CFP thread

[Robbieac]

No team with more than one loss should ever be in
and your SOS has to be above a certain level

Do you realize with your criteria, Notre Dame would only have made the playoffs about 2 times in the past 30+ years? And they wouldn’t have even made it in this year with your criteria.

 

[atlantacowboy]

A 64 team field would require 6 EXTRA games to determine a champion and that is with no bye weeks (all 64 teams play the first round). That isn't feasible, it's almost another full season. Plus college & NFL have had a long understanding about staying out of each others way as much as possible. Having college & NFL playoffs & finals bleeding that late into January, early February would hurt both. 12 teams is sufficient especially if you put 12 deserving teams in to begin with.

So what? These guys are getting paid to play now. Who cares how many weeks they have to play?

The NFL doesn't care about college football. They dwarf college football. The Cowboys alone routinely draw more viewers than the CFP final. Its very different fan bases. As long as college football is making money, they shouldn't worry about the NFL. The CFP exists and continues expanding bc of the money. So far, bigger is better. Where you want to draw the line is another debate.

I remember when sports reporter and media used to crown the champion with a vote. It was rarely ever determined on the field. NCAA footaball has come a long way.

 

[atlantacowboy]

for those that worship the almighty dollar
for those the want to see real competition its garbage

and even more games for college players to get hurt in

but of course none of that matters

I honestly thought that the total should never be above 8. And likce the BCS only improved. All done by metrics and formulas no corrupt committee members.

There is NEVER more than that many teams that REALLY do deserve to be part of it


No team with more than one loss should ever be in
and your SOS has to be above a certain level

Oh , you are worried about injuries. Maybe we shouldn't play football at all so nobody gets hurt. lol

These guys are getting paid now. This isn't student-athlete amateur football anymore. I think they should expand it 16. We need to start the playoff sooner and thats pretty obvious with top 4 seeds now sporting a 1-7 record.

 

[BoysForLife]

Anyone believing this post, I have a bridge for sale in Brooklyn...

I believe him

@Robbieac is a pretty straight shooter

Now, whether you agree with him or not is another matter. But he'll tell you exactly how he views a situation, in no uncertain terms. My advice, don't take it so personally

In the Sherrone Moore thread a few weeks ago you were crapping all over Michigan. I'm an alumni and a lifelong Wolverine fan. I didn't agree with your takes but I didn't take it personally. Like I said, I don't blame you. If something like that happened to ND or OSU or Mich State, I'd be laughing like heck as well. Comes with the territory in a rivalry. When Ohio State got slapped around by Miami a couple nights ago, I visited the Eleven Warriors site and experienced some of the most savory schadenfreude I've tasted in quite some time. Laughed my head off reading their misery. Loved every second of it.

You think the Stalions deal was big time news. I don't. Whatever. What I can tell you is, I will defend my guys but you can crap on them all you want. I don't much give a crap and maybe tonight, I'll pour a cold beer in my 2023 CFP Champions mug and hoist one in your honor. And I'll enjoy the hell out of it.


You need to realize ND is a lightning rod program. Kind of like the Cowboys

If you talk to anyone in the nation, you'll get an opinion about ND. They'll either love them, or hate them, but they won't be indifferent

Embrace it and enjoy the debate. Defend your team and your heritage. But understand a lot of people feel differently. Its just football. It isn't life, or death. Once you view it that way you can give and take and still have a couple of laughs.

 

[McKDaddy]

So what? These guys are getting paid to play now. Who cares how many weeks they have to play?

The NFL doesn't care about college football. They dwarf college football. The Cowboys alone routinely draw more viewers than the CFP final. Its very different fan bases.

They are still tied to colleges which means their core fan bases are tied to them. Having a season that drags on for another month or so cuts into other activities & waters down the importance of games.

Every sport cares about every other potential competitors for seats in the stands & eyes on the screen. Cannibalizing each other doesn't really serve anyone's best interest.

You may never have realized it but the NFL & college let each other have their moments with as little overlap as possible. For example, first week of college being before the first full week of NFL. Conference championship games not competing with Saturday NFL games, CFP games not being played on Sunday, etc..

We are on a pro sports site talking about college. Football fans are football fans so the overlap is huge.

