Cap Question

[Teague31]

If we are roughly 5 mil over the cap (thanks Adam), why in the world did we cut Jeff Robinson- whats $800,000 when you aren't over and aren't spending your surplus anyhow? If that money goes into an extension for a young player (witten?) so be it. otherwise I think its a big risk for no reason at all.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If we are roughly 5 mil over the cap (thanks Adam), why in the world did we cut Jeff Robinson- whats $800,000 when you aren't over and aren't spending your surplus anyhow? If that money goes into an extension for a young player (witten?) so be it. otherwise I think its a big risk for no reason at all.

The money saved by keeping Condo can be used next year. The final 53 was all about the bottom line. Saving money for next off season to extend contracts or sign free agents isn't such a bad idea. Obviously BP didn't think the risk of cutting Robinson was that great.

 

[BigDFan5]

If we are roughly 5 mil over the cap (thanks Adam), why in the world did we cut Jeff Robinson- whats $800,000 when you aren't over and aren't spending your surplus anyhow? If that money goes into an extension for a young player (witten?) so be it. otherwise I think its a big risk for no reason at all.

The reason behind it was this was the last year of Robinsons contract, and he would have cost more to resign. They felt the rookie Condo did almost as well as Robinson and did it for league minimum. So they kept the cheapest guy that won't be a FA next year

 

[Hostile]

If we are roughly 5 mil over the cap (thanks Adam), why in the world did we cut Jeff Robinson- whats $800,000 when you aren't over and aren't spending your surplus anyhow? If that money goes into an extension for a young player (witten?) so be it. otherwise I think its a big risk for no reason at all.

Robinson never bought into what Parcells is trying to do. He was the one guy left on the team who was not on the same page as everyone else and he didn't feel he had to be.

 

[junk]

Robinson never bought into what Parcells is trying to do. He was the one guy left on the team who was not on the same page as everyone else and he didn't feel he had to be.

Where did you hear that?

 

[silverbear]

If we are roughly 5 mil over the cap (thanks Adam), why in the world did we cut Jeff Robinson- whats $800,000 when you aren't over and aren't spending your surplus anyhow? If that money goes into an extension for a young player (witten?) so be it. otherwise I think its a big risk for no reason at all.

There are two possible, perhaps likely, uses for that extra cap money-- as you noted, it may well be used to extend the contract of a key player like Witten, or it may also be used to give some semi-outrageous bonuses to current players, thereby freeing up extra money against the cap NEXT year...

This is the way the Iggles have been doing things lately, and is I think a very sound approach to the cap...

 

[Nors]

They are going to save it and roll it into next season.

Thats now 2 seasons we left money on the table. At some point we need to spend it on players..... Its nice to have cap space but its another thing to not address positions in need.

RCB/FS last season - Safety This year.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I heard Robinson was a "cancer".

 

[dbair1967]

Robinson never bought into what Parcells is trying to do. He was the one guy left on the team who was not on the same page as everyone else and he didn't feel he had to be.

:laugh2:

David

 

[Echo9]

The reason behind it was this was the last year of Robinsons contract, and he would have cost more to resign. They felt the rookie Condo did almost as well as Robinson and did it for league minimum. So they kept the cheapest guy that won't be a FA next year

Condo is also alot younger. They figured that the time would eventually come that they would need to get a new Deep-Snapper.

Robinson was both getting up in age and due for a new big contract. They had what looks like a young and good deep-snapper in Condo and did not want to lose him.

Had we chosen Robinson, we would had to start from scratch next year, because Condo would already have been snapping for another team.

 

[Jarv]

Exactly what does Condo do besides deep snap ? Jeff was good for 2 catch's and 2 TD's a year. All he did was catch TD pass's.

 

[Hostile]

Where did you hear that?

When Dale, AdButcher and I were out to dinner the night before the Cardinals game Dale told us this. Needless to say I am not shocked by Robinson's release as Dale is almost always right on the money with this stuff.

 

[JakeCamp12]

You have to wonder what people are thinking, I have never had any athletic talent, but was blessed with brains and common sense. My thinking is, if someone is going to pay me over a million dollars to just snap on punts and extra points/field goals, and maybe play 50 or 60 offensive red zone plays a year I will pick the coach up every morning and have coffee ready for him. To not go along with the program just seems really stupid. I mean you are a special teams deep snapper, is there a need to have an ego???? Just thank God you are lucky enough to be getting paid that kind of money to play 16 games a year. Do what they ask you to do, smile, and say yes Sir! Excuse the rant, but sometimes I wish I was that unlucky to have to be part of a program..... :bang2:

 

[Hostile]

You have to wonder what people are thinking, I have never had any athletic talent, but was blessed with brains and common sense. My thinking is, if someone is going to pay me over a million dollars to just snap on punts and extra points/field goals, and maybe play 50 or 60 offensive red zone plays a year I will pick the coach up every morning and have coffee ready for him. To not go along with the program just seems really stupid. I mean you are a special teams deep snapper, is there a need to have an ego???? Just thank God you are lucky enough to be getting paid that kind of money to play 16 games a year. Do what they ask you to do, smile, and say yes Sir! Excuse the rant, but sometimes I wish I was that unlucky to have to be part of a program..... :bang2:

Great post. Athletes need ego to be successful, but too much ego is an anchor at times.

