Carson Wentz named NFC offensive player of the week

[Preoccupied]

Dear Carson,

Well done from your favourite fans.


Love Cuthbert runofthemill & Dorothy plainandsimple

xXx

 

[Nova]

He might be miserable.

But he's not exactly wrong. Other than just going homer here, there's a more than decent enough argument to be made for Wentz as the player of the week.

Statistically it wouldn't be a great argument.

Forgetting about the INT, 267 yards passing and 4 passing TDs is a good game, sure. But that's actually a fairly common stat line as it happens roughly once every 14 games since realignment in 2002. Romo's even lost 3 games with that performance or better.

On the other hand, Zeke's performance happens once every 131 games.

Sure it came against the 49ers, but didn't Wentz just play a depleted Commanders team everyone thinks is mediocre anyway? And at home, no less?

Overemphasizing an opponent or w/l record at mid-season is frivolous.

 

[River82]

We did it against an 0-7 team, ranked 16th against the run, and like 28th against the pass.

There was nothing "notable" about what our offense did. It was our easiest week by far this season. Say what you will, the Eagles did what they did against a divisional rival. This is more impressive.

The Eagles did what they did against half a team. That's about as unimpressive as it gets.

Also Wentz was average at best. Anyone who thinks Dak has accuracy issues should have a look at Wentz

 

[JoeKing]

We did it against an 0-7 team, ranked 16th against the run, and like 28th against the pass.

There was nothing "notable" about what our offense did. It was our easiest week by far this season. Say what you will, the Eagles did what they did against a divisional rival. This is more impressive.

So now we have the division foe and the iggles have the 49ers. They better win by at least 30 like we did or it won't be impressive by your own logic.

 

[mattjames2010]

So now we have the division foe and the iggles have the 49ers. They better win by at least 30 like we did or it won't be impressive by your own logic.

Nice spin, chief.

Again, putting up big numbers against one of the leagues worst defenses is not notable. EVEN IF the Eagles have an off week against them, it doesn't somehow prop up what we did against the 49ers. They are a winless team.

Eagles beat a division foe, they are now 3-0 against NFC East. teams. What their offense did was more meaningful and impressive. There is no getting around this.

 

[mattjames2010]

The Eagles did what they did against half a team. That's about as unimpressive as it gets.

Also Wentz was average at best. Anyone who thinks Dak has accuracy issues should have a look at Wentz

LOL Wentz was "average at best" - Just stop, no one other than homers here will agree with you on this.

And LOL

"Half" of a Commanders defense = unimpressive
Beating up on one of the worst defenses in the league = monumental performance

 

[mattjames2010]

Statistically it wouldn't be a great argument.

Forgetting about the INT, 267 yards passing and 4 passing TDs is a good game, sure. But that's actually a fairly common stat line as it happens roughly once every 14 games since realignment in 2002. Romo's even lost 3 games with that performance or better.

On the other hand, Zeke's performance happens once every 131 games.

Sure it came against the 49ers, but didn't Wentz just play a depleted Commanders team everyone thinks is mediocre anyway? And at home, no less?

Overemphasizing an opponent or w/l record at mid-season is frivolous.

Again, there is simply no getting around this.

One happened against one of the worst teams in the league
The other happened against divisional rivals

Wentz didn't just have passing, but he had a great game running. One run that came on a 3rd and 8 in the 4th quarter that eventually led to a TD to help put the Commanders away.

Whether Commanders were "depleted" means nothing here in terms of importance of the game. Even with Commanders having their own problems on defense, the 49ers are still, all around, one of the worst teams in the league - offensively and defensively.

There is no way to spin this and make what we did on Sunday anywhere near important or all that impressive.

And I'm not even saying Wentz had an outstanding game, and I really don't care if he got NFC player of the week or not. At the end of the day, they are beating division rivals and we just beat up on the 49ers. It's as simple as that.

 

[JoeKing]

Nice spin, chief.

Again, putting up big numbers against one of the leagues worst defenses is not notable. EVEN IF the Eagles have an off week against them, it doesn't somehow prop up what we did against the 49ers. They are a winless team.

Eagles beat a division foe, they are now 3-0 against NFC East. teams. What their offense did was more meaningful and impressive. There is no getting around this.

I'm not talking about last week. The iggles don't impress me, chief. I'm just saying since you made the point of the opponent each team was playing matters then since they swapped opponents this week the same should still be true. Our win against the skins should be more impressive to you even if the iggles beat the 49ers by 30 pts.

 

[River82]

LOL Wentz was "average at best" - Just stop, no one other than homers here will agree with you on this.

And LOL

"Half" of a Commanders defense = unimpressive
Beating up on one of the worst defenses in the league = monumental performance

LOL, Wentz was anything other than "average at best" - Just stop, no one other than Dak haters will agree with you.

And LOL,

defeating a team that almost won their previous 5 games was unimpressive, but defeating a team who are currently looking at bums on the street to fill holes in their secondary is a "monumental performance"

 

[mattjames2010]

LOL, Wentz was anything other than "average at best" - Just stop, no one other than Dak haters will agree with you.

