Cap Question for Adam Hos or any wise person on the board?

[rockj7]

If their isn't going to be a cap next year why not sign Demarcus next year to a big deal with no cap.


Second question that I have is if their isn't any cap in 2010 but their is a cap in 2011 will teams have to cut players to get back under the cap.

Thanks in advance one and all in advance for the wisdom

 

[Hostile]

First, there is no guarantee of an uncapped year. The negotiations will happen and neither side wants a work stoppage. The odds of no cap seem remote and unlikely to me.

Second of all, it makes more sense to conduct business as usual. meaning, you work from the current blueprint, not from speculation.

 

[Hoofbite]

First, there is no guarantee of an uncapped year. The negotiations will happen and neither side wants a work stoppage. The odds of no cap seem remote and unlikely to me.

Second of all, it makes more sense to conduct business as usual. meaning, you work from the current blueprint, not from speculation.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

First, there is no guarantee of an uncapped year. The negotiations will happen and neither side wants a work stoppage. The odds of no cap seem remote and unlikely to me.

Second of all, it makes more sense to conduct business as usual. meaning, you work from the current blueprint, not from speculation.

Well, from my understanding the uncapped year only happens if there isn't a new CBA in place by March 31, 2010. Then we play the 2010 season.

If there isn't a new CBA in place then on March 31, 2011 there is in effect a work stoppage. From my vantage point there are 684 days between now and then.

I'd be surprised if the NFLPA and the NFL really get anything done between now and March 31 2010. The NFLPA has a stronger negotiating position with every day the economy recovers and the NFLPA doesn't suffer from an uncapped year.

Secondarily, the owners or at least some of them favor a soft cap, a rookie salary cap, and changes to the availability of revenue streams with regard to the revenue sharing system.

I really don't see a new agreement in place before 2011. The owners bickering amoungst themselves will probably be enough to derail any new CBA before then.

 

[Silverstar]

Looks like the owners were unanimous and adamant in their decision about another CBA. The 2010 season will be uncapped and if there is an eventual strike, I don't think the owners will budge either. The only solution to a new CBA, might be expanding to an 18 game season. This might create enough revenue to appease the owners into another agreement.

Ware doesn't deserve to wait though, he should be rewarded now IMO.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Looks like the owners were unanimous and adamant in their decision about another CBA. The 2010 season will be uncapped and if there is an eventual strike, I don't think the owners will budge either. The only solution to a new CBA, might be expanding to an 18 game season. This might create enough revenue to appease the owners into another agreement.

Ware doesn't deserve to wait though, he should be rewarded now IMO.

I think the NFLPA won't allow a stoppage. They'll file to decertify before the players will go too long without pay. As Bill Simmons mentioned in an article not too long ago there are a bunch of these millionaire players, no matter how disgusting it may sound to us, still live paycheck to paycheck.

Owners can write off losses to an extent. Players cannot write off unemployment.

Owners most certainly do not want what happened to the NHL. Loss of revenue, and now they've got a team filing for bankruptcy. They've just got done with the lowest rated season since radio was invented.

These billionaires didn't become that way by being stupid. They'll not kill the most valuable sport in the U.S. nor diminish it's impact by holding out and risking a FTC investigation. Baaaaaaaaaaaaad business to let it go that far.

 

[Silverstar]

I think the NFLPA won't allow a stoppage. They'll file to decertify before the players will go too long without pay. As Bill Simmons mentioned in an article not too long ago there are a bunch of these millionaire players, no matter how disgusting it may sound to us, still live paycheck to paycheck.

Owners can write off losses to an extent. Players cannot write off unemployment.

Owners most certainly do not want what happened to the NHL. Loss of revenue, and now they've got a team filing for bankruptcy. They've just got done with the lowest rated season since radio was invented.

These billionaires didn't become that way by being stupid. They'll not kill the most valuable sport in the U.S. nor diminish it's impact by holding out and risking a FTC investigation. Baaaaaaaaaaaaad business to let it go that far.

Stoppage...what stoppage?

I never said there would be a stoppage.

A player strike possibly....a stoppage never.

Ever heard of scrubs?

There are tons of players out there with NFL experience, who don't make final rosters and will play for a living. The owners don't have to pay any player, that simply refuses to show up. The player fines will grow and the so-called games will go on, but there will always be football. Let's just pray it never gets that far.

 

[Silverstar]

Geez, this thread has turned sour.

Too depressing...continue without me fellas.

 

[The Quest for Six]

the owners opted out of the last contract, so they are together, veteran players want a rookie pay scale. there will be NO lockout, the players certainly don't want a lockout. Uncapped doesn't mean uncapped.... a few teams that could afford to pay more for players, most teams could very easily cut their their teams payrol, there woud be no minimum base spending for a team. A team like the bills or cincy could have a team payrol of 30 milion if they wanted, that would surpress players contracts. And all this talk about Guaranteed contracts over the years, players don't want that because they know contracts would be shorter in length and smaller in money... no team would give a contract longer than two or three years, again surpressing dollar amount of the contracts. Players want the big signing bonuses....
There will be a new deal signed with a rookie draft slotted salary cap before a lockout, so all this talk about an uncapped year is moot imo...

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Stoppage...what stoppage?

I never said there would be a stoppage.

A player strike possibly....a stoppage never.

Ever heard of scrubs?

There are tons of players out there with NFL experience, who don't make final rosters and will play for a living. The owners don't have to pay any player, that simply refuses to show up. The player fines will grow and the so-called games will go on, but there will always be football. Let's just pray it never gets that far.

If there's a strike, there won't be scabs out there too long. The NFLPA will probably take legal action to decertify the union and then go after the NFL for federal anti-trust violations.

Like I said, neither side wants that and it won't get that far.

 

[burmafrd]

If the economy does not recover (and recent signs indicate the optimism about that was misplaced) then its the owners with the advantage.

 

[Bleu Star]

He asked for wise people so I think I should chime in. Fortunately, Hos provided the exact same answer I had in mind.