CB's and OLB's in the draft

[fortdick]

I have been spending a lot of time in the Draft Zone lately, and I am amused at how fast people latch onto a player and want him to be taken with our number one pick. It seems everytime ESPN of some sort of info source mentions a name, that person is everyone's choice for number one.

The latest rage seems to be Patrick Peterson, CB from LSU. No doubt as good a CB as we could see coming out this season. However....

I, for one, am not yet ready to give up on Jenkins and Scandrick. The bad play last year was, in my opinion, poor coaching as much as anything. I just can't believe that Jenkins went so bad so fast.

Newman is solid and can be for a couple more years. IIRC, Jenkins was a first and Scandrick a second. Newman was a first. How long we going to keep taking CB's in the first round? The picks have been spent on the players we have and they need to be coached. I don't see Peterson as an improvement right away, although in three years he could step over Scandrick and become Newman's replacement.

I don't see CB as such a great need as FS, OT, OG, or ILB.

Spencer will be fine. He always has to play the strong side to give Ware free run at the QB.

Spears is solid against the run, even if the pass rush could improve.

I believe Columbo might even be much improved after a year of conditioning (if you rememeber, he was down all of last of season with the broken leg and could not really work out as he should have). That being said, I believe we have to start looking for his replacement right now.

Brooking is fading, but Sean Lee has showed promise. Depth at ILB is more important than OLB.

SO, basically, OT and OG are more important than either CB or OLB (for all you Quinn fans). FS may be more important than either, but solid FS's don't have to be taken in the first round.

I would go Carmini or Solder at #9 and Wisniewski at #40, and look for a free agent like Huff for FS.

 

[skinsscalper]

I have been spending a lot of time in the Draft Zone lately, and I am amused at how fast people latch onto a player and want him to be taken with our number one pick. It seems everytime ESPN of some sort of info source mentions a name, that person is everyone's choice for number one.

The latest rage seems to be Patrick Peterson, CB from LSU. No doubt as good a CB as we could see coming out this season. However....

I, for one, am not yet ready to give up on Jenkins and Scandrick. The bad play last year was, in my opinion, poor coaching as much as anything. I just can't believe that Jenkins went so bad so fast.

Newman is solid and can be for a couple more years. IIRC, Jenkins was a first and Scandrick a second. Newman was a first. How long we going to keep taking CB's in the first round? The picks have been spent on the players we have and they need to be coached. I don't see Peterson as an improvement right away, although in three years he could step over Scandrick and become Newman's replacement.

I don't see CB as such a great need as FS, OT, OG, or ILB.

Spencer will be fine. He always has to play the strong side to give Ware free run at the QB.

Spears is solid against the run, even if the pass rush could improve.

I believe Columbo might even be much improved after a year of conditioning (if you rememeber, he was down all of last of season with the broken leg and could not really work out as he should have). That being said, I believe we have to start looking for his replacement right now.

Brooking is fading, but Sean Lee has showed promise. Depth at ILB is more important than OLB.

SO, basically, OT and OG are more important than either CB or OLB (for all you Quinn fans). FS may be more important than either, but solid FS's don't have to be taken in the first round.

I would go Carmini or Solder at #9 and Wisniewski at #40, and look for a free agent like Huff for FS.

If we take either player at #9 I'm going to freaking puke! I don't mind if we take them with our first pick but it better be way lower than freaking #9.

 

[polinskijr]

Every highlight I watched of Solder is not good. He is not at all comfortable against speed rushers; he is a late 1st round pick, im my opinion. Carimi is an excellent choice, but again, not at #9 (way too high). I believe Dallas would be best served getting a D-lineman, such as Cam Jordan at that spot. If folks are enamoured with Robert Quinn, then I'm fine taking him there. I don't think we should draft at #9 just to take a player there. In this draft, I believe the best value is #20-#40 or so. If we had to trade down, we could still get the OT you want, and then get an extra pick. Honestly, I do agree our most needed positions are the offensive line and safety. You make an excellent point about the corners.

 

[lostinomiya]

Can understand the reasoning but have got to want to move back from #9 if you are going for a OL.....Carimi around 19, Wis at 40, ? at 2B and D Williams in 3rd....

 

[Marktui]

I believe Columbo might even be much improved after a year of conditioning (if you rememeber, he was down all of last of season with the broken leg and could not really work out as he should have). That being said, I believe we have to start looking for his replacement right now.

SO, basically, OT and OG are more important than either CB or OLB (for all you Quinn fans). FS may be more important than either, but solid FS's don't have to be taken in the first round.

I would go Carmini or Solder at #9 and Wisniewski at #40, and look for a free agent like Huff for FS.