And LOL,

defeating a team that almost won their previous 5 games was unimpressive, but defeating a team who are currently looking at bums on the street to fill holes in their secondary is a "monumental performance"

"Almost won" - You can stop trying to one-up me at some point. You have yet to win an argument against me. You are now resorting to "Almost won"? They still have a lackluster offense, now on a backup QB. And a bad defense. Them "almost winning" means nothing, they have lost every game they played.

And I never said anything about the Eagles win being anything monumental, I am responding to people trying to spin it as thought beating the 49ers is more important and impressive than beating a divisional rival....which is a better team, even with a depleted defense. That's how bad the 49ers are.

This is beyond homerism. This is outright cult-like denialism. Anyone that is outside this fanbase that would read this, it would be embarrassing. The arguments are that bad.

 

[River82]

"Almost won" - You can stop trying to one-up me at some point. You have yet to win an argument against me. You are now resorting to "Almost won"? They still have a lackluster offense, now on a backup QB. And a bad defense. Them "almost winning" means nothing, they have lost every game they played.

And I never said anything about the Eagles win being anything monumental, I am responding to people trying to spin it as thought beating the 49ers is more important and impressive than beating a divisional rival....which is a better team, even with a depleted defense. That's how bad the 49ers are.

This is beyond homerism. This is outright cult-like denialism. Anyone that is outside this fanbase that would read this, it would be embarrassing. The arguments are that bad.

I will take the team that has personnel on the field that has almost won their past 5 games over a team that has to field a pack of scrubs not at NFL standard due to injury.

You have lost the vast majority of arguments on this forum, your whining, shouting, crying, and bleating doesn't change that simple fact.

You have no facts, so that you are calling for them is quite hypocritical.

And neither did I say that Dak's performance was "monumental" so if you don't like people putting words in your mouth than you shouldn't do it to others.

 

[mattjames2010]

I'm not talking about last week. The iggles don't impress me, chief. I'm just saying since you made the point of the opponent each team was playing matters then since they swapped opponents this week the same should still be true. Our win against the skins should be more impressive to you even if the iggles beat the 49ers by 30 pts.

You're struggling. Stop trying before your head explodes.

If the Eagles beat the 49ers, it won't be impressive. I don't care if they put 100 points on the 49ers, they would also just be beating a winless team. Playing the 49ers is the closest you'll get to a preseason game in the regular season, they are that bad and they are getting worse. You'll probably have it easier against the Browns.

Again, I have yet to say the Eagles beat a great team. I'm talking about in terms of important games and who the Eagles faced and who we faced, they had the more impressive win. If it's flipped, and the Eagles beat the 49ers and we beat Commanders....we would have the more impressive win for the week.

But it's a pointless argument, we are talking about this week and the reason why Wentz got NFC player of the week.

 

[mattjames2010]

I will take the team that has personnel on the field that has almost won their past 5 games over a team that has to field a pack of scrubs not at NFL standard due to injury.

You have lost the vast majority of arguments on this forum, your whining, shouting, crying, and bleating doesn't change that simple fact.

You have no facts, so that you are calling for them is quite hypocritical.

And neither did I say that Dak's performance was "monumental" so if you don't like people putting words in your mouth than you shouldn't do it to others.

Then stop pretending the win against the 49ers was impressive. Be realistic, we beat a very bad team - in every statistical category, they are ranked outside the top 15 or top 20.

And you continue to talk about the Commanders being depleted, dude, do you not understand the 49ers are fielding scrubs as starters every week on both sides of the ball, outside of a couple players?

Thomas - Rookie
Foster - Rookie
Harold - ranked #53 out of all LBs
Robinson - #106 ranked out of all DBs
Armstrong - #66 out of all LBs
Reid - Bust, ranked #83
Ward - #69 ranked
Johnson - #86th ranked

Not like we went up against a stud defense. Actually, nearly every level of that defense is absolutely terrible or very young. The offense may be even worse for the 49ers.

Again, just stop. You can try to spin this and make the win out to be more than what it really was, but IN TERMS OF IMPORTANCE, the Eagles beating the Commanders was simply better. The most we can hope for from our win is that it built up some of our players confidence. That's really all that positives we can pull from that game.

 

[JoeKing]

You're struggling. Stop trying before your head explodes.

If the Eagles beat the 49ers, it won't be impressive. I don't care if they put 100 points on the 49ers, they would also just be beating a winless team. Playing the 49ers is the closest you'll get to a preseason game in the regular season, they are that bad and they are getting worse. You'll probably have it easier against the Browns.

Again, I have yet to say the Eagles beat a great team. I'm talking about in terms of important games and who the Eagles faced and who we faced, they had the more impressive win. If it's flipped, and the Eagles beat the 49ers and we beat Commanders....we would have the more impressive win for the week.

But it's a pointless argument, we are talking about this week and the reason why Wentz got NFC player of the week.

