CFP thread

[kskboys]

LOL, let’s just have a playoff bracket involving the entire Div 1…….

There is no reason to go beyond 16 in terms of actually fielding a quality playoff to decide a NC.

Anything beyond that is a money grab and that kind of thinking is why this whole thing is a cluster you know what right now.

Yes there is. MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course it's a money grab. Why do you think more NBA teams make the playoffs than not? Why are there 3 WC teams in the NFL and 4 divisions in each conference? Why is baseball expanding their playoffs?

It's all a money grab. 64 teams in college basketball? Yeah, they did it for integrity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kskboys]

The person I was responding to was wanting 64 teams. There are many things that could be done to make everything better, no argument. But I still maintain:
1) There is a balancing act between league schedules, TV deals, etc., that will ultimately determine what can or can't be done.
2) There is no need for more than 12 teams. There are never 12 teams that have legit shot anyway (at least I can't remember a time). There does need to be a better way to get the most deserving teams into the playoffs though. Letting teams in just because they won crap conferences, etc., isn't the way. Conferences need to be rebalanced or forced interconf games to get a better idea how good teams really are.

Why do people keep leaving money out of the equation? Seriously, the TV money will completely remove the "no need for more than 12 teams."

BTW, I've heard this argument restated over and over since the BCS started expanding from 2. And it doesn't hold water.

 

[kskboys]

I replied / quoted the post that showed many people watched non cfp bowl games and did so more than last year.

Never said that MORE people would watch non CFP gams vs the CFP games. That might be an argument you are making...but not one that I was making and I was also not replying to you so do not understand the reply to my post that is not addressing you or your argument.

There are many out there who say that nobody wants to watch the non CFP bowl games. Facts are, they are plenty out there that do and the viewership numbers support that.

Depends on the bowl game. Sure, MICH/UT will draw a bunch, but what about Podunk St vs SillyWilly U?

 

[McKDaddy]

Why do people keep leaving money out of the equation? Seriously, the TV money will completely remove the "no need for more than 12 teams."

BTW, I've heard this argument restated over and over since the BCS started expanding from 2. And it doesn't hold water.

I'm addressing what is the best way to identify the best teams & determine a true champion on the field.

Yes, I think we all understand that "money" is more important to many of the parties involved than what I'm interested in.

 

[McKDaddy]

Anything beyond that is a money grab and that kind of thinking is why this whole thing is a cluster you know what right now.

It is very possible to kill the Goose that is laying the golden egg.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I replied / quoted the post that showed many people watched non cfp bowl games and did so more than last year.

Never said that MORE people would watch non CFP gams vs the CFP games. That might be an argument you are making...but not one that I was making and I was also not replying to you so do not understand the reply to my post that is not addressing you or your argument.

There are many out there who say that nobody wants to watch the non CFP bowl games. Facts are, they are plenty out there that do and the viewership numbers support that.

Thats a more nuanced argument. Overall, if you are looking at viewership numbers since the CFP began in 2015, the viewership numbers of non-cfp bowls/lower tier bowls have drifted lower.
For example, the Liberty Bowl in Memphis has been around forever and is one the most watched non CFP bowls. In the CFP era , Its viewers peaked in 2015 with 7M viewers (Arkansas-Kansas State). The 2024 Liberty Bowl drew only 4.2M viewers which is it second best rating in the CFP era (Texas Tech- Arkansas). But if you only look at year to year, you might see some increases in viewership depending on the teams. The Liberty Bowls boasted an increase from 3.7M to 4.2M viewers from 2023 to 2024.

So, it depends on whether you are looking year to year or at larger trends. The larger trend across all non-CFP bowls is decline.

 

[atlantacowboy]

My man, no one said the CFP wouldn't do numbers.
We just said plenty of regular Bowl games are drawing media ratings that make them worth millions of dollars.

The info comes from the same media that owns the CFP so your take is really wild TBH.

My info comes from Nielson actually. All it takes is a cursory google or chat GPT inquiry to learn the facts. Are their other bowls making money outside the CFP? Sure. Nobody is arguing that the Liberty Bowl is operating in a cash loss position. But the overall trend across all non-CFP bowls since 2015 which is when the CFP began is lower. I'm not sure where the viewership "break even" mark is for the traditional non-CFP bowls but we are getting closer to it as the CFP expands.

Nothing wild about it.

 

[Sydla]

Been reading him for a while. Straight shooter

PS If you think ND was a playoff caliber team this year, might want to check your own blinders....

LOL, ND was absolutely playoff caliber.

I mean if you want to say they were properly left out given the dynamics with the head to head with Miami, for example, that’s fine.

But ND was absolutely playoff caliber and to suggest otherwise is funny.

 

[Sydla]

Yes there is. MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course it's a money grab. Why do you think more NBA teams make the playoffs than not? Why are there 3 WC teams in the NFL and 4 divisions in each conference? Why is baseball expanding their playoffs?

