it and thus has a very good chance of getting it again and dying from it someday.

The point is that we may very well treat most forms of cancer someday with incredibly high effectiveness, but we will never "cure" cancer until we figure otu how to alter genomes and DNA damage in living people. Cancer is a disease with it's roots at the level of transcription and translation.

 

[JBond]

There have been a lot of rumors that say Cancer has been beaten. At least, certain forms of it. Now, I don't know if that's true or not, it would be hard to know until the treatment was actually used. There was an article about a year ago that said a cure had been found. Never heard another word about it thou.

Everybody blames the insurance companies but I honestly think it's the folks between the actual Dr. and the Insurance that are making cost sky rocket. I heard a report the other day that said a simple MRI, technology that has been around for years, was like 3 or 4 grand to the insurance company but that the actual cost was in the area of 2 or 3 hundred bucks. That's what's driving costs. Insurance is a license to steal a lot of times.

Think about that for a second.

Good thing its all fixed now and costs are going to go down when the new regulations kick in.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Good thing its all fixed now and costs are going to go down when the new regulations kick in.

Medical lawsuits make insurence price hiking look like a drop in the bucket. People complain that doctor's make too much and that medical treatment costs too much, but all of that is a direct result of frivalous lawsuits which drive up malpractice costs which drive up insurence costs which drive up medical costs and doctor's salaries.

 

[SultanOfSix]

It's also the worst nightmare for humanity in general. We'll overpopulate ourselves right into extinction very quickly if AIDS and cancer death rates drop dramatically among all populations.

That's such a myth. The Earth is freaking huge. The only thing we might populate ourselves into is being unable to be controlled by some, and that's the real issue.

If there is a cure for AIDS or cancer and it is not being used except for a select few, or not being released to the general public, then those who are doing the latter can go **** themselves.

Magic Johnson supposedly got AIDS 20+ years ago, yet he's doing fine. *** is up with that?

 

[JBond]

Medical lawsuits make insurence price hiking look like a drop in the bucket. People complain that doctor's make too much and that medical treatment costs too much, but all of that is a direct result of frivalous lawsuits which drive up malpractice costs which drive up insurence costs which drive up medical costs and doctor's salaries.

Agree. There are several issues regarding the escalating costs and that is a big one. It is a shame that we have not chosen to implement some real solutions. I am confident more government, more rules, and more taxes are not the solution.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

That's such a myth. The Earth is freaking huge. The only thing we might populate ourselves into is being unable to be controlled by some, and that's the real issue.

If there is a cure for AIDS or cancer and it is not being used except for a select few, or not being released to the general public, then those who are doing the latter can go **** themselves.

Magic Johnson supposedly got AIDS 20+ years ago, yet he's doing fine. *** is up with that?

The size of the earth is not the problem. The resources are. Also, Magic has HIV, not AIDs, and HIV can be treated in most anybody if caught early enough, not just the rich(though that certainly helps considering the costs)

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Cancer survival rates in the US are generally better than those in other countries, including Europe.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/se...l-rates-in-usa-better-than-europe-and-canada/

 

[The30YardSlant]

That's such a myth. The Earth is freaking huge. The only thing we might populate ourselves into is being unable to be controlled by some, and that's the real issue.

The Earth is actually relatively small and several major countries are already suffering from overpopulation. It's not simply a question of size either, it's a question of resources. Curing cancer and AIDS however would cause the global population to move past 50 billion within the next 40 years, and this world simply cannot support that sort of population growth. Too many mouths to feed and too little liveable space.

If there is a cure for AIDS or cancer and it is not being used except for a select few, or not being released to the general public, then those who are doing the latter can go **** themselves.

There isn't so don't worry about it.

Magic Johnson supposedly got AIDS 20+ years ago, yet he's doing fine. *** is up with that?

Magic has HIV, it has not progressed to AIDS yet. He has the money and resources to afford all the best medication which delays the onset, but if he lives long enough he will get it eventually and it will kill him.

 

[Doc50]

:bang2: This is simply paranoid fear-mongering anti-establishment BS.
The business hyerarchy of pharma may be wary of anything that would slow their revenue, but not the scientists. When they work their entire career in search of something significant, that work is documented in objective double-blind clinical studies that must withstand the scrutiny of the scientific community, published in widely read journals and presented at national if not international conventions of experts. This will therefore amount to a huge body of work that will be duplicated and modified by other researchers who attempt to further or disprove the data. The entire process is completely transparent, and the FDA approval process is exhaustingly thorough and laborious in getting any drug or device to market; most fail, and therefore the average cost of R&D for each approved drug is somwhere near $1.2 billion -- hence the high cost of new presciption drugs.

 

[JBond]

:bang2: This is simply paranoid fear-mongering anti-establishment BS.
The business hyerarchy of pharma may be wary of anything that would slow their revenue, but not the scientists. When they work their entire career in search of something significant, that work is documented in objective double-blind clinical studies that must withstand the scrutiny of the scientific community, published in widely read journals and presented at national if not international conventions of experts. This will therefore amount to a huge body of work that will be duplicated and modified by other researchers who attempt to further or disprove the data. The entire process is completely transparent, and the FDA approval process is exhaustingly thorough and laborious in getting any drug or device to market; most fail, and therefore the average cost of R&D for each approved drug is somwhere near $1.2 billion -- hence the high cost of new presciption drugs.

Why are we forced to pay more than Canadians for the exact same drug?

 

[speedkilz88]

Why are we forced to pay more than Canadians for the exact same drug?

Canada buys in bulk and gets a better price.

 

[JBond]

Canada buys in bulk and gets a better price.

Lol. All 27 people in Canada? How many drugs can one person take?

 

[AbeBeta]

Magic Johnson supposedly got AIDS 20+ years ago, yet he's doing fine. *** is up with that?

Johnson has HIV. HIV is not AIDS. HIV leads to AIDS. The average progression from infection with HIV to AIDS is about 10 years but that can be slowed considerably with medication. I expect Johnson being in top physical condition doesn't hurt either.