Why is this an argument to you? I'm not not struggling to do anything. The iggles lost to KC and Carolina is not an impressive team to beat and neither are the skins. I don't know why you are so impressed by the iggles.

 

[mattjames2010]

Why is this an argument to you? I'm not not struggling to do anything. The iggles lost to KC and Carolina is not an impressive team to beat and neither are the skins. I don't know why you are so impressed by the iggles.

....WHERE did I say I'm "so impressed"? I don't think they are a Super Bowl team like some are stating.

I am saying THAT WIN is more impressive than beating the freakin' 49ers who are essentially in rebuilding mode. But as of now, the Eagles are 6-1, 3-0 against division teams. They pu themselves in a good position, to have an off week. While we dropped games and will have to go on a streak to either win the division or get a WC spot.

I'm not praising the Eagles, I'm countering blind homerism and ridiculous claims like we just knocked out the 80s 49ers.

 

[Nova]

Again, there is simply no getting around this.

One happened against one of the worst teams in the league
The other happened against divisional rivals

Wentz didn't just have passing, but he had a great game running. One run that came on a 3rd and 8 in the 4th quarter that eventually led to a TD to help put the Commanders away.

Whether Commanders were "depleted" means nothing here in terms of importance of the game. Even with Commanders having their own problems on defense, the 49ers are still, all around, one of the worst teams in the league - offensively and defensively.

There is no way to spin this and make what we did on Sunday anywhere near important or all that impressive.

And I'm not even saying Wentz had an outstanding game, and I really don't care if he got NFC player of the week or not. At the end of the day, they are beating division rivals and we just beat up on the 49ers. It's as simple as that.

I don't think I'm trying to spin anything.

Most (except you) agree that Zeke's performance is statistically more special than Wentz by a wide margin.

The ONLY argument you're making boils down to "pretty good performance against a weak div rival > outstanding performance against a weaker team".

The point everyone is making is more important =/= more impressive and an outstanding performance trumps a pretty good one every time.

If the points you're trying to make were actually important to you, you would have come to this thread arguing for Derek Carr who had a better game than Wentz against a tougher divisional foe.

But alas, you just like to disagree with Cowboys fans when anything positive happens.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't think I'm trying to spin anything.

Most (except you) agree that Zeke's performance is statistically more special than Wentz by a wide margin.

The ONLY argument you're making boils down to "pretty good performance against a weak div rival > outstanding performance against a weaker team".

The point everyone is making is more important =/= more impressive and an outstanding performance trumps a pretty good one every time.

If the points you're trying to make were actually important to you, you would have come to this thread arguing for Derek Carr who had a better game than Wentz against a tougher divisional foe.

But alas, you just like to disagree with Cowboys fans when anything positive happens.

Zeke had a really good game, against a defense with multiple defenders ranked near the bottom at their positions. This...is important to factor in. A lot of the players the 49ers are fielding would be role players or on the bench on most other teams, that's how bad the defense is. It's like using what players did to our defense in 2013.

And poppycock on the "it was more impressive" - I already posted the rankings of these defensive players. Again, it is not impressive shredding a piss poor defense. And I don't need to make the argument, votes already put Wentz ahead of Zeke - so my argument won out, now didn't it?

A QB putting up 4 TD passes and 68 yards running on a divisional rival is simply more impressive than an RB having a big game against a defense fielding nothing but scrubs and rookies after losing the defensive captain/playcaller.

This "special performance" by Zeke won't be remembered. Why? Because it came in a meaningless game against a trash defense.

And Derek Carr is in the AFC, and yes, I think his performance was better than the Wentz and Amari Cooper performance. I didn't argue Wentz had the best performance, I am saying what Wentz did was more impressive than Zeke.

 

[Sydla]

The Eagles did what they did against half a team. That's about as unimpressive as it gets.

Also Wentz was average at best. Anyone who thinks Dak has accuracy issues should have a look at Wentz

This is why it's hard to take some of you seriously. You have nothing but giant blue and silver goggles on.

How anyone could watch that Skins game and say Wentz was "average at best" shows a complete and utter inability to be rational and unbiased. Sure, if you want to think Dak had a better weekend, fine. Or Elliott had a better game, fine. But to say Wentz was basically an average QB this past weekend is hilarious.

 

[Sydla]

So now we have the division foe and the iggles have the 49ers. They better win by at least 30 like we did or it won't be impressive by your own logic.

There is going to be a monsoon during the Eagles/49ers game. Likely won't be much scoring in that game if the rain is going to be as hard as they are claiming.

Just a FYI in case anyone actually tries to use this logic after this weekend.

 

[Sydla]

LOL, Wentz was anything other than "average at best" - Just stop, no one other than Dak haters will agree with you.

And LOL,

defeating a team that almost won their previous 5 games was unimpressive, but defeating a team who are currently looking at bums on the street to fill holes in their secondary is a "monumental performance"

I like Dak. I think mattjames is ridiculously hard on Prescott.

But to say Wentz was average at best Monday night might be one of the moronic things a football fan could say.