Carson Wentz - tell me more

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I really have not followed and know little about him other than he has good size, played in Division 1-A and is getting a lot of hype.

How was he as the Senior Bowl?

What insights can you share?

Thanks!
 

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1. Showered with praise after three very good days of practice and a solid showing in the Senior Bowl game, quarterback Carson Wentz was even more impressive in closed-door meetings with coaches and general managers. I’m told he knocked it out of the park during interviews as personnel people around the league who interviewed Wentz were awed by his knowledge of X’s and O’s. The belief is the North Dakota State product, who was a 4.0 student in college, should have no problem running a multiple formation offense on Sundays and coaches love his upside.

2. Though he didn’t attend the Senior Bowl, Christian Hackenberg is another signal-caller whose upside potential excites NFL decision-makers. Some eyebrows were raised when Hackenberg left for the NFL Draft after two dismal seasons, but the situation at Penn State was untenable for him. He offers the physical skills to start on Sunday and teams truly believe with proper coaching he’ll reach his potential in the NFL, something Hackenberg would’ve never achieved on the college level. No one I’ve spoken with in the past two months believes Hackenberg will drop out of the draft’s top 75 picks.

3. Is it possible two quarterbacks will be top five selections in April? The answer from league insiders is “yes” with Carson Wentz and Jared Goff filling theslots. Wentz is watching his draft stock move north after the Senior Bowl and many believe the Combine is the perfect setting for Goff to show off his talents. Assuming he participates in Combine workouts, one insider told me they expect Goff to, “throw the hell out of the ball and be on the mark with all his passes.”

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/n...Top-Five/7b8db6dd-4100-4fd9-901a-dafcec710e09
 

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Feel free to move this to the Draft Zone at the right point.

I really have not followed and know little about him other than he has good size, played in Division 1-A and is getting a lot of hype.

How was he as the Senior Bowl?

What insights can you share?

Thanks!


I think we will have a great draft or a awful draft depending on if we get him or not.

We have to get Wentz. This entire draft is about coming away with him.
 

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Feel free to move this to the Draft Zone at the right point.

I really have not followed and know little about him other than he has good size, played in Division 1-A and is getting a lot of hype.

How was he as the Senior Bowl?

What insights can you share?

Thanks!

Drop in on Bisonville dot com..........a 580 page thread that covers his 4 years at NDSU on there......
 

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Important points (IMO) are bolded.

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Link: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz-scouting-report


Background: A no-star quarterback recruit, Wentz was vastly overlooked throughout the recruitment process because he played wide receiver and linebacker as a junior in high school (due to baseball injuries) before starting at quarterback as a senior in 2010. He received offers from a handful of FCS-level teams and Central Michigan, the only FBS program to recruit him, but Wentz stuck to his commitment to nearby North Dakota State, where his brother played baseball. After redshirting in 2011, he saw limited playing time as Brock Jensen’s back-up as a redshirt freshman and sophomore. Wentz became the starter in 2014 and led the Bison to the FCS National Title with 63.7 percent completions, 3,111 passing yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-America honors. He started the first six games as a senior before a throwing wrist injury sidelined him for the second half of the 2015 season, returning for the FCS National Championship Game. Wentz finished the season with 62.5% completions, 1,651 passing yards, 17 touchdowns and four interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

Strengths: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame … above average arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity -- can make all the necessary NFL throws … tight release, especially for a player with his long arms … shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork…functional athleticism in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays -- throws well moving to his left and his right … has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions … shows the ability to recognize defensive coverages and blitzes, changing the play at the line -- reliable field vision pre and post snap … very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills -- four-time All-Conference honor roll recipient (4.0 GPA) and unprecedented three-time recipient of the NCAA Elite 90 Award … physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits ... great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured … set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior … consistent winner with a 20-3 career record as a starter and five-time FCS National Champion (twice as a starter).

Weaknesses: Locks onto reads and needs to develop his eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders … improved passing anticipation, but still improving his feel for timing routes -- tick late and needs to speed up his reads … downfield and deep accuracy is inconsistent, leading or underthrowing … bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into tight coverage … needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away -- 10 fumbles the last two years … on the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance … over-sets in his base at times due to his longer legs…lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition -- 22 of 23 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at IowaState: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns) … missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015), but did return for the 2015 FCS Championship Game, leading his team to victory.

Summary: A two-year starter, Wentz thrived in North Dakota State’s wide-open offense, taking snaps from under center and shotgun with several pro-style reads, including left-to-right and high-to-low progressions. He didn’t consistently face top competition at the FCS level, but performed well in high pressure situations, including the 2014 and 2015 FCS National Championship Games (NDSU won both). He was only a 5-foot-8, 125 pound freshman in high school and didn’t start at quarterback until his senior year, causing him to go under-recruited (similar path as Ben Roethlisberger).

Although his internal clock and eye use need maturing, Wentz performs well within structure with his strong arm and touch, but can also improvise when the play breaks down, stretching out his legs to pick up chunk yardage if it’s there (1,028 career rushing yards). He possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions. Comparing favorably to a "souped up" version of Alex Smith, Wentz is the top senior passer in the 2016 draft class and worthy of the first round, although ideally needs a redshirt year as a rookie.
 