 

[atlantacowboy]

They are still tied to colleges which means their core fan bases are tied to them. Having a season that drags on for another month or so cuts into other activities & waters down the importance of games.

Every sport cares about every other potential competitors for seats in the stands & eyes on the screen. Cannibalizing each other doesn't really serve anyone's best interest.

You may never have realized it but the NFL & college let each other have their moments with as little overlap as possible. For example, first week of college being before the first full week of NFL. Conference championship games not competing with Saturday NFL games, CFP games not being played on Sunday, etc..

We are on a pro sports site talking about college. Football fans are football fans so the overlap is huge.

The NFL and college have ALWAYS played concurrently. If they can coexist Sept-Nov, they can figure it out December through janaury. I'm not worried about that at all.

The playoff has grown the college football audience and thats is why it continues to expand. JMU-Oregon would draw nothing in the old system playing in a meaningless bowl. But make that game a playoff and the interest goes from just the fan bases to a game of national interest. I suspect they aren't done expanding. The argument that it "waters down" anything is baseless.

 

[DFWJC]

SMU toying with Arizona

 

[Sydla]

32 teams dumb. Bc you say so? lol


The voting isn't going to change and every person voting has some tie in with a team or conference. Thats the reality and its always going to be like that unless the playoff is expanded so more Big 12 and ACC teams have a shot. The more teams in the playoff, the less personal bias matters in the decision making process.

Expanding to 32 makes a ton of sense and is far more likely to happen than a new voting system.

32 teams is dumb because this isn’t college basketball where a small school can get hot. A team ranked 26th has zero shot at winning a football NC.

16 should be the max.

 

[kskboys]

32 teams is dumb because this isn’t college basketball where a small school can get hot. A team ranked 26th has zero shot at winning a football NC.

16 should be the max.

Maybe, but you're leaving money out of it, and that's the determining factor. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks should be the max, what matters is that the almighty dollar will dictate the number of playoff teams will be in the 20s.

TB and CAR both have zero shot at winning the super bowl, yet one will get in.

 

[kskboys]

They are still tied to colleges which means their core fan bases are tied to them. Having a season that drags on for another month or so cuts into other activities & waters down the importance of games.

Every sport cares about every other potential competitors for seats in the stands & eyes on the screen. Cannibalizing each other doesn't really serve anyone's best interest.

You may never have realized it but the NFL & college let each other have their moments with as little overlap as possible. For example, first week of college being before the first full week of NFL. Conference championship games not competing with Saturday NFL games, CFP games not being played on Sunday, etc..

We are on a pro sports site talking about college. Football fans are football fans so the overlap is huge.

Doesn't have to. Expand to 24 and get rid of those ridiculous championship games. They mean absolutely zero. Playoffs will be done in 5 weeks if you start it right away.

 

[Sydla]

Maybe, but you're leaving money out of it, and that's the determining factor. It doesn't matter what anyone thinks should be the max, what matters is that the almighty dollar will dictate the number of playoff teams will be in the 20s.

TB and CAR both have zero shot at winning the super bowl, yet one will get in.

I know money would drive that but it doesn’t make it any less stupid.

 

[Sydla]

Doesn't have to. Expand to 24 and get rid of those ridiculous championship games. They mean absolutely zero. Playoffs will be done in 5 weeks if you start it right away.

LOL, let’s just have a playoff bracket involving the entire Div 1…….

There is no reason to go beyond 16 in terms of actually fielding a quality playoff to decide a NC.

Anything beyond that is a money grab and that kind of thinking is why this whole thing is a cluster you know what right now.

 

[gtb1943]

Do you realize with your criteria, Notre Dame would only have made the playoffs about 2 times in the past 30+ years? And they wouldn’t have even made it in this year with your criteria.

