CFP thread

jterrell said:
gtb cover your eyes bro, this one is just mean....

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So many saying that nobody will watch the bowl games that are not part of the CFP.

Seems like most of the bowls listed above had more watching the games than ever before. So instead of the viewership following, it has increased.

But the narrative that nobody cares about the other bowls will continue even if it has proven to be false.
 
kskboys said:
Doesn't have to. Expand to 24 and get rid of those ridiculous championship games. They mean absolutely zero. Playoffs will be done in 5 weeks if you start it right away.
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The person I was responding to was wanting 64 teams. There are many things that could be done to make everything better, no argument. But I still maintain:
1) There is a balancing act between league schedules, TV deals, etc., that will ultimately determine what can or can't be done.
2) There is no need for more than 12 teams. There are never 12 teams that have legit shot anyway (at least I can't remember a time). There does need to be a better way to get the most deserving teams into the playoffs though. Letting teams in just because they won crap conferences, etc., isn't the way. Conferences need to be rebalanced or forced interconf games to get a better idea how good teams really are.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
So many saying that nobody will watch the bowl games that are not part of the CFP.

Seems like most of the bowls listed above had more watching the games than ever before. So instead of the viewership following, it has increased.

But the narrative that nobody cares about the other bowls will continue even if it has proven to be false.
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Appetite for college football is huge, and the new expanded CFP system is only increasing that appetite.

WVA appears set to sign the Hawkins brothers out of OU. Michael Hawkins is a likely starting QB.
 
gtb1943 said:
Cite your proof or shut up
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Here’s your proof with ND’s records over the past 30 years. They would have only made the playoffs a few times with your criteria of only allowing 1 loss teams.

1994Lou Holtz6–5L Fiesta†
1995Lou Holtz9–3L Orange†1311
1996Lou Holtz8–32119
Bob Davie (Independent) (1997–2001)
1997Bob Davie7–6LIndependence
1998Bob Davie9–3L Gator2222
1999Bob Davie5–7
2000Bob Davie9–3L Fiesta†1615
2001Bob Davie5–6
Tyrone Willingham (Independent) (2002–2004)
2002Tyrone Willingham10–3L Gator1717
2003Tyrone Willingham5–7
2004Tyrone Willingham[n 1]6–6[n 1]L Insight
Charlie Weis (Independent) (2005–2009)
2005Charlie Weis9–3L Fiesta†119
2006Charlie Weis10–3L Sugar†1917
2007Charlie Weis3–9
2008Charlie Weis7–6W Hawaii
2009Charlie Weis6–6
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2010–2019)
2010Brian Kelly8–5W Sun
2011Brian Kelly8–5L Champs Sports
2012Brian Kelly12–1[n 2]L BCS NCG†34
2013Brian Kelly9–4[n 2]W Pinstripe2420
2014Brian Kelly8–5W Music City
2015Brian Kelly10–3L Fiesta†1211
2016Brian Kelly4–8
2017Brian Kelly10–3W Citrus1111
2018Brian Kelly12–1L Cotton† (CFP Semifinal)55
2019Brian Kelly11–2W Camping World1112
Brian Kelly (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2020)
2020Brian Kelly10–29–01stL Rose† (CFP Semifinal)55
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2021)
2021Brian Kelly[n 3]11–2[n 3]L Fiesta†88
Marcus Freeman (Independent) (2022–present)
2022Marcus Freeman9–4W Gator1818
2023Marcus Freeman10–3W Sun1414
2024Marcus Freeman14–2W CFP First Round†
W Sugar† (CFP Quarterfinal)
W Orange†(CFP Semifinal)
L CFP NCG†		22
2025Marcus Freeman10–2
 
Robbieac said:
Here’s your proof with ND’s records over the past 30 years. They would have only made the playoffs a few times with your criteria of only allowing 1 loss teams.