I agree with most of your post, but sad to say Columbo's knees are shot. No offseason conditioning could help his arthritic knees. He just doesn't have the foot speed and balance anymore. We cannot afford to keep TE's and backs to help out our tackles, it just hampers the offense too much. Carimi, Solder, Costanzo, Sherrod and Ijalana are all good prospects, but are they worthy of the 9 pick? If we stay at 9, it would be better value to go after one of the DL that are out there. Jordan, Quinn, Smith, Clayborn.

Trade down is a possibility, but someone below us must fall in love with a player to give up a 2nd round pick to us. It's an option but you just can't count on it till draft day.

It could all hinge on Free Agency also. If we bring in a vet right tackle we can draft interior OL such as Pouncy, Wisnewski, Watkins, Ijalana.

My choice is Sherrod. He doesn't have the big school like the others, but he is athletic and has quickness and balance for pass protection.

 

[CowboyManDan]

Newman is solid and can be for a couple more years. IIRC, Jenkins was a first and Scandrick a second.

Scandrick was a 5th round pick actually. Great pick for a 5th.

I agree Newman can still be solid. But he's very expensive now too.

If we move Ball back to CB, which I believe we should. Then I don't think we should take a corner on the 1st day.

 

[theogt]

Patrick Peterson has been a favorite of many on the board for months. It's not some passing fad like you describe it.

And I want him to play free safety.

 

[johnnyd]

Patrick Peterson has been a favorite of many on the board for months. It's not some passing fad like you describe it.

And I want him to play free safety.

If PP is indeed a FS then and we draft him then i think this will tell us where we are with AOA's learning curve . I was hoping he would be ready to compete for the FS spot this year if not game 1 then as the season goes on. Some of the AOA extremeists on this board will be upset by this pick

 

[theogt]

If PP is indeed a FS then and we draft him then i think this will tell us where we are with AOA's learning curve . I was hoping he would be ready to compete for the FS spot this year if not game 1 then as the season goes on. Some of the AOA extremeists on this board will be upset by this pick

Who cares? He's a small school project that was lucky to get picked in the 4th round. How many times do those guys turn out? If anyone is counting on him being the answer, we're in trouble.

 

[burmafrd]

Who is to say that Peterson will be a top FS? He has not played the position. FS requires instincts and clear recognition of plays. Cannot say that Peterson has shown that.

 

[The Natural]

Who cares? He's a small school project that was lucky to get picked in the 4th round. How many times do those guys turn out? If anyone is counting on him being the answer, we're in trouble.

AOA hasnt even been given a chance..Lets get him through a full training camp healthy before we say he isnt the guy.

 

[theogt]

Who is to say that Peterson will be a top FS? He has not played the position. FS requires instincts and clear recognition of plays. Cannot say that Peterson has shown that.

You can't because you haven't watched him play.

 

[theogt]

AOA hasnt even been given a chance..Lets get him through a full training camp healthy before we say he isnt the guy.

Let's let him show he's even remotely close to being possibly the guy before relying on him.

 

[The Natural]

Let's let him show he's even remotely close to being possibly the guy before relying on him.

Didnt I just say that

 

[theogt]

Didnt I just say that

No, what you said was quite different.

 

[JBS]

I am set on developing from inside out...I would be cool with drafting Dareus or Cam Jordan at 9...or trading down and selecting an OT..I wouldnt be upset at all if we took Miller or Quinn either..

 

[burmafrd]

You can't because you haven't watched him play.

Yes I have. I do not consider him a top 10 pick at any position. Yes he is a great athlete but I have not seen much game changing from him. As regards returns, we already have Dez. The skills needed for a top FS are different from what a CB has, but frankly I have not seen that much from him at CB either.

 

[fortdick]

Can understand the reasoning but have got to want to move back from #9 if you are going for a OL.....Carimi around 19, Wis at 40, ? at 2B and D Williams in 3rd....

Agree with Carmini being a reach at 9. I think Wis at 40 is not a reach. He is a center and they don't go cheap. We may use as a guard, but having the option would be great.

Patrick Peterson has been a favorite of many on the board for months. It's not some passing fad like you describe it.

And I want him to play free safety.

So you would take a corner at 9, then move him to FS? That doesn't seem well thought through.

And I understand people have been talking about him for weeks, but just lately everyone puts him as #1 in their mocks. The week before everyone was drooling obver Quinn. The week before that Carmini or Smith.

Wiat ESPN is going to talk draft. Its going to change again.

 

[fortdick]

Yes I have. I do not consider him a top 10 pick at any position. Yes he is a great athlete but I have not seen much game changing from him. As regards returns, we already have Dez. The skills needed for a top FS are different from what a CB has, but frankly I have not seen that much from him at CB either.

Queue the "punt returning is too dangerous for our dangerous punt returner" flames.

 

[acer941]

Did everyone just forget about Bryan McCan?