Cite your proof or shut up

 

[gtb1943]

I believe him

@Robbieac is a pretty straight shooter

Now, whether you agree with him or not is another matter. But he'll tell you exactly how he views a situation, in no uncertain terms. My advice, don't take it so personally

In the Sherrone Moore thread a few weeks ago you were crapping all over Michigan. I'm an alumni and a lifelong Wolverine fan. I didn't agree with your takes but I didn't take it personally. Like I said, I don't blame you. If something like that happened to ND or OSU or Mich State, I'd be laughing like heck as well. Comes with the territory in a rivalry. When Ohio State got slapped around by Miami a couple nights ago, I visited the Eleven Warriors site and experienced some of the most savory schadenfreude I've tasted in quite some time. Laughed my head off reading their misery. Loved every second of it.

You think the Stalions deal was big time news. I don't. Whatever. What I can tell you is, I will defend my guys but you can crap on them all you want. I don't much give a crap and maybe tonight, I'll pour a cold beer in my 2023 CFP Champions mug and hoist one in your honor. And I'll enjoy the hell out of it.


You need to realize ND is a lightning rod program. Kind of like the Cowboys

If you talk to anyone in the nation, you'll get an opinion about ND. They'll either love them, or hate them, but they won't be indifferent

Embrace it and enjoy the debate. Defend your team and your heritage. But understand a lot of people feel differently. Its just football. It isn't life, or death. Once you view it that way you can give and take and still have a couple of laughs.

having read his drivel you have blinders on

 

[DFWJC]

A 16 team playoff that still had top 5 ranked champs in would have looked "something" like this

Indiana vs James Madison
Ohio State vs Tulane
Georgia vs Vanderbilt
Texas Tech vs Texas
Oregon vs BYU
Ole Miss vs Notre Dame
Texas AM vs Miami
Oklahoma vs Alabama


If ACC fixed its scheduling and tie-breakers, then
Utah wouldve replaced JMU

In any case, no team outside of those 16 could seriously say they had a shot at winning 4 straight games vs top teams

 

[DFWJC]

Some other scores today

SMU beat Arizona 24-19
Wake Forest beat Miss St 43-29
Navy beat Cincy 35-13

 

[DFWJC]

Conference Bowl records

Big Ten 9-4 (2 teams left)
ACC 8-4 (1 team left)
American 5-4
CUSA 4-3
Big 12 4-4
Sunbelt 4-6
MAC 2-3
SEC 4-9 (1 team left)
MWC 2-5
Indy 0-1

 

[jterrell]

A 16 team playoff that still had top 5 ranked champs in would have looked "something" like this

Indiana vs James Madison
Ohio State vs Tulane
Georgia vs Vanderbilt
Texas Tech vs Texas
Oregon vs BYU
Ole Miss vs Notre Dame
Texas AM vs Miami
Oklahoma vs Alabama


If ACC fixed its scheduling and tie-breakers, then
Utah wouldve replaced JMU

In any case, no team outside of those 16 could seriously say they had a shot at winning 4 straight games vs top teams

This is clearly the format we should have had and hopefully get for next season.

Top 4 seeds are 1-7 including the SEC champs going 0-2.
R1 Byes are not helping teams AT ALL.
Just too long a lay off.

Bodies can't adjust to speed and physicality of the games going home for holidays and travelling back and forth then to a Bowl site.
Ole Miss obviously benefitted mightily from a home game to adjust to the Lane-less coaching staff before facing Georgia.

 

[jterrell]

The NFL and college have ALWAYS played concurrently. If they can coexist Sept-Nov, they can figure it out December through janaury. I'm not worried about that at all.

The playoff has grown the college football audience and thats is why it continues to expand. JMU-Oregon would draw nothing in the old system playing in a meaningless bowl. But make that game a playoff and the interest goes from just the fan bases to a game of national interest. I suspect they aren't done expanding. The argument that it "waters down" anything is baseless.

The schedule needs to wrap before the 2nd semester starts because you would have a very different football team from one semester to the next.
Portal kids are on campus today!
You can't play the playoffs without half your roster.
And shifting signing later wouldn't help because once school starts, they have to be enrolled or wait til Fall which ZERO coaches support.

To go to a 64-team playoff, they'd need to go back to a 10-game schedule, start week 0 and you'd see 0 non-conference match ups before the playoffs.
And given the size of the conferences now you'd have nearly zero chance of determining your best teams. A lot would depend on which teams got lucky with scheduling like TAMU did this year.

 

[jterrell]

gtb cover your eyes bro, this one is just mean....