1994Lou Holtz6–5L Fiesta†
1995Lou Holtz9–3L Orange†1311
1996Lou Holtz8–32119
Bob Davie (Independent) (1997–2001)
1997Bob Davie7–6LIndependence
1998Bob Davie9–3L Gator2222
1999Bob Davie5–7
2000Bob Davie9–3L Fiesta†1615
2001Bob Davie5–6
Tyrone Willingham (Independent) (2002–2004)
2002Tyrone Willingham10–3L Gator1717
2003Tyrone Willingham5–7
2004Tyrone Willingham[n 1]6–6[n 1]L Insight
Charlie Weis (Independent) (2005–2009)
2005Charlie Weis9–3L Fiesta†119
2006Charlie Weis10–3L Sugar†1917
2007Charlie Weis3–9
2008Charlie Weis7–6W Hawaii
2009Charlie Weis6–6
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2010–2019)
2010Brian Kelly8–5W Sun
2011Brian Kelly8–5L Champs Sports
2012Brian Kelly12–1[n 2]L BCS NCG†34
2013Brian Kelly9–4[n 2]W Pinstripe2420
2014Brian Kelly8–5W Music City
2015Brian Kelly10–3L Fiesta†1211
2016Brian Kelly4–8
2017Brian Kelly10–3W Citrus1111
2018Brian Kelly12–1L Cotton† (CFP Semifinal)55
2019Brian Kelly11–2W Camping World1112
Brian Kelly (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2020)
2020Brian Kelly10–29–01stL Rose† (CFP Semifinal)55
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2021)
2021Brian Kelly[n 3]11–2[n 3]L Fiesta†88
Marcus Freeman (Independent) (2022–present)
2022Marcus Freeman9–4W Gator1818
2023Marcus Freeman10–3W Sun1414
2024Marcus Freeman14–2W CFP First Round†
W Sugar† (CFP Quarterfinal)
W Orange†(CFP Semifinal)
L CFP NCG†		22
2025Marcus Freeman10–2
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season record dude not counting bowls
but hey that is how Defense attorneys get the guilty off by twisting facts
 
Robbieac said:
Here’s your proof with ND’s records over the past 30 years. They would have only made the playoffs a few times with your criteria of only allowing 1 loss teams.

1994Lou Holtz6–5L Fiesta†
1995Lou Holtz9–3L Orange†1311
1996Lou Holtz8–32119
Bob Davie (Independent) (1997–2001)
1997Bob Davie7–6LIndependence
1998Bob Davie9–3L Gator2222
1999Bob Davie5–7
2000Bob Davie9–3L Fiesta†1615
2001Bob Davie5–6
Tyrone Willingham (Independent) (2002–2004)
2002Tyrone Willingham10–3L Gator1717
2003Tyrone Willingham5–7
2004Tyrone Willingham[n 1]6–6[n 1]L Insight
Charlie Weis (Independent) (2005–2009)
2005Charlie Weis9–3L Fiesta†119
2006Charlie Weis10–3L Sugar†1917
2007Charlie Weis3–9
2008Charlie Weis7–6W Hawaii
2009Charlie Weis6–6
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2010–2019)
2010Brian Kelly8–5W Sun
2011Brian Kelly8–5L Champs Sports
2012Brian Kelly12–1[n 2]L BCS NCG†34
2013Brian Kelly9–4[n 2]W Pinstripe2420
2014Brian Kelly8–5W Music City
2015Brian Kelly10–3L Fiesta†1211
2016Brian Kelly4–8
2017Brian Kelly10–3W Citrus1111
2018Brian Kelly12–1L Cotton† (CFP Semifinal)55
2019Brian Kelly11–2W Camping World1112
Brian Kelly (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2020)
2020Brian Kelly10–29–01stL Rose† (CFP Semifinal)55
Brian Kelly (Independent) (2021)
2021Brian Kelly[n 3]11–2[n 3]L Fiesta†88
Marcus Freeman (Independent) (2022–present)
2022Marcus Freeman9–4W Gator1818
2023Marcus Freeman10–3W Sun1414
2024Marcus Freeman14–2W CFP First Round†
W Sugar† (CFP Quarterfinal)
W Orange†(CFP Semifinal)
L CFP NCG†		22
2025Marcus Freeman10–2
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and I stand by no more than one loss
if you cannot get enough with only one loss, have a play in between the top 2 loss teams
 
gtb1943 said:
season record dude not counting bowls
but hey that is how Defense attorneys get the guilty off by twisting facts
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and of course if you went 40 years then three of them under Holts would qualify
 
jterrell said:
The schedule needs to wrap before the 2nd semester starts because you would have a very different football team from one semester to the next.
Portal kids are on campus today!
You can't play the playoffs without half your roster.
And shifting signing later wouldn't help because once school starts, they have to be enrolled or wait til Fall which ZERO coaches support.