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To sum up my post above, he's an outstanding prospect with loads of potential.

He has a lower floor than some of the other prospects, but (in my opinion) an incredibly high ceiling.

He needs time to work on his decision making, staring at receivers, and knowing when to just throw it away and live to fight another day (sound familiar?).

Based on potential and ceiling and not ability to come in and play Day 1, he's the best QB prospect in this draft (in my opinion). Goff has a higher floor and is more ready to come in and play now, but I feel that Wentz will have the better career.
 

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Taken from CBSSports.

Important points (IMO) are bolded.

Hope you find this useful.

Link: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft...-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz-scouting-report


Background: A no-star quarterback recruit, Wentz was vastly overlooked throughout the recruitment process because he played wide receiver and linebacker as a junior in high school (due to baseball injuries) before starting at quarterback as a senior in 2010. He received offers from a handful of FCS-level teams and Central Michigan, the only FBS program to recruit him, but Wentz stuck to his commitment to nearby North Dakota State, where his brother played baseball. After redshirting in 2011, he saw limited playing time as Brock Jensen’s back-up as a redshirt freshman and sophomore. Wentz became the starter in 2014 and led the Bison to the FCS National Title with 63.7 percent completions, 3,111 passing yards, 25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions, earning All-America honors. He started the first six games as a senior before a throwing wrist injury sidelined him for the second half of the 2015 season, returning for the FCS National Championship Game. Wentz finished the season with 62.5% completions, 1,651 passing yards, 17 touchdowns and four interceptions. He accepted his invitation to the 2016 Senior Bowl.

Strengths: Looks the part with a tall, workable frame … above average arm strength to deliver downfield with required velocity -- can make all the necessary NFL throws … tight release, especially for a player with his long arms … shifts his weight well in the pocket to work through the noise and keep his hand on the trigger, maneuvering under duress with improved footwork…functional athleticism in the pocket and as a scrambler, avoiding rushers and extending plays -- throws well moving to his left and his right … has a pre-snap plan and moves efficiently from target-to-target, making sound decisions … shows the ability to recognize defensive coverages and blitzes, changing the play at the line -- reliable field vision pre and post snap … very smart on and off the field with excellent retention and execution skills -- four-time All-Conference honor roll recipient (4.0 GPA) and unprecedented three-time recipient of the NCAA Elite 90 Award … physically and mentally tough with professional poise and work habits ... great teammate and was an extra coach on the sideline while injured … set school single season records for completions (228) and passing yards (3,111) as a junior … consistent winner with a 20-3 career record as a starter and five-time FCS National Champion (twice as a starter).

Weaknesses: Locks onto reads and needs to develop his eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders … improved passing anticipation, but still improving his feel for timing routes -- tick late and needs to speed up his reads … downfield and deep accuracy is inconsistent, leading or underthrowing … bad habit of pre-determining throws and forcing the ball into tight coverage … needs to understand when the play is over and throw the ball away -- 10 fumbles the last two years … on the move too much, even with a clean pocket, and will attempt throws without setting his base or coming to balance … over-sets in his base at times due to his longer legs…lacks ideal starting experience for the position with questions about level of competition -- 22 of 23 career starts came against FCS competition (one FBS opponent was at IowaState: 18-for-28 for 204 yards, no touchdowns) … missed second half of 2015 season due to a broken right wrist, requiring surgery (Oct. 2015), but did return for the 2015 FCS Championship Game, leading his team to victory.

Summary: A two-year starter, Wentz thrived in North Dakota State’s wide-open offense, taking snaps from under center and shotgun with several pro-style reads, including left-to-right and high-to-low progressions. He didn’t consistently face top competition at the FCS level, but performed well in high pressure situations, including the 2014 and 2015 FCS National Championship Games (NDSU won both). He was only a 5-foot-8, 125 pound freshman in high school and didn’t start at quarterback until his senior year, causing him to go under-recruited (similar path as Ben Roethlisberger).

Although his internal clock and eye use need maturing, Wentz performs well within structure with his strong arm and touch, but can also improvise when the play breaks down, stretching out his legs to pick up chunk yardage if it’s there (1,028 career rushing yards). He possesses a NFL-style skill-set with his size, athleticism and arm talent, including the field vision to work through reads and make sound decisions. Comparing favorably to a "souped up" version of Alex Smith, Wentz is the top senior passer in the 2016 draft class and worthy of the first round, although ideally needs a redshirt year as a rookie.

Locks onto reads and needs to develop his eye use, staring down targets and leading defenders

I'm unsure why this isn't a huge red flag for a top 10-15 prospect. This is not something I want to be seeing went watching film on a player and reading in scouting reports. His scrambling ability is intriguing, but stuff like that is secondary in a league that has proven time and time again a QB must be able to throw from the pocket to be successful.
 

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I'm unsure why this isn't a huge red flag for a top 10-15 prospect. This is not something I want to be seeing went watching film on a player and reading in scouting reports. His scrambling ability is intriguing, but stuff like that is secondary in a league that has proven time and time again a QB must be able to throw from the pocket to be successful.