It's all a money grab. 64 teams in college basketball? Yeah, they did it for integrity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But 64 is workable in basketball because you can a couple games in a few days. 64 in football is not.

It’s stunning people actually think that 64 is a legitimate way to do this. Haha.

 

[Sydla]

Why do people keep leaving money out of the equation? Seriously, the TV money will completely remove the "no need for more than 12 teams."

BTW, I've heard this argument restated over and over since the BCS started expanding from 2. And it doesn't hold water.

Because there is a point where it’s not worth the money and there are diminishing returns.

Comparing going from 2 teams to now maybe 16 to going to 64 is wild.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Because there is a point where it’s not worth the money and there are diminishing returns.

Comparing going from 2 teams to now maybe 16 to going to 64 is wild.

And people said the same thing when the playoff expanded to 12. It would take 2 weeks to pair 64 down to 16. Its very doable.

That said, I think we will see16 next and maybe eventually 20-24.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Why do people keep leaving money out of the equation? Seriously, the TV money will completely remove the "no need for more than 12 teams."

BTW, I've heard this argument restated over and over since the BCS started expanding from 2. And it doesn't hold water.

Bingo. The only way these athletic departments can keep raking in the money they need to support all these other sports AND pay players is to add games to the schedule.

What some refuse to see on here is a giant hole in the football season between thankgiving weekend and the first CFP round. The teams with byes have 4 weeks off between games. There is plenty of time to make this playoff much bigger and its only a matter of time. As the money grows, so will the playoff field.

 

[kskboys]

I'm addressing what is the best way to identify the best teams & determine a true champion on the field.

Yes, I think we all understand that "money" is more important to many of the parties involved than what I'm interested in.

Not me. That is simply what drives the number of playoff teams.

The best way would be to split up DIV 1 football. There's no way there should be 133 teams all considered Div 1. Needs to be split up first of all into 2-3 divisions. Hades, call them Div 1A/1B/1C if that will make them happy, whatever.

The lower teams fought their way into Div1 in the first place for money. It's all about money, and when viewed from that perspective it's quite obvious the playoffs will get bigger and bigger. Prolly end somewhere 22-28. Why? Money.

And the best way to ID the best teams is to have a large enough playoff so best team possibilities won't be excluded.

As long as the lesser conferences are included in the same mud pie, it would not make sense to exclude them from the playoffs.

 

[kskboys]

Bingo. The only way these athletic departments can keep raking in the money they need to support all these other sports AND pay players is to add games to the schedule.

What some refuse to see on here is a giant hole in the football season between thankgiving weekend and the first CFP round. The teams with byes have 4 weeks off between games. There is plenty of time to make this playoff much bigger and its only a matter of time. As the money grows, so will the playoff field.

The TV money is already huge, and will be growing heavily.

The difference? James Madison vs ORE drew 7.2 mil, and that was against NFL games.(Which was stupid, BTW). I also saw 4.4 mil, no idea why the numbers are different.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The TV money is already huge, and will be growing heavily.

The difference? James Madison vs ORE drew 7.2 mil, and that was against NFL games.(Which was stupid, BTW). I also saw 4.4 mil, no idea why the numbers are different.

Plus, its James Madison and Oregon. If that was Bama and OU, the numbers would have been much higher even against the NFL. The CFP really shot themselves in the foot financially including no public interest schools like JMU and Tulane.

 

[kskboys]

Plus, its James Madison and Oregon. If that was Bama and OU, the numbers would have been much higher even against the NFL. The CFP really shot themselves in the foot financially including no public interest schools like JMU and Tulane.

Hey, they should have their shot, but if they are to be let in, simply enlarge the playoffs. This isn't rocket science.

 

[kskboys]

Because there is a point where it’s not worth the money and there are diminishing returns.

Comparing going from 2 teams to now maybe 16 to going to 64 is wild.

I doubt that. Playoffs are where the money is at.

Not arguing that 64 is too many, BTW.

 

[DFWJC]

Hey, they should have their shot, but if they are to be let in, simply enlarge the playoffs. This isn't rocket science.

16 works

Though I suspect it'll eventually get even bigger, as some have already mentioned.

 

[Robbieac]

LOL, ND was absolutely playoff caliber.

I mean if you want to say they were properly left out given the dynamics with the head to head with Miami, for example, that’s fine.

But ND was absolutely playoff caliber and to suggest otherwise is funny.

Who did ND beat this year to suggest that they were playoff caliber?

Please respond with facts and not just feelings or personal attacks. Thanks.

 

[kskboys]

Who did ND beat this year to suggest that they were playoff caliber?

Please respond with facts and not just feelings or personal attacks. Thanks.

There were several playoff caliber teams. In no particular order: UT/ND/BYU/Vandy/Utah. Arguments could even be made for MICH/ARI/USC.

W/ only 12 teams picked out of 133, there will be some left out.