To go to a 64-team playoff, they'd need to go back to a 10-game schedule, start week 0 and you'd see 0 non-conference match ups before the playoffs.
And given the size of the conferences now you'd have nearly zero chance of determining your best teams. A lot would depend on which teams got lucky with scheduling like TAMU did this year.
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All that portal stuff is evolving and its not going to be the same 5 years from now. We are going to see contracts soon that bind these kids to their current programs for 2-3 years. The school semester is irrelevent. These kids sign up for spring classes long before the fall semester ends. UGA for example starts its second semester classes on Jan 6th. The players simply enroll and then withdraw if they transfer after the playoff. Pushing the CFP final out to the end of January changes nothing.


I'm not advocating 64. I'm just saying they could do it. I think we will see 16 soon.
 
gtb1943 said:
and of course if you went 40 years then three of them under Holts would qualify
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Congratulations… Under your criteria even with 40 years Notre Dame would only made the playoffs about 5-6 times. Whoopty freaking do.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
So many saying that nobody will watch the bowl games that are not part of the CFP.

Seems like most of the bowls listed above had more watching the games than ever before. So instead of the viewership following, it has increased.

But the narrative that nobody cares about the other bowls will continue even if it has proven to be false.
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Do you have any actual facts? I do.

Lets take the Rose Bowl.

2024 CFP semifinal drew 27.2 million veiwers.
2023 non CFP game drew 10.1 million viewers.

You can do that for every single bowl by simply comparing their CFP structure games to years when they were not involved. It is beyond obvious that the CFP games draw way more eyeballs than non-cfp bowl games. So what exactly are you talking about?
 
Robbieac said:
Congratulations… Under your criteria even with 40 years Notre Dame would only made the playoffs about 5-6 times. Whoopty freaking do.
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How many times has Indiana Qualified
Purdue
Kentucky
Tennessee
Nuts even top so called programs like USC?

Alabama and OSU and about half a dozen others are the elite no argument there
But ND has been in the conversation a number of times over the years which makes your claim the horsecrap it is
 
atlantacowboy said:
Do you have any actual facts? I do.

Lets take the Rose Bowl.

2024 CFP semifinal drew 27.2 million veiwers.
2023 non CFP game drew 10.1 million viewers.

You can do that for every single bowl by simply comparing their CFP structure games to years when they were not involved. It is beyond obvious that the CFP games draw way more eyeballs than non-cfp bowl games. So what exactly are you talking about?
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I replied / quoted the post that showed many people watched non cfp bowl games and did so more than last year.

Never said that MORE people would watch non CFP gams vs the CFP games. That might be an argument you are making...but not one that I was making and I was also not replying to you so do not understand the reply to my post that is not addressing you or your argument.

There are many out there who say that nobody wants to watch the non CFP bowl games. Facts are, they are plenty out there that do and the viewership numbers support that.
 
atlantacowboy said:
Do you have any actual facts? I do.

Lets take the Rose Bowl.

2024 CFP semifinal drew 27.2 million veiwers.
2023 non CFP game drew 10.1 million viewers.

You can do that for every single bowl by simply comparing their CFP structure games to years when they were not involved. It is beyond obvious that the CFP games draw way more eyeballs than non-cfp bowl games. So what exactly are you talking about?
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My man, no one said the CFP wouldn't do numbers.
We just said plenty of regular Bowl games are drawing media ratings that make them worth millions of dollars.

The info comes from the same media that owns the CFP so your take is really wild TBH.
 
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