 

[junk]

They are going to save it and roll it into next season.

Thats now 2 seasons we left money on the table. At some point we need to spend it on players..... Its nice to have cap space but its another thing to not address positions in need.

RCB/FS last season - Safety This year.

Yep, Dwight Smith would have been nice. Of course, he was about the only decent FS prospect the team had a chance at.

 

[Hostile]

Yep, Dwight Smith would have been nice. Of course, he was about the only decent FS prospect the team had a chance at.

I really don't think he gets it. He would prefer the Commanders methods of spending for the sake of spending, instead of spending to build then when you're on the verge of being the best having the money to go get the final piece of the puzzle.

The 2005 off season was a prime example of hwo to build right. Did we plug every hole? Of course not, because the solution to every gap was not available. I'd rather do it that way than to have money tied up on a warm body. Even if that warm body is a slight improvement over what we have.

I'll take impact guys over warm bodies.

 

[junk]

I really don't think he gets it. He would prefer the Commanders methods of spending for the sake of spending, instead of spending to build then when you're on the verge of being the best having the money to go get the final piece of the puzzle.

The 2005 off season was a prime example of hwo to build right. Did we plug every hole? Of course not, because the solution to every gap was not available. I'd rather do it that way than to have money tied up on a warm body. Even if that warm body is a slight improvement over what we have.

I'll take impact guys over warm bodies.

I agree.

I think he is still clinging to Ty Law personally. Even though he whiffed on it, he wants to be able to say "Well, they SHOULD have signed Law like I said, so I was right anyway."

I am very happy with what the team is doing. I would have liked Dwight Smith, but his BB gun incident was kind of disturbing. Some people wanted Sharper, but I wasn't sold on him. Other than that, there wasn't anyone worth signing IMO. Take a chance on a young guy like Davis this year.

People don't understand that smart cap management means rolling money over every year. Its not a use it or lose it thing by any means. Signing Chad Eatons and Eddie Georges won't help anything. Price was kind of a questionable signing IMO as well.

Could the team have signed Ferguson/Henry/Rivera in FA without the extra $5 million from last year? Maybe, but things would be tight. Salary cap space is a nice luxury that shouldn't be thrown away on scrubs.

 

[Hostile]

I agree.

I think he is still clinging to Ty Law personally. Even though he whiffed on it, he wants to be able to say "Well, they SHOULD have signed Law like I said, so I was right anyway."

I am very happy with what the team is doing. I would have liked Dwight Smith, but his BB gun incident was kind of disturbing. Some people wanted Sharper, but I wasn't sold on him. Other than that, there wasn't anyone worth signing IMO. Take a chance on a young guy like Davis this year.

People don't understand that smart cap management means rolling money over every year. Its not a use it or lose it thing by any means. Signing Chad Eatons and Eddie Georges won't help anything. Price was kind of a questionable signing IMO as well.

Could the team have signed Ferguson/Henry/Rivera in FA without the extra $5 million from last year? Maybe, but things would be tight. Salary cap space is a nice luxury that shouldn't be thrown away on scrubs.

Completely agree.

 

[Nors]

Hos - I get Cap mgmt.

I don't get leaving your team screwed depth wise and having major cap left unspent.

We clearly screwed up last year at RCB, FS - leaving coin on the table.

We could have afforded a nice contract out there at FS this offseason - we had to go sign Pile to be our THIRD Safety at season start. Thats bad roster mgmt. And it has trickled down forcinge our fringe offensive guys onto ST.

I do not advocate Snyders approach to FA - But keep making stuff up.

 

[Hostile]

Hos - I get Cap mgmt.

I don't get leaving your team screwed depth wise and having major cap left unspent.

We clearly screwed up last year at RCB, FS - leaving coin on the table.

We could have afforded a nice contract out there at FS this offseason - we had to go sign Pile to be our THIRD Safety at season start. Thats bad roster mgmt. And it has trickled down forcinge our fringe offensive guys onto ST.

I do not advocate Snyders approach to FA - But keep making stuff up.

Clearly you don't.

You're advocating spending money just for the sake of spending it. There isn't an impact player that would solve the gap.

It's silly.