It is a huge red flag, hence the reason he's not being talked about universally as the best QB in the draft, or in recent years. There are several QB needy teams that want to win now, and Wentz is not ready to come in and start. He most definitely needs time on the bench to watch Romo and learn what to do and what not to do. Something like staring down receivers can be fixed though, with time.

Note that this is all my opinion and I am not a professional coach or QB trainer or anything like that, but I feel there are things that can be "coached up" or "coached out" of a player and there are things that can't.

You can't teach or fix arm strength, height, hand size, intelligence, throwing motion, or that intangible sixth sense that Romo has that turns him into Houdini. I think that other things can be fixed or "coached out" of a player. Things like footwork, staring down receivers, decision making, etc.

Basically, I think that Wentz's shortcomings can be fixed with time. He has all of the physical traits and the mental makeup you look for in a potential franchise caliber QB.

If you wait for a perfect QB to come along, you'll never have a team. Every guy has their own warts; it's just a matter of whether you believe they can be removed or worked around.

Now, do we have the staff necessary to bring along a guy like Wentz and set him up for success?

Who knows.
 

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I dont like Wentz at #4 at all, no sir-ee.......Trade back to before #13 and get him? Sure, why not?
 

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2016 Senior Bowl
* 2015, 2016 NCAA Division I Championship Game Most Outstanding Player
* 2014 College Sporting News Fab 50 All-America
* 2014 College Sporting News FCS Playoff MVP
* 2014, 2015 All-MVFC Honorable Mention
* 2015 MVFC Offensive Player of the Week
* 2015 NCAA Elite 90 Award
* 2013, 2014 NCAA Elite 89 Award
* 2015 CoSIDA Academic All-American of the Year
* 2014, 2015 CoSIDA Academic All-America First Team
* 2014, 2015 CoSIDA Academic All-District
* 2014, 2015 MVFC All-Academic First Team
* 2012, 2013 MVFC Commissioner's Academic Excellence Award
* 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 MVFC Honor Roll

Two-year team captain for the 2014 and 2015 NCAA Division I FCS national champions...Went 20-3 as a starter missed eight games his senior year with a broken wrist but came back to start the national championship game...First North Dakota native to quarterback the Bison to a national championship...As a first-year starter, rallied the Bison out of a 14-0 deficit in the season-opening win at Iowa State and orchestrated two late game-winning drives in the playoffs...Intelligent player who poses a dual threat to opposing defenses with good speed and a strong arm...Finished third in NDSU history for career passing attempts (612), completions (392), yards (5115), touchdowns (45), completion percentage (.641) and pass efficiency rating (153.9)...Also fifth in NDSU history with 6,143 yards of total offense.

the kid is JUST A WINNER INO

knows how to win games
 

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Went 20-3 as a starter

the kid is JUST A WINNER INO

knows how to win games

Check out NDSU record in 2011, 2012, 2013 and the games he missed in 2015. Not saying he isn't a winner, but his record is a bit misleading
 

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To sum up my post above, he's an outstanding prospect with loads of potential.

He has a lower floor than some of the other prospects, but (in my opinion) an incredibly high ceiling.

He needs time to work on his decision making, staring at receivers, and knowing when to just throw it away and live to fight another day (sound familiar?).

Based on potential and ceiling and not ability to come in and play Day 1, he's the best QB prospect in this draft (in my opinion). Goff has a higher floor and is more ready to come in and play now, but I feel that Wentz will have the better career.

Thanks for sharing. I know the Boys need more and if they think, he could be the future, then draft him. They may not pick this early in the draft again for awhile. He can sit 2-3 seasons and potentially be a 10 year starter after that, if he adjusts to the NFL.
 

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Thanks for sharing. I know the Boys need more and if they think, he could be the future, then draft him. They may not pick this early in the draft again for awhile. He can sit 2-3 seasons and potentially be a 10 year starter after that, if he adjusts to the NFL.

Agreed. The fact that his biggest red flags are correctable things that just require some time to fix is a wonderful thing. He has the physical tools, intangibles, leadership ability, character, mental ability, and work ethic you need in a QB.
 

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Evidently Wentz has impressed now with talk that Cleveland may take him over Goff. I would love to get Wentz as well but would love to get Goff as well
 

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Evidently Wentz has impressed now with talk that Cleveland may take him over Goff. I would love to get Wentz as well but would love to get Goff as well

I would not be upset with Goff at all. With Romo's health being a large unknown, it might very well be better to bring in a guy that can play decently year 1. I'd rather have Wentz and a vet backup, but Goff is a very nice consolation prize.
 

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I would not be upset with Goff at all. With Romo's health being a large unknown, it might very well be better to bring in a guy that can play decently year 1. I'd rather have Wentz and a vet backup, but Goff is a very nice consolation prize.

As I have said before even if Romo was not dealing with these injuries we are still looking at a 36 year old QB. I think given the opportunity to take one of the top QB in the draft does not come along very often or at least you hope it does not come around often. I think the time is now to prepare for the future, I still think there is a lot of talent on this team and with some additions through FA and the remainder of the draft I think the Cowboys can compete now and still make this move to get ready for life after Romo
 
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